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  • harthebar
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-09-11
    • 15710

    #1856
    be a great game....i was just there .had court side seats...from a friend.....,but it wasnt miami....think new orleans
    Originally posted by mikemca
    Took the day off ...kind of excited I splurged for good seats 76ers game vs Miami tonight
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    • mikemca
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-10-10
      • 10047

      #1857
      Originally posted by harthebar
      be a great game....i was just there .had court side seats...from a friend.....,but it wasnt miami....think new orleans
      That's where I was


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      • mikemca
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 03-10-10
        • 10047

        #1858
        Wade and Bosh

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        • mikemca
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-10-10
          • 10047

          #1859
          In-game

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          • BGboothA
            SBR MVP
            • 08-07-08
            • 4202

            #1860
            Nice seats man.....I hate the NBA and I would go for those kind of seats.
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            • mikemca
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-10-10
              • 10047

              #1861
              Originally posted by BGboothA
              Nice seats man.....I hate the NBA and I would go for those kind of seats.
              Yeah it was a pretty good time and was even a good game.Its much more fun when the sixers are doing good because then the crowd is nuts but they kind of gave up on the year a while ago so I basically just went to see Lebron and Wade.Lebron is pretty amazing to watch as he is just on another level than the whole league.
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              • jason1968
                SBR Rookie
                • 06-15-12
                • 23

                #1862
                Hello Guys


                Anyone fancy much at GP today ?
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                • harthebar
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-09-11
                  • 15710

                  #1863
                  mikemca that shot looks like the seats where i was....i was sitting court side .directly in front of sixers bench....glad you had a great time.....you and ........all the star that played that night .....james wade
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                  • JJJ
                    SBR MVP
                    • 05-03-11
                    • 2610

                    #1864
                    any picks today Mike anything you like?
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                    • mikemca
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-10-10
                      • 10047

                      #1865
                      Originally posted by JJJ
                      any picks today Mike anything you like?
                      Might be a little rusty but wrote this up.



                      Gulfstream 3/15/2013

                      Race 1--A race full of horses going backward in form except for the 3 picks.That being said the trainer of the 9-Sheriff Ira is one of those supertrainers who improve their claims 20 lengths first time out so I try to beat him with extreme caution.
                      8-Large Kaufy 4-1
                      6-Iron Post 4-1
                      4-Congrats Criminal 20-1

                      Race 2
                      --Top choice is purely a value pick as I see her equal to the 2nd choice but is 4x the price.Another "supertrainer" in here with the favorite 2-Dreaming Of Susie so be wary or include .
                      5-Glacken Road 12-1
                      6-Dreamcastle 3-1
                      4-Chippette 15-1

                      Race 3
                      --Hard to get past the favorite here but maybe the 2nd choice has a chance at a huge price.
                      6-Pro D'oro 5-2
                      4-Unshackled Rouge 20-1
                      5-Criolla Linda 10-1

                      Race 4
                      --Really tricky race with a million question marks(How will they run turf to dirt/route to sprint as most are).Just going with connections .
                      7-Unbridled Bear 6-1
                      9-Cruises Creek 6-1
                      5-Mecke Mantle 12-1(Scratched/I guess 8-Xmas Sky 5-2 to replace)

                      Race 5
                      --Hard to go against the 1 herebut maybe taking the blinkers off will relax the 2-Sweet And Lowdown enough to have some left.
                      2-Sweet And Lowdown 6-1
                      1-Mosaicist 5-2
                      6-Diamond D'oro 8-1

                      Race 6
                      --Hate to go back to the well as usually after I get a long shot home I refuse to play it next out but there is just too much uncertainty with just about everyone else except the fave.
                      9-Negrita Tata 8-1
                      4-Arsenal 8-5
                      10-Elissa Greeley 10-1

                      Race 7
                      --Don't think there is much to be made here as Pletcher/Johnny V/First Time Starter = romp.The only interesting horse I can see is the 2-Captain Cook only because Ward does very well moving a horse from Maiden claiming to MSW.Plus if the other firsters aren't fast from the gate the 2 could have a lonely lead but 4-1 isn't really great.
                      2-Captain Cook 4-1
                      6-Zaikov 5-2
                      1-Regiment/1A-Brabbham 3-1

                      Race 8
                      --Both the Mclaughlin runners are pretty interesting here and originally liked the 8 a lot before I saw he had another runner in here in the 3.The 8 figures to improve a lot off the last race and the figure he earned was only a couple points short of the best in here.The 3 has one of the best long shot angles in horse racing going for him(Mclaughlin/Maiden not first start but first turf).So I don't know what to do here but I guess I'll go with the 3 on top because he figures to be more involved from the beginning and it seems you don't want to come from too far back lately.
                      3-Got What 8-1
                      8-Hardest Core 10-1
                      2-Bernie's Best 7-2

                      Raced 9
                      --Tossing between top 2 again here with the first time turf and claim for L Rice and 2nd off the bench for Catalano.Both look good but if the 1 takes to the turf the figures say he has a good shot and is a longer price.
                      1-Bear's Spirit 12-1(Scratched)
                      11-Cathedro 6-1
                      7-Solicitation 8-1
                      10-Dr. Goldfarb 5-1

                      Race 10
                      ---This is the kind of race where you might see a bomb that makes no sense.A cheap maiden claimer where everyone is slow and it doesn't take much for any horse to get brave and win but hard to say who.
                      1-Bird In The Bush 6-1
                      3-Dance Wild 2-1
                      2-My Daughters' Kids 20-1
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                      • daoilman
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 09-02-07
                        • 930

                        #1866
                        Nice write up Mike, lets hope the boys can boot them home in the right order.
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                        • harthebar
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 12-09-11
                          • 15710

                          #1867
                          wow mike did some work.....thanks......
                          COURSER HANOVER is entered on 03/15/13 at Harrah's Philadelphia race 10 post 2
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                          • mikemca
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 03-10-10
                            • 10047

                            #1868
                            I'm not even close so far today.Think I'll see how they bet race 8 but other than that call it a day.
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                            • daoilman
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 09-02-07
                              • 930

                              #1869
                              Originally posted by mikemca


                              Raced 9
                              --Tossing between top 2 again here with the first time turf and claim for L Rice and 2nd off the bench for Catalano.Both look good but if the 1 takes to the turf the figures say he has a good shot and is a longer price.
                              1-Bear's Spirit 12-1(Scratched)
                              11-Cathedro 6-1
                              7-Solicitation 8-1
                              10-Dr. Goldfarb 5-1

                              Race 10
                              ---This is the kind of race where you might see a bomb that makes no sense.A cheap maiden claimer where everyone is slow and it doesn't take much for any horse to get brave and win but hard to say who.
                              1-Bird In The Bush 6-1
                              3-Dance Wild 2-1
                              2-My Daughters' Kids 20-1
                              I part wheeled for a double, 3x3, nice to come alive in the first leg at 6-1, need the 1,2,3 on the end.
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                              • mikemca
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-10-10
                                • 10047

                                #1870
                                Originally posted by mikemca
                                Might be a little rusty but wrote this up.



                                Gulfstream 3/15/2013

                                Race 1--A race full of horses going backward in form except for the 3 picks.That being said the trainer of the 9-Sheriff Ira is one of those supertrainers who improve their claims 20 lengths first time out so I try to beat him with extreme caution.
                                8-Large Kaufy 4-1
                                6-Iron Post 4-1
                                4-Congrats Criminal 20-1

                                Race 2
                                --Top choice is purely a value pick as I see her equal to the 2nd choice but is 4x the price.Another "supertrainer" in here with the favorite 2-Dreaming Of Susie so be wary or include .
                                5-Glacken Road 12-1
                                6-Dreamcastle 3-1
                                4-Chippette 15-1

                                Race 3
                                --Hard to get past the favorite here but maybe the 2nd choice has a chance at a huge price.
                                6-Pro D'oro 5-2
                                4-Unshackled Rouge 20-1
                                5-Criolla Linda 10-1

                                Race 4
                                --Really tricky race with a million question marks(How will they run turf to dirt/route to sprint as most are).Just going with connections .
                                7-Unbridled Bear 6-1
                                9-Cruises Creek 6-1
                                5-Mecke Mantle 12-1(Scratched/I guess 8-Xmas Sky 5-2 to replace)

                                Race 5
                                --Hard to go against the 1 herebut maybe taking the blinkers off will relax the 2-Sweet And Lowdown enough to have some left.
                                2-Sweet And Lowdown 6-1
                                1-Mosaicist 5-2
                                6-Diamond D'oro 8-1

                                Race 6
                                --Hate to go back to the well as usually after I get a long shot home I refuse to play it next out but there is just too much uncertainty with just about everyone else except the fave.
                                9-Negrita Tata 8-1
                                4-Arsenal 8-5
                                10-Elissa Greeley 10-1

                                Race 7
                                --Don't think there is much to be made here as Pletcher/Johnny V/First Time Starter = romp.The only interesting horse I can see is the 2-Captain Cook only because Ward does very well moving a horse from Maiden claiming to MSW.Plus if the other firsters aren't fast from the gate the 2 could have a lonely lead but 4-1 isn't really great.
                                2-Captain Cook 4-1
                                6-Zaikov 5-2
                                1-Regiment/1A-Brabbham 3-1

                                Race 8
                                --Both the Mclaughlin runners are pretty interesting here and originally liked the 8 a lot before I saw he had another runner in here in the 3.The 8 figures to improve a lot off the last race and the figure he earned was only a couple points short of the best in here.The 3 has one of the best long shot angles in horse racing going for him(Mclaughlin/Maiden not first start but first turf).So I don't know what to do here but I guess I'll go with the 3 on top because he figures to be more involved from the beginning and it seems you don't want to come from too far back lately.
                                3-Got What 8-1
                                8-Hardest Core 10-1
                                2-Bernie's Best 7-2

                                Raced 9
                                --Tossing between top 2 again here with the first time turf and claim for L Rice and 2nd off the bench for Catalano.Both look good but if the 1 takes to the turf the figures say he has a good shot and is a longer price.
                                1-Bear's Spirit 12-1(Scratched)
                                11-Cathedro 6-1
                                7-Solicitation 8-1
                                10-Dr. Goldfarb 5-1

                                Race 10
                                ---This is the kind of race where you might see a bomb that makes no sense.A cheap maiden claimer where everyone is slow and it doesn't take much for any horse to get brave and win but hard to say who.
                                1-Bird In The Bush 6-1
                                3-Dance Wild 2-1
                                2-My Daughters' Kids 20-1
                                Looks like I gave up too soon losing a couple dollars.If you played a $2 exacta every race you would have made $122.80 or a whooping $2.80 .Almost a lot more with the 44-1 shot My Daughters' Kids giving up 2nd in the stretch of the 10th or would have been a nice payout even with the chalk 3-Dance Wild on top.
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                                • mikemca
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 03-10-10
                                  • 10047

                                  #1871
                                  Originally posted by daoilman
                                  I part wheeled for a double, 3x3, nice to come alive in the first leg at 6-1, need the 1,2,3 on the end.
                                  That paid pretty good for the fave winning the 10th.Would have been huge with the 2.
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                                  • DDT
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-22-09
                                    • 3757

                                    #1872
                                    Nice DD
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                                    • harthebar
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-09-11
                                      • 15710

                                      #1873
                                      winner paid 11.80
                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                      wow mike did some work.....thanks......
                                      COURSER HANOVER is entered on 03/15/13 at Harrah's Philadelphia race 10 post 2
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                                      • harthebar
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 12-09-11
                                        • 15710

                                        #1874
                                        I SCOOT SAM is entered on 03/15/13 at Maywood Park race 9 post 6
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                                        • harthebar
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 12-09-11
                                          • 15710

                                          #1875
                                          RAN A HARD CLOSING 2ND LAST NIGHT ...EXACTA PAID 20.00 HOPE TODAY IS A GOOD DAY......I HAVE A GOOD FEELING FOR MIKEMCA TODAY RIGHT MIKEMCA
                                          Originally posted by harthebar
                                          I SCOOT SAM is entered on 03/15/13 at Maywood Park race 9 post 6
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                                          • harthebar
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-09-11
                                            • 15710

                                            #1876
                                            Duke of the City is entered to run on March 17, 2013, at GULFSTREAM PARK RACE 7 TOMORROW GUYS
                                            .Den's Legacy,OXBOW AND SUPER NINTY NINE is entered to run on March 16, 2013, at OAKLAWN PARK RACE 10 OXBOW COMING BACK ON SHORT REST
                                            Same Cross is entered on March 16, 2013 at FAIR GROUNDS. RACE 8 POST 5
                                            Medium of Exchange,....Magic Union
                                            Grit and Grace
                                            is entered to run on March 17, 2013, at OAKLAWN PARK. RACE 7
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                                            FOREST VIC A is entered on 03/16/13 at Yonkers Raceway RACE 1 POAT 3 WAS REAL GOOD LAST WEEK ...GOT SHUFFLED BACK


                                            IN MINT CONDITION
                                            is entered on 03/16/13 at Meadowlands
                                            Sire:
                                            ALLAMERICAN NATIVE Dam: CANDY STRIPES

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                                            Pace Past Performances (PDF) $3.00 - View samples & registerRace #: 13 Program #: 7 Post Position: 7 M/L Odds: 10/1
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                                            • mikemca
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-10-10
                                              • 10047

                                              #1877
                                              Yes its gonna be a good day
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                                              • JJJ
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 05-03-11
                                                • 2610

                                                #1878
                                                any picks today Mike or anything that stands out?
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                                                • mikemca
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 03-10-10
                                                  • 10047

                                                  #1879
                                                  Originally posted by JJJ
                                                  any picks today Mike or anything that stands out?
                                                  Wrote this for Oaklawn


                                                  Rebel

                                                  1-Carve 15-1--At the price it doesn't take much to make this one interesting and figures say he is open to further improvement.Still wary though because Al Stall is in the top 5% of trainers and he debut this one in a 30k maiden claimer where Asmussen claimed him.Has to be some question marks somewhere but think the positives slightly outweigh the negatives.

                                                  2-Treasury Bill 5-1--Was hoping this one would be a little higher in odds as his figs say he is going to love a route of ground and when Ellis puts his stock in a graded stake he/she is usually live.Even though he looks like a come from way off the pace type he figures to be much closer after running sprint splits .The only negative is his price.

                                                  3-Texas Bling 30-1--Was going in a competitive direction until last race and had no excuse.If you want to say hated the mud then 3rd or 4th is realistic.

                                                  4-Delhomme 7-2--Highly skeptical of this guy.Looks like everyone had the Remsen over rated where he earned his best number.Seems like an afterthought to Pletcher behind all his other good 3 year olds. Even with a slight adjustment he is still as good as anyone in here but the fave who is hung out wide.Think what you decide to do with this one ultimately will make or break the race.

                                                  5-Hardrock Eleven 50-1--Should stay in his stall as in his 7 career races none are within 20 points of competitive.Might have a future on turf though.

                                                  6-Den's Legacy 8-1--The "other" Baffert usually surprises quite often meaning when Baffert has two uncoupled entries the longer odds horse has a higher ROI than the well backed stablemate.Has done little wrong but I think we have seen his best and unless several in here fail to show up it is probably only good for a spot underneath again.

                                                  7-Will Take Charge 15-1--This guy is just another one that Lukas over rated trying desperately to be relevant again.He vs Texas Bling is a good prop bet.

                                                  8-Stormy Holiday 30-1--Is short of competitive but if things break right think there is value in the bottom slots of super.

                                                  1A-Title Contender 5-1--If I had to guess I'd say Gary & Mary West put this one in here to ensure a fast pace for Treasury Bill.Will be in the Tri until the stretch.

                                                  9-Oxbow 4-1--Improving every race with a big figures last two that make him a top 3 contender.The trouble is he hasn't shown any ability to rate and this looks to be the fastest route pace he has been in.

                                                  10-Super Ninety Nine 3-2--I just don't see how this one doesn't run well.Hasn't missed a tick in Baffert's plan for him and even with the bad post he has shown the ability to rate so maybe he tucks in right behind all the speed.Baffert has 14 wins with 21 starters at Oaklawn and pretty sure some of his losses were because he had 2 in the race and the other won.


                                                  Plenty of ways to play this , If just looking for a win bet I'd hope for Treasury Bill to drift a bit and play him at 6-1 or more.In the exotics I think you have to try and beat either Delhomme or Oxbow.

                                                  1,10/1,9,10/1,2,3,4,6,8,9,10/1,2,3,4,6,8,9,10=$12
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                                                  • mikemca
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 03-10-10
                                                    • 10047

                                                    #1880
                                                    Gulfstream Race 5---Might just be a stab 6-Killin Them Softly 8-1 but Wildcat Heir usually gets some improvement when his offspring get moved to turf for the first time and if that happens this one can win.
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                                                    • JJJ
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 05-03-11
                                                      • 2610

                                                      #1881
                                                      Originally posted by mikemca
                                                      Gulfstream Race 5---Might just be a stab 6-Killin Them Softly 8-1 but Wildcat Heir usually gets some improvement when his offspring get moved to turf for the first time and if that happens this one can win.
                                                      you mean race 6 at GP
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                                                      • mikemca
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-10-10
                                                        • 10047

                                                        #1882
                                                        Originally posted by JJJ
                                                        you mean race 6 at GP

                                                        Yeah sry.He won an objection and got moved up to 4th.Was up on a sub .21 pace and ran OK all things considered.
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                                                        • harthebar
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-09-11
                                                          • 15710

                                                          #1883
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ID:	29118914 now the question is how do you over come this.....look at the results.......so the results wee 50.00 20.00 58.00 and i had 4 horses going into last leg the lowest payout for me was 25000 for .50 cent...and the 2 in the last race was flying lost by a lenth that was paying as you can see below 71289.20
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                                                          • harthebar
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 12-09-11
                                                            • 15710

                                                            #1884
                                                            Results: 1/1/7/*

                                                            • 1
                                                            • $249,512.20

                                                            • 2
                                                            • $71,289.20

                                                            • 3
                                                            • -

                                                            • 4
                                                            • -

                                                            • 5
                                                            • $30,849.60

                                                            • 6
                                                            • $69,540.70


                                                            • 7
                                                            • $27,191.80

                                                            • 8
                                                            • $83,170.70

                                                            • 9
                                                            • $62,691.50

                                                            • 10
                                                            • $26,264.40

                                                            • 11
                                                            • $49,902.40
                                                              Originally posted by harthebar
                                                              [ATTACH]54900[/ATTACH] now the question is how do you over come this.....look at the results.......
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                                                            • harthebar
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 12-09-11
                                                              • 15710

                                                              #1885
                                                              dens legacy finished third and if you see my other post with ticket....dont get sick...forest vic 2nd mint condition 1st 21.40
                                                              Originally posted by harthebar
                                                              Duke of the City is entered to run on March 17, 2013, at GULFSTREAM PARK RACE 7 TOMORROW GUYS
                                                              .Den's Legacy,OXBOW AND SUPER NINTY NINE is entered to run on March 16, 2013, at OAKLAWN PARK RACE 10 OXBOW COMING BACK ON SHORT REST
                                                              Same Cross is entered on March 16, 2013 at FAIR GROUNDS. RACE 8 POST 5
                                                              Medium of Exchange,....Magic Union
                                                              Grit and Grace
                                                              is entered to run on March 17, 2013, at OAKLAWN PARK. RACE 7
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                                                              FOREST VIC A is entered on 03/16/13 at Yonkers Raceway RACE 1 POAT 3 WAS REAL GOOD LAST WEEK ...GOT SHUFFLED BACK


                                                              IN MINT CONDITION
                                                              is entered on 03/16/13 at Meadowlands
                                                              Sire:
                                                              ALLAMERICAN NATIVE Dam: CANDY STRIPES

                                                              Condensed or 10-line race program (PDF) $1.50 - View samples & register
                                                              Condensed or 12-line platinum past performances (PDF) $2.50 - View samples & register
                                                              Pace Past Performances (PDF) $3.00 - View samples & registerRace #: 13 Program #: 7 Post Position: 7 M/L Odds: 10/1
                                                              note medium exchange is tomorrow with the other two





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                                                              • Rimmo
                                                                SBR Rookie
                                                                • 05-09-10
                                                                • 7

                                                                #1886
                                                                Sorry to see that, brother - I have had some bad beats myself.
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                                                                • daoilman
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 09-02-07
                                                                  • 930

                                                                  #1887
                                                                  Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                  [ATTACH]54900[/ATTACH] now the question is how do you over come this.....look at the results.......so the results wee 50.00 20.00 58.00 and i had 4 horses going into last leg the lowest payout for me was 25000 for .50 cent...and the 2 in the last race was flying lost by a lenth that was paying as you can see below 71289.20
                                                                  What would the calculated cost have been for an all button on the end?

                                                                  I ask the above because I have a friend who plays pick 4's and he uses all buttons in uncertain races, his logic is simple, he says that when he is uncertain he plays all because he wants the unplayable longshot to win, thus delivering a larger prize.

                                                                  I am not saying that you had uncertainty with any particular race in the sequence, I have no way of knowing your mindset as you structured your bet, but dependent on the field size of the races involved it may be upon conditions prudent to sometimes wheel entire races.

                                                                  Of note, the friend I speak of also applies the same logic to his superfecta wagers with regards towards 2nd, 3rd and 4th finish positions, he does this most often when he likes something long on top and he has some sort of key under, again, he says that any horse in the field can be 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

                                                                  His typical pick 4 might look something like (1,2 with 1,2,3 with 2 with ALL), and his super might look like (1 with 2 with ALL with ALL) he also hedges his supers sometimes with the second ticket (1 with ALL with 2 with ALL).

                                                                  I have personally seen this guy hit some very large payouts, conversely I have also seen him blow his roll, as with all speculation, it is a double edged sword, it cuts in both directions.
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                                                                  • JJJ
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 05-03-11
                                                                    • 2610

                                                                    #1888
                                                                    any picks today mike thinking about heading out to Gulfstream
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                                                                    • harthebar
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 12-09-11
                                                                      • 15710

                                                                      #1889
                                                                      it would of cost 6.oo per horse to add ..........basically you just multiply the numbers .....than divide by 2 since its a .50 cent for example 2x3x4x8 +192 divide 2 96......i generally dont get into the all the ticket felt right.....even the 1 in the first leg ...ihad a reason....his first race was with oxbow........ it was a bad beat...the horse that won was 8-1 in the book.........and opened as the favorite in all pools.....yea i could of it a few more numbers.....but we can say that about all races..........now i undrstand that in a tri 6-4-all 6-all-4 i would do that......it just sucked .........
                                                                      Originally posted by daoilman
                                                                      What would the calculated cost have been for an all button on the end?

                                                                      I ask the above because I have a friend who plays pick 4's and he uses all buttons in uncertain races, his logic is simple, he says that when he is uncertain he plays all because he wants the unplayable longshot to win, thus delivering a larger prize.

                                                                      I am not saying that you had uncertainty with any particular race in the sequence, I have no way of knowing your mindset as you structured your bet, but dependent on the field size of the races involved it may be upon conditions prudent to sometimes wheel entire races.

                                                                      Of note, the friend I speak of also applies the same logic to his superfecta wagers with regards towards 2nd, 3rd and 4th finish positions, he does this most often when he likes something long on top and he has some sort of key under, again, he says that any horse in the field can be 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

                                                                      His typical pick 4 might look something like (1,2 with 1,2,3 with 2 with ALL), and his super might look like (1 with 2 with ALL with ALL) he also hedges his supers sometimes with the second ticket (1 with ALL with 2 with ALL).

                                                                      I have personally seen this guy hit some very large payouts, conversely I have also seen him blow his roll, as with all speculation, it is a double edged sword, it cuts in both directions.
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                                                                      • harthebar
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                                                                        • 12-09-11
                                                                        • 15710

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                                                                        live racing in fla. sounds great......wish i was there......you like anything.?
                                                                        Originally posted by JJJ
                                                                        any picks today mike thinking about heading out to Gulfstream
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