Suggestions for the second SBR tourney:

[mofome]

MMA and UFC lines has been one think ive heard mentioned.

what are some other things? we will have seeding based on performance, but what else? I figure its best to keep this thread open so people can recognize things as well play and post them here.

I was thinking about making the 2nd one an invitational. the elite 8 guys fro this bracket, the top winners from the best bets thread, people who have a great posted record, and people who post write ups. Those people would get invites and the first 32 seeds should they accept.

what else do you guys/gals want to see?

[capitalist pig]

Make everyone kick in a set amount of $ in advance to be able to have a seat in the tourney,keep it small so everyone can afford it, maybe $20-50 each, JMO.

later

[Data]

Find a sponsor.

[mofome]

Find a sponsor.

for instance

?

[Data]

I think that the prize amounts are just insulting because a participant must be a "barreled in" degenerate to be attracted by those prizes. I personally would only participate in a contest with a small prize if it was sponsored by SBR, just to show my support.

Secondly, here we have a sportsbook providing $300 for a monthly contest. This seems to be too good of a marketing deal for them. Are marketing benefits from being an SBR sponsor that small? I do not think so.

[pico]

mo is doing this pro bono. i am just doing it for fun.

[Data]

i am just doing it for fun.

That or bragging rights is why the posters participate. Could be just a prize-less contest as well. Hence my point, find a real sponsor for a contest with prizes that are not insulting. This will attract more participants and business more for the sportsbook and for SBR.

[pico]

i think if mo runs this tourney smoothly, he might get sponsors next time. when this tourney first started, there weren't any prizes at all.

i rather think of this as a social event as oppose to a mean to earn some extra cash.

[mofome]

I think that the prize amounts are just insulting because a participant must be a "barreled in" degenerate to be attracted by those prizes. I personally would only participate in a contest with a small prize if it was sponsored by SBR, just to show my support.

Secondly, here we have a sportsbook providing $300 for a monthly contest. This seems to be too good of a marketing deal for them. Are marketing benefits from being an SBR sponsor that small? I do not think so.

Well prizes were not meant to be the main draw to this, we had 64 sign ups before any prizes were in place. As for prize amounts from books, i have seen more money offered in these things before, so I will have to talk with Bill about that.

ty for the suggestions and explanations.

[mofome]

That or bragging rights is why the posters participate. Could be just a prize-less contest as well. Hence my point, find a real sponsor for a contest with prizes that are not insulting. This will attract more participants and business more for the sportsbook and for SBR.

When free prizes become insulting to someone, it is time for that person to take a step back and reevaluate a few things.

[rake922]

just a suggestion here, but being able to risk different amounts on a particular play would be cool and perhaps make things more interesting....

[mofome]

just a suggestion here, but being able to risk different amounts on a particular play would be cool and perhaps make things more interesting....

perhaps a total risk limit of 10 units and you can use them however you like?

[rake922]

perhaps a total risk limit of 10 units and you can use them however you like?

could work....Although hope contestants wouldn't be like "I'd like 2.457875 units on Lakers ML"

[mofome]

could work....Although hope contestants wouldn't be like "I'd like 2.457875 units on Lakers ML"

only whole unit risks and no more than 3 on a single play. cant wait it out and then just load 10 on one game.

[mofome]

only whole unit risks and no more than 3 on a single play. cant wait it out and then just load 10 on one game.

favs still as 'to win' said units and dogs 'risk' of said units?

[capitalist pig]

mo is doing this pro bono. i am just doing it for fun.

Me too, this is a good fun thing, I could care less about the few hundred bucks in prizes and cash. Not that I think I can win, but if by some luck of the draw I did, my winnings go to Mo and his helpers for their time.

I still think if you had 64 people @ $50 each, thats a decent prize for the top 3 winners. The 1st 64 to get the $ in get to play, I find it hard to believe that everyone here couldnt round up $50 if they had a couple weeks notice, JMO.

later

[mofome]

Me too, this is a good fun thing, I could care less about the few hundred bucks in prizes and cash. Not that I think I can win, but if by some luck of the draw I did, my winnings go to Mo and his helpers for their time.

I still think if you had 64 people @ $50 each, thats a decent prize for the top 3 winners. The 1st 64 to get the $ in get to play, I find it hard to believe that everyone here couldnt round up $50 if they had a couple weeks notice, JMO.

later

That would create quite the prize pool CP.

[rjt721]

-- Minimum $20 entry fee
-- Boxing lines
-- raise the maximum requirement on plays per day to 3 (as well as increasing the total plays for a week to more than 7)

[Data]

When free prizes become insulting to someone, it is time for that person to take a step back and reevaluate a few things.

I am with the coach on this type of issues:

Kenny offered me $75 per month and I declined, I then went to SBR John and he told me to fuk off so I stayed here as Kenny insulted me with the $75 a month offer.

[mofome]

I am with the coach on this type of issues:

JJ was sarcastic while you were serious. I wouldn't want to compare my real life with another mans joke, certainly not when the comparison has little contrast.

[mofome]

-- Minimum $20 entry fee
-- Boxing lines
-- raise the maximum requirement on plays per day to 3 (as well as increasing the total plays for a week to more than 7)

round 2 is 10 plays 6 days.

[rjt721]

round 2 is 10 plays 6 days.

I'll be long gone by that point.

[Data]

JJ was sarcastic while you were serious.

Too bad, I want to be sarcastic too. Let me try.

Fuk off DSI, you can show that $300 up in your ass, I would rather play in a contest without a prize!

Better now?

I wouldn't want to compare my real life with another mans joke, certainly not when the comparison has little contrast.

Frankly, I could not decipher what are you saying here. Please explain. On my end, I will explain why the prizes CAN be insulting.

As per "prize" dictionary definition:
- anything striven for, worth striving for, or much valued.
So, while setting the prize amount the sponsor indirectly says that he thinks the participants would strive for. Thus, DSI says that SBR posters would strive for $25. Yes, some sure would. I refuse to be one of them. I am not a bum and I find it insulting to be treated like one.

If no amount offered insults you then you either have a low self-esteem or have oversimplistic views on the reality around you, taking everything at a face value.

[rake922]

As per "prize" dictionary definition:
- anything striven for, worth striving for, or much valued.
So, while setting the prize amount the sponsor indirectly says that he thinks the participants would strive for. Thus, DSI says that SBR posters would strive for $25. Yes, some sure would. I refuse to be one of them. I am not a bum and I find it insulting to be treated like one.

If no amount offered insults you then you either have a low self-esteem or have oversimplistic views on the reality around you, taking everything at a face value.

so you basically indirectly "insulted" all 64 entrants of the current contest by implying those who participate are bums... I think everyone would disagree with your outlook

[diogee]

I personally play for fun...I am new to handicapping and love the challenge. Same reasons I participate in all the contests. I could care less about the prizes or ego...I fully expect to be knocked out early but will still give it everything I have.

[Data]

so you basically indirectly "insulted" all 64 entrants of the current contest by implying those who participate are bums... I think everyone would disagree with your outlook

I am sorry you made this incorrect conclusion. I do consider a poster a bum but only if he was attracted by a prize. I am sure that very few posters, if any, were.

[mofome]

Too bad, I want to be sarcastic too. Let me try.

Fuk off DSI, you can show that $300 up in your ass, I would rather play in a contest without a prize!

Better now?



Frankly, I could not decipher what are you saying here. Please explain. On my end, I will explain why the prizes CAN be insulting.

As per "prize" dictionary definition:
- anything striven for, worth striving for, or much valued.
So, while setting the prize amount the sponsor indirectly says that he thinks the participants would strive for. Thus, DSI says that SBR posters would strive for $25. Yes, some sure would. I refuse to be one of them. I am not a bum and I find it insulting to be treated like one.

If no amount offered insults you then you either have a low self-esteem or have oversimplistic views on the reality around you, taking everything at a face value.

1) how do you 'show' a prize up your ass? please explain.

2) Do you understand the difference b/w connotation and denotation? Data, i think you're a bright guy, just not compared to people with an IQ over 19.

3) The situation you are in was not strictly predicated upon your own doings, be thankful for anything afforded to you and humbly pass on things that do not strike your interest.

4) I have no issues with self-esteem, simplicity, or reality. You, on the other hand, seem to be an embarrassment with regard to each. I can't lie to you, you're not half as bright as you care to think and I'll dominate any debate you care to engage me in.

later kid.

[Dark Horse]

Increase the number of daily plays to the maximum number for the entire round. If you have ten plays per round you should be able to bet them all on the first or last day. That way people don't get eliminated after entering picks for 30 days just because they're out of town for a couple of days.

There is no need for prizes, but if you are going to include them, do it right. How hard would it be for a book to put up $2500 a month? 1250 to the winner, 750 to the runner up, and 500 for 3rd place. Throwing in bread crumbs doesn't make it a better contest.

[Data]

I'll dominate any debate you care to engage me in.

I can assure you that you are mistaken here. You see, a debate is not a word-diarrhea contest which is what you excel in. A debate involves thinking and reasoning and you are lacking in that department. I am not interested in engaging you in a conversation. I was not interested before this and I will not be interested hereafter. The only reason we are having THIS conversation is that you asked for an advise while representing SBR. Since I have a great respect to SBR, I obliged. I assure you that if that was not for that I have close to zero interest in talking to you and that is another reason we are not going to have a debate.

[babaoriley]

Well this thread got fun real quickly.

Next contest: 64 entrant debate. Mo goes against data in round 1. donjuan gets to debate himself so that his circular thinking can be on full display.

[mofome]

I can assure you that you are mistaken here. You see, a debate is not a word-diarrhea contest which is what you excel in. A debate involves thinking and reasoning and you are lacking in that department. I am not interested in engaging you in a conversation. I was not interested before this and I will not be interested hereafter. The only reason we are having THIS conversation is that you asked for an advise while representing SBR. Since I have a great respect to SBR, I obliged. I assure you that if that was not for that I have close to zero interest in talking to you and that is another reason we are not going to have a debate.

laughable. i would have said the same if i was in your shoes. you came back with nothing relevant, you just spit out nonsense. im glad you know your role.

please, if you have a stance, also have a backbone.

later data

[bettilimbroke999]

The posters comments in this thread are ridiculous. This is mainly a handicapping contest about bragging rights, I as well as Kellen and a couple others tried to contribute a few bucks hoping that others would follow suit and make this a nice pot. Clearly that didn't happen and the shit pot you see before you is b/c the posters here are too tight to pitch in 20 bucks or more each to create a prize pool (would have been a close to 2k prize pool had all contributed and with DSI's 300), instead they'd rather bitch that some book didn't donate enough of their money. Everyone thinks books are lining up to host 2k prize pool free contests for some reason, hell if anything that would take away from their business by giving ppl a chance to win their money with no risk. I would also like to add that players should not be able to bet on the same team, I have seen instances of a player betting ML and his opponent (with a big lead) places his bet on the team + points, clearly limiting the amount of ground that the player can make up if ML hits. Let's make this tourney as fair as possible for deciding who are the best cappers at SBR.

[fearless]

Why is the maximum moneyline only -140? Most of my bets in real life are moneylines way above -140. This contest is severely debilitating for someone like me and it's not realistic because it arbitrarily cuts out a huge amount of daily lines that are widely available everywhere.

Why not make the contest realistic and put no restrictions on bets? Why can't you just basically say, bet the board? That's what we do in real life?

Also, I think that parlays and teasers should be added. If you use a parlay calculator like this, the calculations are easy:

http://www.parlaycalculator.com/

Adding parlays and teasers will keep everyone competitive for the entire match. You'll see some exciting "hail mary"-type bets when people are down and it will be more fun, imho. Also, adding parlays and teasers makes this contest more realistic. Parlays and teasers are important options when gambling. I just think that all of the normal betting strategies should be open to everyone in order to make this contest as realistic as possible.

Also, why not run the contest year around? I realize that you're putting in tons of work, mofome. But, if there's a buy-in for the contest, then an administration fee could be added to the buy-in. For example, if the buy-in is $40 then add a $10 administration fee and you get paid something for all your work, mofome. If the contest was run every two months, you'd make about $3840 a year off this thing.

[junkman773]

Do it like the NCAA tourney Big Dance

64 cappers in
head to head
each get 3 plays
most profit or least amount lost moves on
run it thursday thru sunday each week(may give more people a chance to get in)

If more than 64 sign up(which i think will after this one) have 2 brackets

Prizes is not important

IMO

Bol
Junk

[Wrigley]

Would work great for Football each player makes 5 picks either side or total number them 5 star thru 1 star.

The person with the best record would advance if both have the same record 5-0 ,
4-1, 3-2 etc... then the tie would be broke by whoever hit their highest play. ( If both hit their 5 star move to 4 etc... If they both went 5 -0 then you would need the second tiebreak of guessing total points for the monday night game.

Also if there was a way to post review the picks and release them before the first game kickoffs this would prevent someone from hedging someone plays.