Lakers might open roster spot for Delonte West?

Goat Milk · 12-12-12, 01:20 AM

Lakers should grab someone. They really just need a solid pg until Nash gets back. Gasol should come back soon. Gasol is not a scrub.

Everyone is overreacting to LA. Gasol is not some scrub or plug in player and neither is Nash. Those are two of the best white guys in nba history.

TwoWays · 12-12-12, 01:23 AM

These two white guys over the hill. They need to slow down the offense and throw it in to Howard more. Do you need to grab a pg for doing that?

Goat Milk · 12-12-12, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by TwoWays

These two white guys over the hill. They need to slow down the offense and throw it in to Howard more. Do you need to grab a pg for doing that?

People said Nash was over the hill last year. They said it 2 years before that too.

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:24 AM

Gasol is amazing. Name three players who have better post skills than him.. pretty sure its not possible.

Nash will cut these TOs.. the real problem for this team is turning the ball over and the way they turn it over. People keep yapping about transition D.. how is transition O created? Most of the time off turnovers and sometimes off long rebounds. He will also run a fast break. Duhon can't seem to.. don't know why. Morris is the worst PG in the NBA. Mike Brown's only disservice was not sending him to the DLeague all of last season.

TwoWays · 12-12-12, 01:26 AM

Nash is now. He played like it to start the season before getting injured. They just need to slow down and play more half court offense so they don't get torched on transition.

sando · 12-12-12, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by MrVJP

Gasol is amazing. Name three players who have better post skills than him.. pretty sure its not possible.

Nash will cut these TOs.. the real problem for this team is turning the ball over and the way they turn it over. People keep yapping about transition D.. how is transition O created? Most of the time off turnovers and sometimes off long rebounds. He will also run a fast break. Duhon can't seem to.. don't know why. Morris is the worst PG in the NBA. Mike Brown's only disservice was not sending him to the DLeague all of last season.

I can give you 4 players who are better, although I do think Pau has an excellent post game, top 5 for sure. It's mainly because of his ability to finish with either hand and his outstanding passing out of the post. Anyway, four players with superior post skills to Pau Gasol.

Al Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Zack Randolph

Honorable mentions to Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett and Chauncey Billups (yes Chauncey Billups).

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by sando

I can give you 4 players who are better, although I do think Pau has an excellent post game, top 5 for sure. It's mainly because of his ability to finish with either hand and his outstanding passing out of the post. Anyway, four players with superior post skills to Pau Gasol.

Al Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Zack Randolph

Honorable mentions to Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett and Chauncey Billups (yes Chauncey Billups).

I did forget to mention among bigs, didnt I- that is what I mean though. But you forgot LeBron on that list if it were among all players as I implied.
Anyway, among bigs, I disagree. Pau has a better skillset than Al.

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by TwoWays

Nash is now. He played like it to start the season before getting injured. They just need to slow down and play more half court offense so they don't get torched on transition.

Do you watch the games? They have deviated from D'Antoni's offense more than they've run it. They've run this half court post-up thing and they turn the ball over which is why they get torched in transition. Dwight doesn't have that many post moves..

TwoWays · 12-12-12, 01:45 AM

I watch them all the time, over many years. Give the ball to dwight on every posession. Dwight needs to touch the ball on every posession. Stop letting Meta launch three-pointers with 20 ticks on the clock.

sando · 12-12-12, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by MrVJP

I did forget to mention among bigs, didnt I- that is what I mean though. But you forgot LeBron on that list if it were among all players as I implied.
Anyway, among bigs, I disagree. Pau has a better skillset than Al.

Wow I actually have Big Al at the top of my list by a healthy margin. I consider to him to be currently the most dominant post player in the NBA, and yeah ok probably wasn't fair putting Kobe on that list. Also there is no way Lebron is in the same company as the guys we are talking about. Lebron is amazing at many many things but he is not an elite post player, at least not in the same league as the guys we are talking about. Just my opinion.

sando · 12-12-12, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by TwoWays

I watch them all the time, over many years. Give the ball to dwight on every posession. Dwight needs to touch the ball on every posession. Stop letting Meta launch three-pointers with 20 ticks on the clock.

Artest is the least of our problems. He is actually drilling threes this year at 38.5%

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:47 AM

How does that fix the turnovers and rotating on defense? Dwight gets stripped 4-5 times a game. Sometimes he recovers the ball and throws it up because theres no time on the clock and the other times its a TO and free 2 on 0, 3 on 1 fastbreak..

TwoWays · 12-12-12, 01:52 AM

Slow down the game, give the ball to dwight. It's more difficult for turnovers to lead to transition pts if you slow down the game.

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by sando

Wow I actually have Big Al at the top of my list by a healthy margin. I consider to him to be currently the most dominant post player in the NBA, and yeah ok probably wasn't fair putting Kobe on that list. Also there is no way Lebron is in the same company as the guys we are talking about. Lebron is amazing at many many things but he is not an elite post player, at least not in the same league as the guys we are talking about. Just my opinion.

Straight post dominance then yes. I was just speaking of post skills-- moves and passing strictly with back to basket. Big Al is a monster.. that face up jumper abuses everyone. I don't consider it a "post skill" to have a lethal jumper like that even though it happens in the post. LeBron's passing puts him up there. There is no better passer with back to basket. It's more up to the system and coach to utilize them which I feel they don't take advantage of Pau's brilliance enough resulting in his output not looking dominant.

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by TwoWays

Slow down the game, give the ball to dwight. It's more difficult for turnovers to lead to transition pts if you slow down the game.

You keep saying this but they averaged 15.2 last year. This year they have more turnover prone players (with Nash and Blake out). Averaged 18.6 at the start of the season playing at the slowest pace.

Goat Milk · 12-12-12, 01:59 AM

I kind of agree with Sando. Al Jefferson is the best post player I have seen since Shaq (as far as centers go). Sheed was good in his day but Jeff is better overall offensively. He has the faceup game, the hook, just doesn't have the fadeaway though like vintage Sheed or Garnett.

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 02:08 AM

I agree that he is more dominant. It does not mean he has a bigger skillset. Nowitzki is downright unstoppable around the post when he's in the zone. Spin move to the rim or that stepback fadeaway. I don't count him as having better post skills than Gasol but he's way more effective and successful with the moves he has.

play4win · 12-12-12, 02:11 AM

Lmao. Are Lakers trying deliberately make an excuse how bad they are by saying nash is the solution ?
So delutional!

h3da · 12-12-12, 03:14 AM

Firstly get rid of this coach! Then wait for Nash and Gasol to be back! Hire Jackson and we have a contender!

BabyMatrix27 · 12-12-12, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by h3da

Firstly get rid of this coach! Then wait for Nash and Gasol to be back! Hire Jackson and we have a contender!

..... still hoping and dreaming this would happen!

MrVJP · 12-12-12, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by h3da

Firstly get rid of this coach! Then wait for Nash and Gasol to be back! Hire Jackson and we have a contender!

PJax got out coached by SVG in 09, Lakers won because of talent differential. Severely out coached by Doc Rivers in 2010.. Still shocked we won it. And in 2011, Carlisle took him to the woodshed. I'm also probably the only one who thought GK outcoached him in the 2009 WCF.