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  • JBEX
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    #211
    Originally posted by harthebar
    The maiden site is good. It's the future of all the races ..key to handicapping .I think the 2 year old maiden races at spa and del Mar are key .

    yes hart very good.. tremendous amount of useful information you can get for free.. 20 years ago you had to buy telephone book sized publications at about $100 dollars a year to get this kind of data


    going to use this opportunity to put up a baseball system for afternoon game today.. wouldn't just put it up as an individual post in this forum

    after break..
    day..
    divisional..
    away..
    <=38% team..
    line between 130's..
    total >=8


    0-16 (+112) (-2.94)

    fade cws



    det +107 ////// .75 units
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    • JBEX
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      #212
      Originally posted by harthebar
      The maiden site is good. It's the future of all the races ..key to handicapping .I think the 2 year old maiden races at spa and del Mar are key .
      a lot of really good horses start out at these places..I think if you're eyeing big fall races you want to get a win or good run at the summer meets
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      • JBEX
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            • JBEX
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              #216
              saratoga

              R4 #3 zip it jess (15-1)
              R6 #8 face it (5-1)


              R9 ex box 67
              Last edited by JBEX; 08-16-18, 01:00 PM.
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              • JBEX
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                #217
                finished saratoga
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                • JBEX
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                  #218
                  del mar

                  R1

                  #3 resolu (20-1)

                  big pedigree moss (big time player) homebred ran a decent 4th by less than 2 lengths in her debut 3 starts back in May.. the following race was about 7 lengths faster than par final time so that's tough to come back to for a 2nd race.. went evenly back pack around the track next race off a 56 day layoff and in that race the splits were extremely fast and even being back an average of 6 lengths at the pace calls she was still about 2 lengths faster than par.. back in half that amount of time today and don't think the connections would run her back quick if they felt something was wrong.. her closing style is what wins turf routes at this track.. jock 1/4 with this trainer last 60 days and that horse paid $36


                  #4 tig tog (6-1)

                  euro ran 2nd by a head in start #2 as a 2yo in June in england at 7f in a 16 horse field.. tough distance, big field and very young horse so impressive to me.. 3 other 3rd place finishes over there in her short 7 race career.. by classy euro sire dark angel and cost 117k at auction.. trainer gallagher 3/18 with euro shippers and they have averaged about an $18 win mutuel.. looks to have a versatile running style.. bejarano up to ride


                  R4 #4 camby (4-1) 444

                  thinking maybe he can get back to 2nd career race at santa anita as a 2yo which would make him a contender in here.. close to ridiculous pace next start at a mile and then ran 2nd to a fairly decent horse named "justify" in start #4.. switches back to stevens who rode him in 2nd start



                  R5 #13 hunted (9-2)


                  nothing fancy here..up close to a very fast pace last out and held for 3rd.. not a lot if any speed in here but you never know with maidens..not convinced after just 2 starts that this horse is a confirmed front runner anyway.. back in 3 weeks after being off 2 months and should be fitter.. nice pedigree overall



                  R8 #10 desolation sound (15-1)


                  just missed (< 1 length) going sprint/ route (actually 6.5 to a mile same as today but turf) .. horse finally gets to go 2 turns at what is probably the proper level as the connections willing to take a loss should he be claimed...figueroa winning 22% from 36 mounts routing which is quite impressive for anybody let alone a 5 lb bug


                  previous extra inning shutout loss..
                  previous wednesday...
                  total >=8..
                  dog <=150 or favorite..


                  12-0 (-105.8) (1.58)

                  as low a margin as I've seen for record like this ..they win but close ones

                  oak +130 /// .38 units
                  Last edited by JBEX; 08-17-18, 08:23 PM.
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                  • JBEX
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                      • JBEX
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                        #221
                        saratoga (know it's off turf and sloppy)


                        R1 #10 arch of the diver (small)

                        motion having a horrible meet but they thought enough of this one to ship him up from fair hills training
                        center 4 days ago.. has regular long works dating back to may.. he's 4 and hasn't run since sept as a 2yo (only 2 starts).. first time gelding.. all in all find these things interesting


                        R2 #13 standard deviation

                        even with elite sire curlin this guy expensive relative to the pedigree.. dam was a winner (non stakes)
                        and 2 winners from 4 starters and they were nothing special .. 450k a lot for this.. way above average off track pedigree ...short but very tough in here



                        R4 #1 pointer view (12-1)

                        another very expensive for pedigree

                        stud fee.. 12,500
                        dam.. winner (non-stakes)
                        1 starter was a minor earner .
                        obscure dam sire bred for speed


                        $200k a bunch for these specs


                        anthony dutrow if you happen to stop by str


                        R6 # 3 most mischief (10-1)

                        2 even efforts in first 2 starts with troubled trips..debut,2nd race and today all 4 weeks apart..by elite sire "into mischief" out of am unraced dam who has been a big producer..

                        5 winners from 6 starters with 3 of them being stakes winners..all 5 winners won as 2yo's and that's very impressive..trainer bret calhoun excellent with young horses
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                        after break..
                        home..
                        >=60% team..
                        starter lost previous..
                        fav >=230..
                        total >=9..
                        2005

                        23-1 (-264) (3.88)
                        14-2 (-1.5)

                        nyy -1.5 (-150)
                        Last edited by JBEX; 08-18-18, 01:52 PM.
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                        • JBEX
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                          • Louisvillekid1
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                            #223
                            Gl .
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                            • JBEX
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                              #224
                              Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                              Gl .
                              thanks lk
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                                  • JBEX
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                                    #227
                                    del mar

                                    R1 #5 cherished (6-1)


                                    R5 #1 air jockey (6-1)


                                    made his debut as a 4yo back in febuary and ran an even 3rd in what was a very fast race..last start off a 5 month layoff had a wide trip and finished a closer (by lengths behind) 3rd also.. just have a hunch that these connections might like to get in the winners circle on del mar's big day and it's not a coincidence that we see him here today.. rail excellent in dmr sprints


                                    R9 #5 taos (20-1)

                                    huge pedigree tapit out of a stakes winning mare, 3 winners from as many starters and 1 was a stakes winner... only 1 of the 3 ran as a 2yo and won first out...nice works ..realize mandella usually
                                    not big on winning first out but maybe the connections would like to have a first out winner on pc day
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                                        • JBEX
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                                          #230
                                          saratoga

                                          R2 #7 timber ghost (6-1)
                                          R3 #5 that's speightful (10-1) #9 rarities (6-1)

                                          R5 #2 heroic activist (10-1) #4 alasaayil ( 8-1) half unit
                                          Last edited by JBEX; 08-19-18, 12:45 PM.
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                                            • Louisvillekid1
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                                              #232
                                              timber ghost was impressive nice
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                                              • JBEX
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                                                #233
                                                Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                                timber ghost was impressive nice
                                                thanks
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                                                • Louisvillekid1
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                                                  #234
                                                  Not that you need the assistance

                                                  But love the #1 Lutenanny (8/1 m/l) in the 2nd, & think we even get DD cuz unknown

                                                  And in the finale the #7 Won’t Be Missed, is worth a play (20/1 m/l)

                                                  Both up your alley

                                                  Let me know

                                                  Spa ^ of course
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                                                  • JBEX
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                                                    #235
                                                    Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                                    Not that you need the assistance

                                                    But love the #1 Lutenanny (8/1 m/l) in the 2nd, & think we even get DD cuz unknown

                                                    And in the finale the #7 Won’t Be Missed, is worth a play (20/1 m/l)

                                                    Both up your alley

                                                    Let me know

                                                    Spa ^ of course
                                                    R2 #1 lutenany

                                                    geez..a 6yo nyb 2nd time starter who's based in md ..tried a turf route about a month ago at laurel vs
                                                    mcl 40k and didn't do much and now ships all the way up here..obviously a mdn clm 25K pays significantly more than a race down there vs open mcl but still a lot to go through to run a horse up here
                                                    especially factoring in age and local jock coming up to ride..worked a bullet 2 days prior to debut
                                                    (kind of interesting since it was a turf route)and exactly 2 weeks after that race and both were the exact same time 35.3 one b the other hg...can't deny lots going on here


                                                    #2 zecha (5-1)

                                                    I almost feel guilty after saying all that that I prefer this one..I think fast track this distance and level he's tough in here.. pletcher's (#10 stay good) is a half to a 700k + earner so can't be a good sign he's up for 25k


                                                    R9 #7 won't be missed (20-1)

                                                    the one thing that intrigues me about him a bit is how similar the race he ran 4 back is to the race he ran last out..stretched out and ran within 4 lengths of the winner @ 77-1 and is stretching out here again..more of a fill out the bottom of verticals type for me though


                                                    #1 riendo (9-2)

                                                    similar to the R2 pick feel he'll be tough vs claimers
                                                    Last edited by JBEX; 08-20-18, 09:22 AM.
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                                                    • JBEX
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                                                      #236
                                                      R4 #6 introduced (9-2)

                                                      2yo first time starter

                                                      $5k stud
                                                      dam winner
                                                      2 winners/3 starters/1 of those a turf winner
                                                      low dam production index meaning winners nothing special

                                                      $310k a bunch for these specs

                                                      jose ortiz only mount for this stable last 60 days a $10.40 winner
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                                                      • Louisvillekid1
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                                                        #237
                                                        Cheers
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                                                        • JBEX
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                                                          #238
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                                                          • JJJ
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                                                            #239
                                                            nice one
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                                                            • JBEX
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                                                              #240
                                                              Originally posted by JJJ
                                                              nice one

                                                              I only looked at him because of lkid ..thought there was a positive based on what I said but my pick was the 1..thanks anyway though jjj
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                                                              • JBEX
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                                                                #241
                                                                del mar

                                                                R8 #6 gringo star (4-1)
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                                                                • JBEX
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                                                                  #242
                                                                  saratoga

                                                                  R5 exacta 13/8

                                                                  all are first time starters.. rather than try to beat both pletcher and brown (1,3) going to just try for 2nd behind them

                                                                  R6 #8 our honor (6-5)

                                                                  not a play.. probably go off 2-5 and guessing they'll be a minus pool
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                                                                    #243
                                                                    del mar

                                                                    R4 #4 shake n fries (4-1) 444

                                                                    this is a way above average win early pedigree..street boss out of an unraced dixieland band mare (don't see many db (old) as broodmare sires) and interesting this only her 2nd foal to race..both sire and dam sire 17% first out which is very high and street boss is a sprint sire..up for 32k first out doesn't bother me with this pedigree


                                                                    R8 #5 causeididitmyway (6-1)

                                                                    trainer fantastic in maiden claiming races and feel the drop is what this horse needs
                                                                    Last edited by JBEX; 08-23-18, 04:18 PM.
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                                                                    • JBEX
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      finished dmr
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                                                                        #245
                                                                        saratoga friday

                                                                        R4 #5 seven jewels (8-1)

                                                                        "off a beat slow, greenly" was the chart callers comment.. I think the resulting running line is a great set up race to stretch out off.. the winners figure in that race (2yof sb msw) was above the par for a 2yof sb stakes so that was a fast race she exited..she went off 3-1 in that race and the winner went on to repeat in her next start

                                                                        some trainer stats.. brad cox

                                                                        356/29%.. 46-90 days off
                                                                        85/34%.. first race on grass
                                                                        91/29%..first try route

                                                                        big brown/too much bling mare... above avg turf but below avg class ..cost 10k and dam was a minor stakes winner at a small circuit track ..this to me about neutral info but other stuff like very much


                                                                        #4 tiztinabella (12-1) half unit

                                                                        gleaves has won with a big price debuter on turf according to the trainer stats and I believe (but not sure) it was at this meet.. sire and dam sire above avg turf influences


                                                                        R11 #5 good old boy (12-1)

                                                                        really feel this one a hidden gem..4 career starts beginning as a 2yo

                                                                        no blinkers broke slow debut...

                                                                        adds them breaks from 11 post ,shows speed beyond the eighth pole on a very fast pace..

                                                                        breaks slow from rail and looks like a rough trip

                                                                        1 start as a 3yo in january (dirt)and did nothing

                                                                        5.5f turf dropping to mcl seems like a good move..dam sire nashwan who's strictly euro turf..
                                                                        gets irad whose 2/3 riding for maker last 60..sure at least one,maybe both at saratoga
                                                                        Last edited by JBEX; 08-24-18, 01:40 PM.
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