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  • onlooker
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-10-05
    • 36572

    #1
    Garbage teams and regular season wins?
    I have seen over the last month or so, posters saying that the Lakers and Celtics (Two teams that come to mind) don't care about regular season wins or loses against garbage teams. The comments usually come after their team looses. Is that basically a cop out for fans, or is this really true?

    Because I find it complete bullshit.
  • Intangible
    SBR Sharp
    • 12-09-09
    • 337

    #2
    Any win or loss affects a team's seeding directly. I have a hard time believing teams don't feel like crap after losses to garbage opponents (easy wins). It's understandable if it's near the end of the regular season and the playoff seeds are pretty much set, since by then coaches may want to rest the starters in preparation for the post-season.

    But right now, every game matters.
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    • lakerboy
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-02-09
      • 94379

      #3
      As a LAker fan i can tell you they tried real hard today but Orlando wanted it more. Also a Laker fan i can tell you the lakers simply dont give there full effort unless they feel like it or have to and if you dont know that by how they have played over the years then its sad. They beat houston in a 7 game series last year and only showed up 2 times. I aint making any cop outs and i dont care how they play in the regular season anyways - as long as they win the title.
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      • LT Profits
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-27-06
        • 90963

        #4
        Well, the Lakers are so arrogant that they don't care about seeding, they feel they could win it all from the five-seed if they had to.
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        • williams22
          Restricted User
          • 09-19-08
          • 6134

          #5
          The Lakers effort in MANY games this year has been pitiful. There are too many good teams in the league right now to just think you can turn it on and off whenever you want. There are at least 6 teams in the league right now that could challenge the Lakers in a 7 game series.

          Also, not only are the Lakers arrogant in how they play, they were arrogant in how they didn't make any moves at the trade deadline. They have a huge problem at PG and are 8 guys deep at best, yet they refused to take on more cap to bring in a guy like Hinrich who would have made that 9 deep and helped sure up the PG slot.
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          • biker1284
            SBR High Roller
            • 01-05-10
            • 184

            #6
            It's a long season, some times guys take it easy when playing an easy competitor, especially in the middle of the season.
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            • obamaismyuncle
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-31-08
              • 17801

              #7
              Originally posted by williams22
              The Lakers effort in MANY games this year has been pitiful. There are too many good teams in the league right now to just think you can turn it on and off whenever you want. There are at least 6 teams in the league right now that could challenge the Lakers in a 7 game series.

              Also, not only are the Lakers arrogant in how they play, they were arrogant in how they didn't make any moves at the trade deadline. They have a huge problem at PG and are 8 guys deep at best, yet they refused to take on more cap to bring in a guy like Hinrich who would have made that 9 deep and helped sure up the PG slot.

              Well the Lakers must be pretty good because even after all the flaws you listed, they will still win it all again this year. Who can beat them? Boston? Cleveland? Denver? Utah? The answers are: Not a chance, not a chance, not a chance, and not a chance.
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              • williams22
                Restricted User
                • 09-19-08
                • 6134

                #8
                Originally posted by obamaismyuncle
                Well the Lakers must be pretty good because even after all the flaws you listed, they will still win it all again this year. Who can beat them? Boston? Cleveland? Denver? Utah? The answers are: Not a chance, not a chance, not a chance, and not a chance.
                Boston - No.

                However, Cleveland, Orlando, Denver, Dallas, and Utah could all cause serious problems for the Lakers. Cleveland dominated the Lakers in LA and beat them at home without their 2nd leading scorer. Orlando dominated the Lakers far more than the score showed today. It's this complacent attitude that could get them in trouble and it all stems from Phil and Kobe.
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                • LT Profits
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-27-06
                  • 90963

                  #9
                  Originally posted by obamaismyuncle
                  Well the Lakers must be pretty good because even after all the flaws you listed, they will still win it all again this year. Who can beat them? Boston? Cleveland? Denver? Utah? The answers are: Not a chance, not a chance, not a chance, and not a chance.
                  Oh don't get me wrong, they are probably still the best team.......when they want to be!

                  The second half of that sentence is my whole point.
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                  • Wilforth
                    Restricted User
                    • 05-10-08
                    • 16309

                    #10
                    Talking about teams that could cause problems for the Lakers, take out the Celtics and Jazz from the equation.
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                    • jmiezie
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 02-12-09
                      • 312

                      #11
                      when u play 82 games a season and u won the NBA Finals, obviously its hard to get up for a game against the Bobcats.. Im speaking of the lakers obviously.. I just feel its hard to play at a high level being a top calibur team because trust me these players know the "Favorites" of games and that shit goes a long way in how they play.. I can only speak for the Lakers, and I just feel the only games that count are in a 7 game series. Kobe tries to motivate his team in many ways through team meetings and also the media. When you are a target for the rest of the league it is hard to compete on a nightly basis.
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                      • williams22
                        Restricted User
                        • 09-19-08
                        • 6134

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jmiezie
                        when u play 82 games a season and u won the NBA Finals, obviously its hard to get up for a game against the Bobcats.. Im speaking of the lakers obviously.. I just feel its hard to play at a high level being a top calibur team because trust me these players know the "Favorites" of games and that shit goes a long way in how they play.. I can only speak for the Lakers, and I just feel the only games that count are in a 7 game series. Kobe tries to motivate his team in many ways through team meetings and also the media. When you are a target for the rest of the league it is hard to compete on a nightly basis.
                        Yet teams like the Cavs and Magic seem to be able to do it despite being even larger favorite in most games?

                        Kobe does an absolutely shitty job of motivating his team. Kobe doesn't know how to motivate, only how to criticize. The two are not synonymous. The Lakers played their most inspired ball all season when Kobe was out.
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                        • obamaismyuncle
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-31-08
                          • 17801

                          #13
                          Originally posted by williams22
                          Boston - No.

                          However, Cleveland, Orlando, Denver, Dallas, and Utah could all cause serious problems for the Lakers. Cleveland dominated the Lakers in LA and beat them at home without their 2nd leading scorer. Orlando dominated the Lakers far more than the score showed today. It's this complacent attitude that could get them in trouble and it all stems from Phil and Kobe.
                          Phil has 10 rings as a coach, and Kobe has 4 rings as a player. Doubt you will see a "complacent attitude" come playoff time. Cleveland needs to worry about getting by Orlando before worrying about the Lakers in the playoffs.
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                          • jmiezie
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 02-12-09
                            • 312

                            #14
                            Originally posted by williams22
                            Yet teams like the Cavs and Magic seem to be able to do it despite being even larger favorite in most games?


                            Have they won a championship? I agree with your statement, but neither of these teams have the championship. If LBJ or D-Howard can motivate his team for multiple rings than we can discuss this. Right now Kobe has 4 and LBJ lost to the magic, and the Magic lost in 5 to the Lakers. Right now the Lakers are hunted. Everyone plays their best game. Is that a excuse? Hell no, but when u are the defending champions u get everyones best game every night. Come a 7 game series, Coaching plays a huge part and I will take Phil Jackson over any coach in the league currently.
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                            • Jive
                              SBR MVP
                              • 02-10-10
                              • 1405

                              #15
                              A lot of good teams play better against other good teams than against average and poor teams (Denver tonight being a great example). I've heard commentators (particularly the TNT guys) say many times that good teams want to send messages to other good teams that they may meet in the playoffs, and take those games more seriously. So I think there is some truth in the premise.
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                              • broananik
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 12-09-09
                                • 51

                                #16
                                Lakers are still the team to beat. And this is coming from a Magic fan. Until they are officially dethroned Lakers are still the favorite
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                                • obamaismyuncle
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-31-08
                                  • 17801

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by broananik
                                  Lakers are still the team to beat. And this is coming from a Magic fan. Until they are officially dethroned Lakers are still the favorite
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                                  • Foals
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 01-20-10
                                    • 857

                                    #18
                                    I still think that the Artest "trade" was a pretty bad idea for the Lakers. Ariza was a perfect fit for the Lakers - an athletic wing who didn't need the ball in order to be effective on the offensive end. They could have kept Ariza and gotten a point guard because Fisher hasn't been anything but a spot up 3 pt shooter these days, far from the defensive PG that he was during the threepeat championship run.
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                                    • Wilforth
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 05-10-08
                                      • 16309

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by broananik
                                      Lakers are still the team to beat. And this is coming from a Magic fan. Until they are officially dethroned Lakers are still the favorite
                                      If Denver could have their heads screwed up well, they can dethrone LAL
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                                      • williams22
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 09-19-08
                                        • 6134

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Foals
                                        I still think that the Artest "trade" was a pretty bad idea for the Lakers. Ariza was a perfect fit for the Lakers - an athletic wing who didn't need the ball in order to be effective on the offensive end. They could have kept Ariza and gotten a point guard because Fisher hasn't been anything but a spot up 3 pt shooter these days, far from the defensive PG that he was during the threepeat championship run.
                                        Artest is there to guard Lebron, period. Just like the Cavs got Shaq to guard Dwight Howard.
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                                        • Wilforth
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 05-10-08
                                          • 16309

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by williams22
                                          Artest is there to guard Lebron, period. Just like the Cavs got Shaq to guard Dwight Howard.
                                          But is it worth it?
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                                          • williams22
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 09-19-08
                                            • 6134

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Wilforth
                                            But is it worth it?
                                            For this year alone, probably. Obviously Ariza would have been better going forward. LA's problems right now have nothing to do with Artest though. The ball just does not move much in their offense against top teams and they don't get enough easy baskets.
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                                            • Wilforth
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 05-10-08
                                              • 16309

                                              #23
                                              LAL need a more effective PG.
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                                              • jmiezie
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 02-12-09
                                                • 312

                                                #24
                                                I would of loved to have Ariza but he wanted too much cash.. Artest is doing all he can to get quicker, and come Playoff time I think he will be a huge factor. Guy is committed to winning and I love that. If he cuts out the parting for playoff time we will be OK!
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                                                • bigiam
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 02-27-10
                                                  • 22

                                                  #25
                                                  garbage
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