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  • batt33
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-23-16
    • 5981

    #7771
    Originally posted by str
    On a rather somber morning in this sometimes crazy place we call the United States, I was all set to post about an old racetrack friend of mine that I found out just passed away. I thought about it and then realized that today might be exactly the right day to tell you about him.

    In 1976, I started my career as a trainer. Beyond young, another"young" trainer started when I did. He was 13 years older than me but young in the trainers group in Md. His name was Hank Allen.

    Having never known the man, I sure did know his name. He played professional baseball, centerfield, for the Washington Senators in the mid to late 60's. I used to go to a lot of day games back then. So of course I knew the name from then.

    I started with horses at Pimlico but moved to Bowie for the summer meeting. There, I met Mr. Allen and told him I watched him play when I was younger. Insread of blowing me off, he started asking me questions about that time so of course I asked questions back. We got to be friends pretty quickly while seeing each other a few times passing back and forth to the 3/4 pole gap and watching our horses train.
    Do remember that this was the mid 70's. A young black new trainer? No easy task for him to climb that mountain. What stood out to me was how he went about doing it. He was the epitome of class, grace, kindness and had an infectious laugh and smile. Always in a good mood and always asking how things were going. He was such a nice man.
    He stayed at Bowie year round and I moved around with each meet so there were periods of time when I did not cross paths with him much. But we always waved or said hi if we saw each other at one of the other tracks.

    I loved Bowie ! I'm sure I have said that in here before, but Hank was probably one of the reasons I did. In a time when race had, and still was, a hot topic with everyone seemingly having a strong opinion, with us, it never came up. I think I can speak for him and say that we never gave a damn about race. We just liked each other.

    I would ask him about the old Senators but I could tell that when he talked about it, something was just not quite comfortable. Never found out what that was because I did not press the issue once I realized that. But again, always upbeat, always had that smile.

    His brother came to work with him at Bowie after a year or two. His name was Ritchie Allen. Yeah, THAT Richie Allen from the Phillies. He was nice as well but reserved and kind of quiet. Not nearly as outgoing as Hank.

    Our frienship stayed for as long as we did at the track. Hank retired about 1998. I left 3 years later. I never saw Hank again after that but I will always hold close his friendship, smile, laugh, and upbeat attitude. He taught me alot. Not about horses, about people, about life, and about how you should act. I needed that in my early 20's and I'm not sure he knew that I did. But now that I think about it a minute, he most likely did. Hank knew alot more than he let on. A pretty darn good horseman no doubt. But as for person, he was hard to top. One heck of a guy. One heck of a gentleman.

    In his career, Hank won 286 races with 298 seconds and earnings of 3.64 million. His best horse was Northern Wolf who won the very 1st running of the Frank DeFrancis Dash in 1990 and set a track record at Pimlico at 1:09 Flat.

    Rest In Peace Harold " Hank" Allen. You played a helluva game sir.
    Thanks STR...Great story
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    • batt33
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 12-23-16
      • 5981

      #7772
      A couple of updates
      [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report[/COLOR]https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...0894937226.mp4
      Straight No Chaser breezed a solo half mile in :48.80 this morning at Santa Anita Park. Following a serious company drill last week, this week’s work was nothing more than maintenance. He will have his final breeze in preparation next Saturday over the Del Mar main track in preparation for the G1 Bing Crosby on July 27th.

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      • batt33
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 12-23-16
        • 5981

        #7773
        [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Real Savvy Workout Report

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        https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5306_1720897324445/MP4/IMG5306_1720897324445.mp4
        Real
        Savvy breezed a half mile from the gate in :49.95 over the Oklahoma training track this morning at Saratoga. Your 2-year-old ridgling worked in company with stablemate Escapades (homebred by Into Mischief).
        Trainer Christophe Clement provided the update above noting Joel Rosario was aboard your son of Authentic and everything went well. As you will see in the video Real Savvy is visually becoming very fit-looking and we would expect it won’t be too long before we begin considering a potential race target.
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        • JBEX
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-02-12
          • 23179

          #7774
          sorry about the loss of your friend str..sounds like he was a great guy


          without google cheating I think I remember northern wolf as a stallion ..of course I will check out of curiosity
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          • Jellymancan
            SBR MVP
            • 03-09-20
            • 3694

            #7775
            Sorry for your loss str. That was a great read. You’ve had some great memories and people over the years in your life.

            It’s too crazy right now in this country.
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            • lesterdymond
              SBR MVP
              • 07-25-11
              • 2357

              #7776
              Sorry for you loss STR and thank you for sharing
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              • str
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-12-09
                • 11614

                #7777
                Originally posted by batt33
                A couple of updates
                [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report[/COLOR]https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...0894937226.mp4
                Straight No Chaser breezed a solo half mile in :48.80 this morning at Santa Anita Park. Following a serious company drill last week, this week’s work was nothing more than maintenance. He will have his final breeze in preparation next Saturday over the Del Mar main track in preparation for the G1 Bing Crosby on July 27th.

                Originally posted by batt33
                [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Real Savvy Workout Report

                [/COLOR]
                https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5306_1720897324445/MP4/IMG5306_1720897324445.mp4
                Real
                Savvy breezed a half mile from the gate in :49.95 over the Oklahoma training track this morning at Saratoga. Your 2-year-old ridgling worked in company with stablemate Escapades (homebred by Into Mischief).
                Trainer Christophe Clement provided the update above noting Joel Rosario was aboard your son of Authentic and everything went well. As you will see in the video Real Savvy is visually becoming very fit-looking and we would expect it won’t be too long before we begin considering a potential race target.
                Excellent.
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                • str
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 01-12-09
                  • 11614

                  #7778
                  Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                  THX for the story about Mr. Allen STR. A good read.
                  Thanks my friend.
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                  • str
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 01-12-09
                    • 11614

                    #7779
                    Originally posted by batt33
                    Thanks STR...Great story
                    Originally posted by JBEX
                    sorry about the loss of your friend str..sounds like he was a great guy


                    without google cheating I think I remember northern wolf as a stallion ..of course I will check out of curiosity
                    [QUOTE=Jellymancan;31324481]Sorry for your loss str. That was a great read. You’ve had some great memories and people over the years in your life.



                    Originally posted by lesterdymond
                    Sorry for you loss STR and thank you for sharing
                    Thank you everyone! I guess once someone touches your life in a positive way, even if you lose touch with them down the road, they are always in you memory to reflect back on. Hank was special and I wanted to be sure that people knew that.
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                    • lesterdymond
                      SBR MVP
                      • 07-25-11
                      • 2357

                      #7780
                      STR. When OTB was in its prime did you see a lot guys picking up pennys or scraping to put a dime in on a super last race of the night ?


                      Paychecks not making it to the dinner table..
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                      • batt33
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 12-23-16
                        • 5981

                        #7781
                        [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Breeze Report
                        https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1065227496.mp4

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                        Visceral turned in a stellar breeze this morning at Santa Anita, navigating his way through traffic to work what was technically a solo five furlongs in a sharp :59.20 (3/60). Diego Herrera was aboard once again and thought it was a really good work.
                        The Glatt barn will make the journey to Del Mar tonight, and this was to be Visceral's final breeze before the one-mile MSW there on July 25. That race draws on Friday.
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                        • str
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-12-09
                          • 11614

                          #7782
                          Originally posted by batt33
                          [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Visceral Breeze Report
                          https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1065227496.mp4

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                          Visceral turned in a stellar breeze this morning at Santa Anita, navigating his way through traffic to work what was technically a solo five furlongs in a sharp :59.20 (3/60). Diego Herrera was aboard once again and thought it was a really good work.
                          The Glatt barn will make the journey to Del Mar tonight, and this was to be Visceral's final breeze before the one-mile MSW there on July 25. That race draws on Friday.
                          The horse seemed to be fine. Good move. But man, the racetrack ediquite from that clown show at the 1/4 pole leaves alot to be desired. You are not allowed to be right down on the fence at the 1/4 pole in company and the outside horse be 20 feet away, that's terrible! Glad there was planty of room to go wide.
                          Don't get me wrong. You can certainly breakoff at the 1/4 pole in company to run through the lane. But.. you have no right to have the company 20-25 feet apart. That's bush league. Mistakes can happen. And that is all on the other outfit but that is exactly how accidents do happen. Thankfully, there was no horse galloping in the middle of the track when that occured. Those two should have been within 5-10 feet of each other max, and your horse simply goes around them on the outside.

                          No harm no foul I guess but not cool by that other set.
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                          • batt33
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-23-16
                            • 5981

                            #7783
                            Originally posted by str
                            The horse seemed to be fine. Good move. But man, the racetrack ediquite from that clown show at the 1/4 pole leaves alot to be desired. You are not allowed to be right down on the fence at the 1/4 pole in company and the outside horse be 20 feet away, that's terrible! Glad there was planty of room to go wide.
                            Don't get me wrong. You can certainly breakoff at the 1/4 pole in company to run through the lane. But.. you have no right to have the company 20-25 feet apart. That's bush league. Mistakes can happen. And that is all on the other outfit but that is exactly how accidents do happen. Thankfully, there was no horse galloping in the middle of the track when that occured. Those two should have been within 5-10 feet of each other max, and your horse simply goes around them on the outside.

                            No harm no foul I guess but not cool by that other set.
                            Yeah I thought it was kinda strange that he had to "tip out" during a work.
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                            • batt33
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 12-23-16
                              • 5981

                              #7784
                              [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Update

                              https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1153945831.mp4
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                              Enjoy this video of Caldera galloping during our most recent farm visit at Oak Ridge Training Center. Owners of Caldera had the opportunity to see the Oak Ridge facilities, watch their colt train, and meet farm trainer Dave Scanlon and Caldera up close and personal once his training was completed.
                              Dave has been pleased with the progress of your colt and physically he looks great. Caldera will remain at Oak Ridge with Dave until he gets some speed work under him and expect to see him transition to the barn of D. Wayne Lukas sometime in August.




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                              • batt33
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-23-16
                                • 5981

                                #7785
                                [COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Workout Report




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                                Seize the Grey turned in a sharp breeze this morning over the Saratoga main track, covering six furlongs in 1:11.52. The Coach provided his feedback above (video #2), stating things went excellent. Wayne wanted to see how he handled the main track again, noting he believed the track was “looser and sandier” on Belmont Stakes day and today’s work certainly encouraged him.
                                With 11 days until the G2 Jim Dandy, it will be up to Wayne whether he breezes one additional time or not before the race. Entries for the Jim Dandy will be taken this coming Sunday, July 21st. There was a total of 19 horses nominated which can be seen here.

                                I couldn't get the second video to play... from DFR
                                https://www.drf.com/news/seize-grey-works-will-skip-haskell-run-jim-dandy?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0P3S6qR mcCNUTpnkX8g60orRmiXSUuNFq2bsMc0TpmQvGmT wqejJNm01M_aem_5tYJow6Jln2fwv8pFabVEA
                                Last edited by batt33; 07-16-24, 05:47 PM. Reason: adding DRF link
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                                • str
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 01-12-09
                                  • 11614

                                  #7786
                                  QUOTE: STR. When OTB was in its prime did you see a lot guys picking up pennys or scraping to put a dime in on a super last race of the night ?


                                  Paychecks not making it to the dinner table..



                                  A. Because it was a while back, they were not betting dimes. It did change to 1.00 bets at some point but I am not sure when. But early on, it was only 2.00 or nothing. My recollection is the "stuppers" they called them, that used to run around after the race and before it was official, grabbing tickets off the floor in hopes of a DQ.
                                  When I first started there was this older skinny white guy who was always smoking and mumbling to himself. He would throw flinch punches like he was an old boxer. I saw him a lot when I was 18,19 and yeah it made me feel weird to be around it but I guess I figured it was all part of the racetrack thing. Once I started training when I was 21, that stuff slowly changed with age and responsibility. It became harder to see and accept I guess. There were a few guys that would come up to me before the last race with some change and say can you give me 2 bucks for this? It was like 80 cents or whatever. I did that some, as little as possible, but I did it. I still did not really understand the despair yet. All that changed in early 1979.
                                  There was a young exercise girl who did not work for me but did work at Bowie year round. About my age. Her name was Wanda Grooms. She was really cute, and pretty darn good, but sadly, she was thrown one morning and that training accident left her paralyzed from the chest down. It was terrible. That was 1978. About 9 months later she came back to the track at Bowie for the first time. They had named a race after her. That was good stuff back then. But there was no way she was getting to the winners circle. She had to stay in the box in her chair. Handicap access was terrible back then. It didn't exist. I was fortunate enough to win that race and when I did, I started to walk to the winners circle. I saw her in the box right at the top of the stairs to go down. I walked into her box on the glass in front of the finish line, she saw me, and I gave her a big hug. That was a lot harder than I assumed when I first saw her. She struggled to talk much, started crying and I'm pretty sure I did as well . It was really emotional. And I wasn't ready for that.
                                  I decided to stay with her while they took the picture and not be in it. There is a cluster of people right on the glass next to the riders face in the win picture. Pretty sure that was them, and me, but it's not clear.
                                  Needless to say, from that day forward, I started getting what life was really all about, albeit in drops at a time but I became more aware of things that mattered. Really mattered. I'm so glad I made the decision to stay with her. It meant a lot to her and plenty to me as well as I think back on it. I have to think it changed me and how I viewed things somewhat.
                                  We bought her win pictures that she received a week or so later and she was real happy about that. Her speech improved a little more in time but not all the way.
                                  That was the thing that turned the light on for me as to the human element of all this. Before then, I was a dopey kid not realizing anything. Certainly not realizing what life is about. That day changed me a lot.


                                  On a somewhat lighter note, if you look at the picture and all the way on the left, that man standing alone behind the winners circle next to the fence was Danny Denver. Stage name but that's him. Think he was waiting for me to ask if he could get in the picture like he did sometimes. Danny was a singer in the 60's and 70's who impersonated great singers. He blew a fortune at the races. He couldn't stop . What a loveable guy he was but oh what a mess. He drank like a fish and bet with both hands.
                                  He would always ask me if I liked my horse and I actually came to like the guy. I did hate to see him losing his money but I sure couldn't stop him. When I got married in 1980, he sang at our wedding. My mom had given him like 300 bucks to rent tuxedos a couple of days before. In typical Danny Denver fashion, he blew it at the track the day before and he and the band showed up in bib overalls. My mom was livid! But I calmed her down. What a piece of work he was.
                                  Then, he gets me in trouble with my wife because when we were dancing our first dance , he went off script and played " My Way" in Sinatra impersonation. Then he played Lay Lady Lay in Bob Dylan impersonation. OMG was my bride pissed ! Lolol. But her dad thought it was funny so everyone calmed down. I still hear about that every couple of years. Unbelievable. You can't make this stuff up.
                                  Here is a link to Danny.https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/danny_denver

                                  Last edited by str; 07-16-24, 03:54 PM.
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                                  • Easy-Rider 66
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 02-14-12
                                    • 36088

                                    #7787
                                    another good read STR. you are on a roll. THX
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                                    • lesterdymond
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-25-11
                                      • 2357

                                      #7788
                                      Thank you for a top notch response and personal storyline.

                                      ”Danny Denver” the Johnny Fontaine of horses
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                                      • batt33
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 12-23-16
                                        • 5981

                                        #7789
                                        Wow humbling and great story STR.. Thanks for sharing
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                                        • batt33
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 12-23-16
                                          • 5981

                                          #7790
                                          Interesting thoughts from Lukas on the "track condition" During Belmont at saratoga
                                          Over the course of the past week, D. Wayne Lukas had indicated that it was very likely that GI Preakness winner Seize the Grey (Arrogate) would stay put and run in the GII Jim Dandy Stakes at Saratoga July 27 rather than ship to the Jersey Shore for Monmouth's GI Haskell Stakes one week earlier.
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                                          • JBEX
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 01-02-12
                                            • 23179

                                            #7791
                                            touching story str and very nice you stayed with her vs making the picture .. definitely have known some DD type gamblers at the local otb .. 2 were very good friends and heavy hitters ..no question over the years between them they could've bought ,not just any, but a very nice house with what they lost..real shame to say the least


                                            and in ny, on top of the already high take, otb took another 6% .. crazy to lose a lot of money betting into that




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                                            • str
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 01-12-09
                                              • 11614

                                              #7792
                                              Originally posted by lesterdymond
                                              Thank you for a top notch response and personal storyline.

                                              ”Danny Denver” the Johnny Fontaine of horses
                                              Nobody matched up with the phrase " What a piece of work" any more than Danny did. And a darn nice guy with a heart of gold.
                                              Last edited by str; 07-17-24, 09:06 AM.
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                                              • str
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 01-12-09
                                                • 11614

                                                #7793
                                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                another good read STR. you are on a roll. THX
                                                Originally posted by batt33
                                                Wow humbling and great story STR.. Thanks for sharing
                                                Originally posted by JBEX
                                                touching story str and very nice you stayed with her vs making the picture .. definitely have known some DD type gamblers at the local otb .. 2 were very good friends and heavy hitters ..no question over the years between them they could've bought ,not just any, but a very nice house with what they lost..real shame to say the least


                                                and in ny, on top of the already high take, otb took another 6% .. crazy to lose a lot of money betting into that




                                                .
                                                The racetrack has a million stories. Glad I could share that one with you.

                                                And yeah JBEX, I had not planned to stay with her, but it seemed like the right thing to do. In hindsight it was the ONLY thing to do. Glad my young dumb ass figured that out . Lol.
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                                                • str
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 01-12-09
                                                  • 11614

                                                  #7794
                                                  Originally posted by batt33
                                                  Interesting thoughts from Lukas on the "track condition" During Belmont at saratoga
                                                  https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...LOUUPM7KbBgDjA
                                                  Ah, the little subtle things that can mean so much sometimes. GL Batt!
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                                                  • JBEX
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 01-02-12
                                                    • 23179

                                                    #7795
                                                    hey str

                                                    question about our favorite horse..do I need to give the intials lol ..but I will KB

                                                    when he made that passing move from the 3/8th's to the 1/4 pole it seemed almost effortless ..I understand he's gone 9.5f three times and you know the races..once aided by slow (la derby) compromised by slow (pim special) and winning the ben ali ..so without drawing any conclusions from those and just going by the stephen foster do you think that move is a sign 10f is not going to be a problem ? not bringing pedigree into this as we both know he's bred for it
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                                                    • JBEX
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 01-02-12
                                                      • 23179

                                                      #7796
                                                      and one about the other guy lol DM.. I realize with his last race he's on a turf path .. when you look at the entire resume though

                                                      a win at 7f first out sar

                                                      long layoff winning gotham at a one turn mile

                                                      both 1 turn and impressive wins
                                                      considering type of company and the layoff with the latter

                                                      then gets all messed up in the two 2 turn aqueduct stake races

                                                      probably going to get blasted for this lol but how about giving the 7f g1 3yo (8/24) allen jerkens stakes a try ? sure the goal with him is to have a stallion's resume and dirt ones are much more valuable than turf ones .. maybe he's got his head together now and and is up for the task..if they're going to give him another shot on it would think now would be the time..also ,of course, consideration would be given to who the competition might be this year
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                                                      • str
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                        • 11614

                                                        #7797
                                                        Originally posted by JBEX
                                                        hey str

                                                        question about our favorite horse..do I need to give the intials lol ..but I will KB

                                                        when he made that passing move from the 3/8th's to the 1/4 pole it seemed almost effortless ..I understand he's gone 9.5f three times and you know the races..once aided by slow (la derby) compromised by slow (pim special) and winning the ben ali ..so without drawing any conclusions from those and just going by the stephen foster do you think that move is a sign 10f is not going to be a problem ? not bringing pedigree into this as we both know he's bred for it
                                                        I see it as no problem going to a mile and a quarter. Only the early pace worries me and that’s because we have seen him get rank when it’s slow.
                                                        If that is not a problem like last race, I see no problem at all.
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                                                        • JBEX
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 01-02-12
                                                          • 23179

                                                          #7798
                                                          it is unusual that a horse can run so well on the dirt in his first two starts and by start 5 his path is the turf
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                                                          • JBEX
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 01-02-12
                                                            • 23179

                                                            #7799
                                                            Originally posted by str
                                                            I see it as no problem going to a mile and a quarter. [I]Only the early pace worries me and that’s because we have seen him get rank when it’s slow.
                                                            If that is not a problem like last race, I see no problem at all.
                                                            yes I remember you mentioning that before and makes sense..have to think there will be a fair pace in the bc classic which will be at del mar this year
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                                                            • str
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-12-09
                                                              • 11614

                                                              #7800
                                                              Originally posted by JBEX
                                                              and one about the other guy lol DM.. I realize with his last race he's on a turf path .. when you look at the entire resume though

                                                              a win at 7f first out sar

                                                              long layoff winning gotham at a one turn mile

                                                              both 1 turn and impressive wins
                                                              considering type of company and the layoff with the latter

                                                              then gets all messed up in the two 2 turn aqueduct stake races

                                                              probably going to get blasted for this lol but how about giving the 7f g1 3yo (8/24) allen jerkens stakes a try ? sure the goal with him is to have a stallion's resume and dirt ones are much more valuable than turf ones .. maybe he's got his head together now and and is up for the task..if they're going to give him another shot on it would think now would be the time..also ,of course, consideration would be given to who the competition might be this year
                                                              I would guess Clemente will keep him on turf only. But, you never know. This horse is good enough when he is in the right frame of mind to probably do either. But if you just got him straightened out, should you mess with that? Hmm.
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                                                              • JBEX
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-02-12
                                                                • 23179

                                                                #7801
                                                                Originally posted by str
                                                                I would guess Clemente will keep him on turf only. But, you never know. This horse is good enough when he is in the right frame of mind to probably do either. But if you just got him straightened out, should you mess with that? Hmm.
                                                                I think if they don't there will always be a bit of "should we have" in the back of their minds no matter how well he does on the turf..I understand going another way after getting him acclimated to the turf might be disruptive but I think he showed too much potential on it to give it up..if he adjusted to the 7f and ran a professional race possibly they could give a dirt route a try as a more mature and experienced horse ..if it doesn't go well back to the turf hopefully not worse off from the experience
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                                                                • JBEX
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                                  • 23179

                                                                  #7802
                                                                  understand that I don't know things firsthand like the connections do..but from an outsiders view I think the idea has some merit
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                                                                  • str
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 01-12-09
                                                                    • 11614

                                                                    #7803
                                                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                    I think if they don't there will always be a bit of "should we have" in the back of their minds no matter how well he does on the turf..I understand going another way after getting him acclimated to the turf might be disruptive but I think he showed too much potential on it to give it up..if he adjusted to the 7f and ran a professional race possibly they could give a dirt route a try as a more mature and experienced horse ..if it doesn't go well back to the turf hopefully not worse off from the experience
                                                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                    understand that I don't know things firsthand like the connections do..but from an outsiders view I think the idea has some merit
                                                                    I totally agree JBEX. The horse has a lot of unanswered questions still in terms of dirt and distance.
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                                                                    • JBEX
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 01-02-12
                                                                      • 23179

                                                                      #7804
                                                                      Originally posted by str
                                                                      I totally agree JBEX. The horse has a lot of unanswered questions still in terms of dirt and distance.
                                                                      still eligible for alw n2x other than also if they have one of those at 6.5f to 1 mile at saratoga..if not probably will have it when they head back to aqueduct ..will be interesting to see what path they choose


                                                                      thanks str




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                                                                      • JBEX
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 01-02-12
                                                                        • 23179

                                                                        #7805
                                                                        was going back a few generations on a horse's pedigree (forget who) and the 3rd or 4th dam sire was roberto

                                                                        thinking of all the interesting things with him

                                                                        top flight runner europe

                                                                        same year (1969) and sire (hail to reason) as halo who was a very solid runner and sire himself .. remember you said you beat halo at mth ! also halo is the sire of sunday silence (famous battles with easy goer in triple crown races and the greatest japanese sire of all time)

                                                                        roberto is the sire of two "major" stallions in kris s and dynaformer (and sure at least a few others) who both could get top runners on either surface ..distance influences

                                                                        interesting he was a 3yo the year roberto clemente died in a plane crash (1972)..guess it's possible he was named after him (obviously too soon for the crash) as he was an all time great and it was late in his career .. if so they certainly got it right

                                                                        I think after the 3 major influences ( mr prospector,northern dancer and bold ruler) that hail to reason might be the 4th .. mainly with the two stallions mentioned above (roberto and halo) and especially considering what sunday silence (halo) did in japan
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