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  • Pride>UFC
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    • 11-09-09
    • 1013

    #1
    Shaq: The greatest underachiever of our time...
    Talk about a guy with no work ethic...this guy should have like 10 rings but was only able to lead his team to 3 rings. And don't tell me he has 4 because he may as well have been a backup with the Heat.

    Wade and Bennett Salvatore were the MVPs when the Heat won it all and fat Shaq couldn't even keep his fat out of shape ass in the game seeing as how Mourning had better stats in the finals.

    He's fallen off so hard the last 5 years it's not even funny. He destroyed the Lakers and blamed it on Kobe even though it was his lack of work ethic and inability to stay in shape during the regular season that annoyed Kobe so much. He then ruined the Heat... when he left, Wade, and Riles were not on good terms with the fat man.

    He then made an exciting, fast scoring team a fat, slow, disaster of a team as the Suns failed to make the playoffs last year. Then he stole Nash's idea for a TV show, and now he's ruining the Cavs. Gee I wonder if things will end well in Cleveland with fat Shaq...the team is obviosly much worse with him as they're plus 5 with him in the game and with big Z they're like +100. what a joke...
  • williams22
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    • 09-19-08
    • 6134

    #2
    You have a very narrow view of the NBA. Shaq wasn't brought to Cleveland for the regular season. Did you see the game against Orlando? He kept Dwight Howard in foul trouble all game, that's what he was brought it to do.

    Also, if you think he's an underachiever, you clearly never watched him during his prime. No player has EVER been more physically dominant down low. Not only that, but he had the footwork and touch of a man half his weight. If Dwight Howard ever gets half of Shaq's ability in his prime I would be shocked.
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    • lakerboy
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-02-09
      • 94379

      #3
      Originally posted by williams22
      You have a very narrow view of the NBA. Shaq wasn't brought to Cleveland for the regular season. Did you see the game against Orlando? He kept Dwight Howard in foul trouble all game, that's what he was brought it to do.

      Also, if you think he's an underachiever, you clearly never watched him during his prime. No player has EVER been more physically dominant down low. Not only that, but he had the footwork and touch of a man half his weight. If Dwight Howard ever gets half of Shaq's ability in his prime I would be shocked.

      All good points but the reality is that clown Shaq has played in the NBA for over 14 seasons and still couldnt learn how to make free throws. Great players improve every skill during their time. It really is a shame that Shaq didnt have the mindframe to improve that aspect which would ahve made him unstoppable. Imagine if he was a 65% ft shooter. The games wouldnt have been close.
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      • BernardMadoff
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        • 12-12-09
        • 6679

        #4
        Originally posted by Pride>UFC
        Talk about a guy with no work ethic...this guy should have like 10 rings but was only able to lead his team to 3 rings. And don't tell me he has 4 because he may as well have been a backup with the Heat.

        Wade and Bennett Salvatore were the MVPs when the Heat won it all and fat Shaq couldn't even keep his fat out of shape ass in the game seeing as how Mourning had better stats in the finals.

        He's fallen off so hard the last 5 years it's not even funny. He destroyed the Lakers and blamed it on Kobe even though it was his lack of work ethic and inability to stay in shape during the regular season that annoyed Kobe so much. He then ruined the Heat... when he left, Wade, and Riles were not on good terms with the fat man.

        He then made an exciting, fast scoring team a fat, slow, disaster of a team as the Suns failed to make the playoffs last year. Then he stole Nash's idea for a TV show, and now he's ruining the Cavs. Gee I wonder if things will end well in Cleveland with fat Shaq...the team is obviosly much worse with him as they're plus 5 with him in the game and with big Z they're like +100. what a joke...
        You do realize Shaq is almost 38 years old dont you? Its rare a person 7'1 can jog with coordination let alone be able to sprint up and down a court on a nightly basis. In his prime, for his size, he was perhaps the most athletic basketball player in history.
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        • BernardMadoff
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          • 12-12-09
          • 6679

          #5
          Originally posted by lakerboy
          All good points but the reality is that clown Shaq has played in the NBA for over 14 seasons and still couldnt learn how to make free throws. Great players improve every skill during their time. It really is a shame that Shaq didnt have the mindframe to improve that aspect which would ahve made him unstoppable. Imagine if he was a 65% ft shooter. The games wouldnt have been close.
          The basketball is like a grapefruit in Shaq's hands, try shooting a tennis ball from the free throw line consistently, it aint happening. His hands are just too big for the ball for him to shoot with touch, he would have to shoot more from his palms to be effective. Besides many big guys struggled their entire career shooting free throws.
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          • dimon
            SBR MVP
            • 08-14-09
            • 1159

            #6
            you guys go and try to do what he did....if you do not know what this guy went through don't judge...he has 4 rings...without him where did Miam went....oh that's right out in the 1st round...he is most dominant center that still palying...i dare you name one center who is better than him and achive more than Shaq....there is not a one...10 rings....you are crazy....NBA is not what it is used to be...it is totally different...free throws you say...did anyone of you ever stood next to Shaq? did you see how big are his hands...try to make 90% with a tennis ball...then come here and make points about free throws....he is old now, but teams still ready to pay him 20+ mil a year because they know time comes playoff you better have his in your team than play against him
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            • dimon
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              • 08-14-09
              • 1159

              #7
              sorry guys...I just read the first post and rush to answer this dude that Shaq deserve some respect
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              • williams22
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                • 09-19-08
                • 6134

                #8
                Originally posted by lakerboy
                All good points but the reality is that clown Shaq has played in the NBA for over 14 seasons and still couldnt learn how to make free throws. Great players improve every skill during their time. It really is a shame that Shaq didnt have the mindframe to improve that aspect which would ahve made him unstoppable. Imagine if he was a 65% ft shooter. The games wouldnt have been close.
                Certainly a good point but he's not the only pro who has struggled with this either. Here's something most probably don't know: Shaq broke his right wrist when he was a kid and it affects how far he is able to bend his wrist back. Also, as BM mentioned above, the ball is tiny in his hands which makes shooting quite difficult.

                Regardless, in his prime Shaq was the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen in the paint.
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                • lakerboy
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                  • 04-02-09
                  • 94379

                  #9
                  Originally posted by williams22
                  Certainly a good point but he's not the only pro who has struggled with this either. Here's something most probably don't know: Shaq broke his right wrist when he was a kid and it affects how far he is able to bend his wrist back. Also, as BM mentioned above, the ball is tiny in his hands which makes shooting quite difficult.

                  Regardless, in his prime Shaq was the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen in the paint.


                  During his time yes
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                  • KiDBaZkiT
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-20-09
                    • 14962

                    #10
                    Shaq ruined any shot for the Cavs to make it to the NBA finals.
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                    • tsn101
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 01-11-09
                      • 148

                      #11
                      Kobe chucked so they lost in 2003 and he chucked again against Detroit. If it weren't for that the Lakers may have 5 championships. Although the Kings are the rightful champions in 2002. Duncan would also have got his handful of rings to, regardless of Shaq or who ever.

                      Plus, Shaq was great 5 years ago. Everything changed after 2006, but can you blame him, he's played so many minutes for a guy his size. So he's no longer the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen, what have you done on the basketball court?
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                      • dimon
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-14-09
                        • 1159

                        #12
                        among the active players who you put in line with Shaq I wonder...and let's compare center to center...I know he is not where he's been, but come one guys...Cavs did not have a chance in the playoffs if it is not for Shaq...they know it and they made 20 mil dollars bet...yes he is slow, he can't make free throw...but playoff time, we are going to see that he still demand attention down low, and Orlando series will show that
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                        • Durrrr
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-07-09
                          • 1314

                          #13
                          Originally posted by KiDBaZkiT
                          Shaq ruined any shot for the Cavs to make it to the NBA finals.
                          Quoting incase Cavs make fnals.
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                          • stefan084
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-21-09
                            • 1490

                            #14
                            everyone is talking about his prime in which I agree he was great, but he didn't have to work for his athletic ability in his youth. If he still wants to play that's fine but I have to agree w/Pride that he hasn't even tried to stay in shape for years now.He does slow down the teams he is on now and I wouldn't want him on my team either
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                            • dimon
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-14-09
                              • 1159

                              #15
                              what the hell do you know...do you know that his school coach told him one day that he will never play basketball because his feet too big...and he does not have to work in his early years...that total BS, why is that...he was working more than anyone on the LSU team...Coach Dale Brown can tell you the stories how he was first one in the gym and last one out...you guys just can't accept the fact that there are many 7 foot ones out in the world...and not all of them are dominat centers...end of story
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                              • jsmithj88
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                                • 12-27-08
                                • 3591

                                #16
                                Originally posted by dimon
                                what the hell do you know...do you know that his school coach told him one day that he will never play basketball because his feet too big...and he does not have to work in his early years...that total BS, why is that...he was working more than anyone on the LSU team...Coach Dale Brown can tell you the stories how he was first one in the gym and last one out...you guys just can't accept the fact that there are many 7 foot ones out in the world...and not all of them are dominat centers...end of story
                                thats in college dude. do u think shaq is putting in the same hours as he did in college? the problem with shaq now is his weight.
                                u see how skinny he was compared to now?
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                                • KiDBaZkiT
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-20-09
                                  • 14962

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Durrrr
                                  Quoting incase Cavs make fnals.
                                  Who cares? You think I will be devastated if they do? I hope they do I want to see a Kobe vs LeBron finals more than anyone. look at the + and - margins for the Cavs when Shaq is on the court and when he is off, end of story. BTW are you affiliated with nextdurrrr?
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                                  • jsmithj88
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 12-27-08
                                    • 3591

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BernardMadoff
                                    The basketball is like a grapefruit in Shaq's hands, try shooting a tennis ball from the free throw line consistently, it aint happening. His hands are just too big for the ball for him to shoot with touch, he would have to shoot more from his palms to be effective. Besides many big guys struggled their entire career shooting free throws.
                                    i dont buy that at all. there are plenty of centers that can shoot FT's well. why is it that most foriegn players can shoot well but u cant really say that about the american players?
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                                    • Rio DiNero
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                                      • 11-03-08
                                      • 2010

                                      #19
                                      Shaq has better things to do in his free time besides stay in shape, he is busy fighting crime!
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                                      • BernardMadoff
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 12-12-09
                                        • 6679

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jsmithj88
                                        i dont buy that at all. there are plenty of centers that can shoot FT's well. why is it that most foriegn players can shoot well but u cant really say that about the american players?
                                        Show me one with bigger hands than Shaq, again there are many big man who did bad from the line their whole career. Why single out Shaq?
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                                        • jsmithj88
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                                          • 12-27-08
                                          • 3591

                                          #21
                                          the comparison of us mortals shooting a tennis ball is a bad analogy
                                          every1's hand is WAY bigger than the tennis ball shaqs hand is not bigger than a basketball.
                                          we are talking about shaq b/c this thread is about shaq.
                                          im just not understanding why it is that majority of foriegn big men can make FT's and there are a good number of american big men that struggle to get over 50%
                                          i think its prolly due to the fact that there is more of an emphasis on the fundamentals of passing, shooting, defense etc overseas
                                          while here is more about espn, dunks, crossovers, etc
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                                          • BernardMadoff
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-12-09
                                            • 6679

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jsmithj88
                                            the comparison of us mortals shooting a tennis ball is a bad analogy
                                            every1's hand is WAY bigger than the tennis ball shaqs hand is not bigger than a basketball.
                                            we are talking about shaq b/c this thread is about shaq.
                                            im just not understanding why it is that majority of foriegn big men can make FT's and there are a good number of american big men that struggle to get over 50%
                                            i think its prolly due to the fact that there is more of an emphasis on the fundamentals of passing, shooting, defense etc overseas
                                            while here is more about espn, dunks, crossovers, etc
                                            I overemphasized with the tennis ball yea, but many big men have struggled through their whole career. Some guys just dont shoot free throws well, take Bruce Bowen who once led the league in 3 pt percentage and in the same year had the worst free throw percentage.
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                                            • tsn101
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 01-11-09
                                              • 148

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jsmithj88
                                              thats in college dude. do u think shaq is putting in the same hours as he did in college? the problem with shaq now is his weight.
                                              u see how skinny he was compared to now?
                                              His weight? Did you see him play well above expectations last year? He came to Cleveland in shape, thing is he doesn't fit so well yet. Maybe he wont ever, but I'm going to hold off on that.

                                              This is not a weight issue but a guy nearing the end of his career. You can cry about the past but not about the present.
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                                              • TGHMak
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                                                • 02-25-09
                                                • 658

                                                #24
                                                Cavs would be alot better with Shaq coming off the bench and Z starting with James so they can space out the floor for the crab dribble.
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                                                • Pride>UFC
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                                                  • 11-09-09
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                                                  #25
                                                  I love how all the Shaq supporters bring up his college and Laker days...that's a long time ago...

                                                  How long did Shaq's "prime" last? 4 or 5 years?

                                                  How long does a great NBA player's prime last?

                                                  Dwight Howard's gonna be a superstar for the next 8 years while fat Shaq couldn't run up and down the court for more than 5 minutes since 2004...

                                                  Unfortunately, fat Shaq would rather be a cop, make movies like Kazaam and think of new nicknames for himself like Aristotle despite having the worst work ethic any professional athlete has ever had...the man is a clown and a joke.

                                                  Shaq supporters owned!
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                                                  • dimon
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-14-09
                                                    • 1159

                                                    #26
                                                    I will definately would come back in this thread playoffs time...we'll see...I am sure that once again 130th time in his career Shaq will make all his haters to shut up...he did that before and I think he can do this again...merry Xmas everyone...and enjoy the games
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                                                    • dimon
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 08-14-09
                                                      • 1159

                                                      #27
                                                      4-5 years....you are crazy...no more comments
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