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**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 07:40 AM

El Jefe Grande scheduled to run on 10/17/2016 in Race 9 at Parx Racing.

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by pabonaparte

Thanks for sharing, harthebar! Much appreciated.

Follow up on private tale. Broke bad yesterday is running himself into shape again

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by harthebar

thanks jbex. very nice....im going to have to really take this in.....wow ..than ask you some questions

Do the math for me. ..make it simple
3 to 1

7 to 1

15 to 1.

8 to 1.

Then reverse the third and fourth place finidhers

**JBEX** · 10-17-16, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by harthebar

Do the math for me. ..make it simple
3 to 1

7 to 1

15 to 1.

8 to 1.

Then reverse the third and fourth place finidhers

$8 winner
$48 exacta
$480 triple
$2400 super

other way
$288 triple
$2000 super

give or take 100-150 super or 50 triples
as doing it off the top of my head

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 10:52 AM

Jbex. I just don't follow. What you doing multiple the 8 winner. By what. Try the math.

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 11:08 AM

So looking back. The winner has 33 % of the pool. Based on a 3 to 1 horse. ...wow. I just can't compute it. .... I remember how they used to do it in Vegas. Winning price. Times half of place price. So winner pays 8. The second horse pays 10 to place
So it would be 8 x5 is 40. Exacta. But how do you get percentage of win poo l. For the winner. Look at tote board. Do the math and now. I have a 40 exacta. The horse that get third is 15 t0 1 pats 5.60 to show. ????

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 11:41 AM

Just a reminder:Ocala Jim is scheduled to run on 10/17/2016 in Race 5 at Monmouth Park.

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 11:44 AM

:The Catamount Kid is scheduled to run on 10/17/2016 in Race 5 at Western Fair Raceway.

:Pence Hanover is scheduled to run on 10/17/2016 in Race 6 at Pocono Downs

r:Celebrity Scandal is scheduled to run on 10/17/2016 in Race 6 at Pocono

**JBEX** · 10-17-16, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

So looking back. The winner has 33 % of the pool. Based on a 3 to 1 horse. ...wow. I just can't compute it. .... I remember how they used to do it in Vegas. Winning price. Times half of place price. So winner pays 8. The second horse pays 10 to place
So it would be 8 x5 is 40. Exacta. But how do you get percentage of win poo l. For the winner. Look at tote board. Do the math and now. I have a 40 exacta. The horse that get third is 15 t0 1 pats 5.60 to show. ????

% = 1/odds +1

15-1...1/15+1 or 1/16 (6%) rounded off..a 15-1 has approximately 6% pool...not sure I can explain it better than the breakdown I did originally..at each stage you are dividing the remaining pool % by odds (converted to %)
and that gives you the multiplie..when you get to triples
you add the remainder after after % taken out of win and exacta...

$8 WINNER (25% pool)(75% remaining)
5-1 2nd (16% pool) 75/16 =4.7 multiplier
$8 × 4.7 =$37 EXACTA
10-1 3rd (9%) 59%/9%=6.5 multiplier
37×6.5 =$240 TRIPLE
8-1 4th (11%) 50%/11%=4.5 multiplier
$240×4.5=$1080 super

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 01:15 PM

So a 3 to 1 shot
1/3+1 =4. And 4 is 25%

I'm sorry. Struggling g
Do the math here
20 to 1
1/20+1=21. I don't see how you get a percentage off that. I better go back to school. Or read the book

**JBEX** · 10-17-16, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

So a 3 to 1 shot
1/3+1 =4. And 4 is 25%

I'm sorry. Struggling g
Do the math here
20 to 1
1/20+1=21. I don't see how you get a percentage off that. I better go back to school. Or read the book

1/21=4.7%

I'm not worried about 10ths of a percent

**harthebar** · 10-17-16, 07:35 PM

Jbex. I know I'm thick headed. 1/21=4.7% but how are you getting 4.7. That's the part I don't get .

Winner isn't always 33% suppose if the winner is 5 to 1 I mean favorite. .show me how you get the 4.7

**harthebar** · 10-18-16, 06:10 AM

Gracious Plenty on 10/18/2016 in Race 3 at Monmouth Park.
:Elroi is scheduled to run on 10/18/2016 in Race 3 at Monmouth Park♡♡♡

**JBEX** · 10-18-16, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by harthebar

Jbex. I know I'm thick headed. 1/21=4.7% but how are you getting 4.7. That's the part I don't get .

Winner isn't always 33% suppose if the winner is 5 to 1 I mean favorite. .show me how you get the 4.7

1÷21=4.7

$12 winner (5-1) 1/5+1 =1/6 =16% pool..84% remains
3-1 2nd (25%) 84%/25% =3.4 multiplier
$41 EXACTA
8-1 3rd (11%) 59%/11%=5.3 multIplier
$217 TRIPLE
12-1 4th (8%) 48%/8%=6 multiplier
$1302 SUPER

you get 59% by subtracting remainder - odds % from previous step (84-25)

you get 48% by subtracting 59 -11

**harthebar** · 10-18-16, 01:25 PM

Ok. I finally got it now jbex. Thsnks. I was missing the divide. There. Looks simple now

**harthebar** · 10-18-16, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Gracious Plenty on 10/18/2016 in Race 3 at Monmouth Park.
:Elroi is scheduled to run on 10/18/2016 in Race 3 at Monmouth Park♡♡♡

Gracious plenty winner 5/2

**harthebar** · 10-19-16, 07:09 AM

Priest N The Rabbi and. River Knight are scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 1 at Belmont.

r

aftar is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 4 at Monmouth

Butler Field is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 6 at Belmont

Beneficial Risk is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 3 at Belmont

Win Four Adalyn is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 8 at Monticello
Lucy's Revenge is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 8 at Keeneland.
Tree Shaker on 10/19/2016 in Race 4 at Belmont.
Captain Kitt scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 3 at Belmont.

Add on. Chocolateicecream. Keeneland. Race 3. Ran 2nd last out agaisnt first time starter. (WHO WILL )Who seemed to be a very nice horse opened 7 to 1 closed at 1/2 won e z. Chocolateicecream. Ran a solid 2nd. Worth a try

**harthebar** · 10-20-16, 07:09 AM

Loves A Fight scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 9 at Belmont

Just a reminder:Rediscover and river echo are scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 5 at Belmont

**harthebar** · 10-20-16, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by harthebar

Priest N The Rabbi and. River Knight are scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 1 at Belmont.

r

aftar is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 4 at Monmouth

Butler Field is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 6 at Belmont

Beneficial Risk is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 3 at Belmont

Win Four Adalyn is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 8 at Monticello
Lucy's Revenge is scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 8 at Keeneland.
Tree Shaker on 10/19/2016 in Race 4 at Belmont.
Captain Kitt scheduled to run on 10/19/2016 in Race 3 at Belmont.

Add on. Chocolateicecream. Keeneland. Race 3. Ran 2nd last out agaisnt first time starter. (WHO WILL )Who seemed to be a very nice horse opened 7 to 1 closed at 1/2 won e z. Chocolateicecream. Ran a solid 2nd. Worth a try

Priest and rabbi 3rd 7 to 1 river knight 2nd 23 to 1
Lucy's revengeance 2nd 3 to 1
Tree Shaker 4th closing 20 to 1 closing. Follow
Chocolateice cream 4th. Jockey was chocking him in back stretch. I'm going to follow up on him ...
Beneficial Risk scr.

**harthebar** · 10-20-16, 11:39 AM

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Breeders cup tournament is there one

**harthebar** · 10-20-16, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Loves A Fight scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 9 at Belmont

Just a reminder:Rediscover and river echo are scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 5 at Belmont

River Echo winner 15.00

**harthebar** · 10-20-16, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Loves A Fight scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 9 at Belmont

Just a reminder:Rediscover and river echo are scheduled to run on 10/20/2016 in Race 5 at Belmont

River Echo winner 15.00
T Loves to fight 2nd. 17 to 1

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 06:48 AM

Heavenly Sun is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 1 at Belmont
Transparent is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 8 at Belmont

Picco Uno is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Belmont

:Shareholder Value is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 6 at Keeneland

Neoclassic is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 8 at Belmont
Djulpan scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Laurel Park
Sea Pebble is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Belmont.
Cardroom Shanni on 10/21/2016 in Race 9 at Belmont.
Holidayincambodia on 10/21/2016 in Race 4 at Santa Anita
:Bettor's Edge is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 6 at Meadowlands.

**TonyP** · 10-21-16, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

River Echo winner 15.00
T Loves to fight 2nd. 17 to 1

T loves to fight was in 1st leg of twin q

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by TonyP

T loves to fight was in 1st leg of twin q

Twin what. ? I didn't catch that tony. Twin Quinella. If so. Where do you play that. He ran a nice race. He ran a nice race. Thught I'd have a nice win.
I'm putting this out there. Like FROSTED. IN B.C.

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 01:29 PM

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**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 01:34 PM

frosted my pick for breeders cup

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Heavenly Sun is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 1 at Belmont
Transparent is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 8 at Belmont

Picco Uno is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Belmont

:Shareholder Value is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 6 at Keeneland

Neoclassic is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 8 at Belmont
Djulpan scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Laurel Park
Sea Pebble is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 7 at Belmont.
Cardroom Shanni on 10/21/2016 in Race 9 at Belmont.
Holidayincambodia on 10/21/2016 in Race 4 at Santa Anita
:Bettor's Edge is scheduled to run on 10/21/2016 in Race 6 at Meadowlands.

Djulpan winner 7.40
Shareholder Value 5.20
Transparent 2nd
Picco Uno 2nd
Cardroom Shanni 3rd
Neoclassic scr.

**JBEX** · 10-21-16, 04:54 PM

kee R7

$6.80 WINNER (28%)
9-2 2nd (72%/18%) 4 multiple
$27 EXACTA
24-1 3rd (54%/4%) 13.5 multiple
$365 TRIPLE ...PAID $868 (238% overlay)

just showing example of triple overlay..there were 4 horses under 5-1 here so for $2 a $48 investment to key in 3rd

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by JBEX

kee R7

$6.80 WINNER (28%)
9-2 2nd (72%/18%) 4 multiple
$27 EXACTA
24-1 3rd (54%/4%) 13.5 multiple
$365 TRIPLE ...PAID $868 (238% overlay)

just showing example of triple overlay..there were 4 horses under 5-1 here so for $2 a $48 investment to key in 3rd

Wow do you find more overlays at certain tracks ....I know that place evangeliNE. Pay very well

**TonyP** · 10-21-16, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Twin what. ? I didn't catch that tony. Twin Quinella. If so. Where do you play that. He ran a nice race. He ran a nice race. Thught I'd have a nice win.
I'm putting this out there. Like FROSTED. IN B.C.

Yes twin quinella
Play it at any stations casino in las vegas i am in sante fe stations everyday

**harthebar** · 10-21-16, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by TonyP

Yes twin quinella
Play it at any stations casino in las vegas i am in sante fe stations everyday

Your in Vegas nice. ....I'm stuck in atlantic city only time I'm in casino. Is poker .....

Any santa anita plays over the weekend

**JBEX** · 10-21-16, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Wow do you find more overlays at certain tracks ....I know that place evangeliNE. Pay very well

not particularly...I don't really care for the smaller tracks cause the pools are too shallow..this a perfect example (not this race..overall) that bet structuring is as important
as handicapping itself...if you have an opinion on double digit odds all the bettor

**TonyP** · 10-21-16, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Your in Vegas nice. ....I'm stuck in atlantic city only time I'm in casino. Is poker .....

Any santa anita plays over the weekend

Might have a few plays

**TonyP** · 10-21-16, 08:32 PM

Is that formula for the exotics in christs book or video