Horse Laying Training

**tommygun** · 08-03-10, 12:57 PM

you suck at laying horses, bad trap to get into my friend.

**PSD999** · 08-03-10, 01:42 PM

Day 5 results:

lay Playful Girl (14:00 CATTERICK) 33€ @50 W31,88€
lay Grand Stitch (15:00 CATTERICK) 34€ @50 W32,84€
lay Mystica (15:15 CHEPSTOW) 34€ @50 W32,84€
lay Imprimis Tagula (19:30 SOUTHWELL) 74€ @24 W71,48€

starting bank: 2000€
current bank:1857,27€
profit: -142,73€
W:15
L:3

**neila** · 08-03-10, 11:26 PM

Looks like you have it going in the right direction. Good Luck!

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 08:02 AM

thanks neila

Day 5:

lay Mountain Pass (14:10 PONTEFRACT) 30€ @60

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 08:17 AM

day 6

lay Mountain Pass (14:10 PONTEFRACT) 30€ @60 W28,98€

**gman2114** · 08-04-10, 08:29 AM

The key to remember is that the % of take out in horse racing is so high. No horse is an overlay.
For laying horses it is wise to match bets between the two favorites. Low odds good returns.
Then your profit factor is when longshots beat them both. Thus you have to break even in picking the lay horse in a the match race.

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by gman2114

The key to remember is that the % of take out in horse racing is so high. No horse is an overlay.
For laying horses it is wise to match bets between the two favorites. Low odds good returns.
Then your profit factor is when longshots beat them both. Thus you have to break even in picking the lay horse in a the match race.

lay Patachou (16:30 BRIGHTON) 30€ @30

**curious** · 08-04-10, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by PSD999

no
Slovakia, Europe

Why would you say "Slovakia, Europe"? Do you think that we are so retarded that we don't know that Slovakia is in Europe?

Kind of like someone saying "Canada, North America". Or "China, Asia".

Crackhead.

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 10:48 AM

lay Patachou (16:30 BRIGHTON) 30€ @30 W28,98€

**Iwinwithsports** · 08-04-10, 10:54 AM

just out of confusion i amin us and cant do this, but why do u want ur bankroll do decrease?

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 12:22 PM

I dont want to decrease, 0 is not my objective, but if it will be...

lay Daneside (19:20 YARMOUTH) 30€ @55

**tommygun** · 08-04-10, 01:09 PM

he doesnt want it to be 0, when you lay a horse you are essentially acting as the bookmaker and if that horse wins you payout the winnings eg. i want to lay (want it to lose) a horse at odds of $5 for the sum of $50, if that horse loses you win $50. But if the horse gets up and wins you pay out the bookies side and end up paying $250. Make sense?

**PSD999** · 08-04-10, 01:49 PM

Day 6 results:

lay Mountain Pass (14:10 PONTEFRACT) 30€ @60 W28,98€
lay Patachou (16:30 BRIGHTON) 30€ @30 W28,98€
lay Daneside (19:20 YARMOUTH) 30€ @55 W28,98€

starting bank: 2000€
current bank:1944,21€
profit: -55,79€
W:18
L:3

**Iwinwithsports** · 08-04-10, 06:13 PM

makes sense

**PSD999** · 08-05-10, 09:20 AM

Day 7:

lay Ultravox (16:10 HAYDOCK) 20€ @30
lay Negotiation (16:20 YARMOUTH) 30€ @30

**PSD999** · 08-05-10, 10:28 AM

lay Ultravox (16:10 HAYDOCK) 20€ @30 W19,32€
lay Negotiation (16:20 YARMOUTH) 30€ @30 L900€

**tommygun** · 08-05-10, 12:05 PM

negotiation winning must of hurt bad

**PSD999** · 08-06-10, 08:47 AM

Day 7:

lay Ultravox (16:10 HAYDOCK) 20€ @30 W19,32€
lay Negotiation (16:20 YARMOUTH) 30€ @30 L900€

starting bank: 2000€
current bank:1063,53€
profit: -936,47€
W:19
L:4

I need a break from hr

I am looking into ways to changing strategy. Back soon!

jw · 08-06-10, 09:14 AM

concentrating on short price horses racing over unfavorable conditions (distance, going, course, jockey) is the only way I could ever beat the laying game .... but the work involved in finding them was massive.

**PSD999** · 08-07-10, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by jw

concentrating on short price horses racing over unfavorable conditions (distance, going, course, jockey) is the only way I could ever beat the laying game .... but the work involved in finding them was massive.

**tommygun** · 08-09-10, 03:34 AM

Back high lay low

**mproud1** · 08-10-10, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by jw

concentrating on short price horses racing over unfavorable conditions (distance, going, course, jockey) is the only way I could ever beat the laying game .... but the work involved in finding them was massive.

yea, it's hard to sit around just waiting for opportunities

**tommygun** · 08-11-10, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by jw

concentrating on short price horses racing over unfavorable conditions (distance, going, course, jockey) is the only way I could ever beat the laying game .... but the work involved in finding them was massive.

In Australia today, the conditions were treacherous! The track was practically mud, I can recall two very short price favs getting beat. $1.90 and $1.75. I didn't place a lay bet on either of them though, chicken.

jw · 08-11-10, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by tommygun

In Australia today, the conditions were treacherous! The track was practically mud, I can recall two very short price favs getting beat. $1.90 and $1.75. I didn't place a lay bet on either of them though, chicken.

yup - i make sure to never place a "back" bet on muddy/sloppy tracks .... graveyards for faves though - plenty of laying opportunities.

**mproud1** · 08-11-10, 11:16 AM

Betfair In-Play seems like FREE MONEY when a horse pulls up or at a close finish

**neila** · 08-14-10, 11:24 PM

So what's the new strategy PSD999?

**PSD999** · 08-15-10, 04:41 AM

new strategy: no bet no lose

I´m busy with football now

jw · 08-15-10, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by mproud1

Betfair In-Play seems like FREE MONEY when a horse pulls up or at a close finish

Horses trading @ 1.01 lose more often than you might think ...

http://www.gubbage.com/index.php

No such thing as free money. Especially when dealing with a 5-10 second "delay" in "live" internet streams or tv broadcasts ...

**neila** · 08-15-10, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by PSD999

new strategy: no bet no lose

Yeah, I hear ya. A wise decision.

**mproud1** · 08-17-10, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by jw

Horses trading @ 1.01 lose more often than you might think ...

http://www.gubbage.com/index.php

No such thing as free money. Especially when dealing with a 5-10 second "delay" in "live" internet streams or tv broadcasts ...

yea, there must be a time advatage to being LIVE at the track with your Betfair Mobile