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  • Formulawiz
    Restricted User
    • 01-12-09
    • 1589

    #1
    NFL Home Field Advantage
    Does anyone have a real handle on calculating HFA in the pros. It seems we all use 3 points for HFA but to me it does not make sense. Take a team such as STL to me they should be a negative value as compared to NYG. Even Sagarin uses approx 3. So the question is how do you calculate a good HFA value that makes sense if there even is one.
  • MrX
    SBR MVP
    • 01-10-06
    • 1540

    #2
    If your assertion is that some teams have a greater HFA than others, a good start would be a regression analysis to see if past team HFA is predictive of future team HFA. You can also use regression analysis to look for relationships between attendance, elevation, or whatever you think matters and HFA.
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    • DeluxeLiner
      SBR MVP
      • 01-29-08
      • 4132

      #3
      Quantifying this seems very difficult...I am not in favor of the 3 point HFA either
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      • acarmelo1
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 09-29-09
        • 6321

        #4
        Im dont home team adavatage exists on NFL, They are still playing in the usa.

        This exist only on international games for example USA Soccer team playing on Bolivia. Now Bolivia Stadium is really high on a mountain so you will see how this affect the players.
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        • MrX
          SBR MVP
          • 01-10-06
          • 1540

          #5
          Originally posted by acarmelo1
          Im dont home team adavatage exists on NFL, They are still playing in the usa.

          This exist only on international games for example USA Soccer team playing on Bolivia. Now Bolivia Stadium is really high on a mountain so you will see how this affect the players.
          If you don't think HFA exists in the NFL, I have a proposition bet in mind for you.
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          • 20Four7
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 04-08-07
            • 6703

            #6
            Originally posted by MrX
            If you don't think HFA exists in the NFL, I have a proposition bet in mind for you.
            LOL I think I can guess the prop..... that being said a general HFA of 3 is not true..... I have some teams with a 5 for HFA and some teams that have -3..... if you honestly believe detroit or the raiders have any advantage despite where they play your dreaming....
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            • Formulawiz
              Restricted User
              • 01-12-09
              • 1589

              #7
              Originally posted by 20Four7
              LOL I think I can guess the prop..... that being said a general HFA of 3 is not true..... I have some teams with a 5 for HFA and some teams that have -3..... if you honestly believe detroit or the raiders have any advantage despite where they play your dreaming....
              Can you explain how you come up with your HFA's. I agree with you 100% that all teams cant have a 3 PT HFA.
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              • 20Four7
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 04-08-07
                • 6703

                #8
                I could, but I've spent 20 years working on my nfl modelling..... I think you need to read Mr. X's post and go from there.....
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                • Pancho sanza
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 10-18-07
                  • 386

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 20Four7
                  LOL I think I can guess the prop..... that being said a general HFA of 3 is not true..... I have some teams with a 5 for HFA and some teams that have -3..... if you honestly believe detroit or the raiders have any advantage despite where they play your dreaming....
                  bookies would disagree with you.

                  Pittsburgh is laying 10.5 at Detroit this weekend.

                  You honestly think this line would be the same or lower if the game were in Pittsburgh?
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                  • waiverwire
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 03-08-09
                    • 125

                    #10
                    A good starting point for coming up withs some sort of general theory for HFA would be to look at which statistics are most heavily impacted by HFA. For example, in baseball the home team generally has an edge in triples, walks, and strikeouts. The rest of the edges (ie, edge in runs) can be derived from those. Has anyone taken a look at where the largest edges for home teams in NFL games come from?
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                    • 20Four7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 04-08-07
                      • 6703

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pancho sanza
                      bookies would disagree with you.

                      Pittsburgh is laying 10.5 at Detroit this weekend.

                      You honestly think this line would be the same or lower if the game were in Pittsburgh?
                      Of course the line would be greater in Pittsburgh because Pitts has a home field advantage. The line would probably be 14. I hope the bookies disagree with me in some games because that's how money is made.
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                      • durito
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-03-06
                        • 13173

                        #12
                        Originally posted by waiverwire
                        A good starting point for coming up withs some sort of general theory for HFA would be to look at which statistics are most heavily impacted by HFA. For example, in baseball the home team generally has an edge in triples, walks, and strikeouts. The rest of the edges (ie, edge in runs) can be derived from those. Has anyone taken a look at where the largest edges for home teams in NFL games come from?
                        the refs
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                        • BrianLaverty
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-02-07
                          • 2183

                          #13
                          Originally posted by acarmelo1
                          Im dont home team adavatage exists on NFL, They are still playing in the usa.

                          This exist only on international games for example USA Soccer team playing on Bolivia. Now Bolivia Stadium is really high on a mountain so you will see how this affect the players.


                          Are you saying theres no HCA in college basketball??? Please tell me you bet on it then and ill gladly be your bookie
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                          • 1CEMAN
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 10-05-09
                            • 5

                            #14
                            nice one Brian .... But I do like your way of thinking 24/7
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                            • acarmelo1
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-29-09
                              • 6321

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BrianLaverty
                              Are you saying theres no HCA in college basketball??? Please tell me you bet on it then and ill gladly be your bookie
                              I am saying exactly that. If the players are good, if the team is good. They will play good anywhere that have the same weather conditions as thier home.
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                              • Wrecktangle
                                SBR MVP
                                • 03-01-09
                                • 1524

                                #16
                                HFA for NFL is so complicated you cannot concisely express it here.
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                                • Robert Schroeder
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 08-17-07
                                  • 134

                                  #17
                                  Travel , Jet lag , Injuries , etc are the only advantages. It's loud everywhere these guy play no difference . a bunch of drunks screaming , though the refs can influence a game big time. 1 holding call on a TD and it can swing games 4-7 pts a time if they want. Look at the new England b.s roughing the passer
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                                  • shantystar
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 11-13-05
                                    • 7299

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by acarmelo1
                                    I am saying exactly that. If the players are good, if the team is good. They will play good anywhere that have the same weather conditions as thier home.
                                    exactly!
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                                    • SheistyMike
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 10-19-09
                                      • 9

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by acarmelo1
                                      I am saying exactly that. If the players are good, if the team is good. They will play good anywhere that have the same weather conditions as thier home.
                                      This statement way off and statistically unsustainable
                                      Can you prove me wrong acarmelo??
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                                      • Corey
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 11-25-08
                                        • 85

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by 20Four7
                                        I could, but I've spent 20 years working on my nfl modelling..... I think you need to read Mr. X's post and go from there.....
                                        I searched for a user "Mr. X" and found nothing. I also searched for "HFA" and "Home Field Advantage" and couldn't find it. Help?
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                                        • Indecent
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-08-09
                                          • 758

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Corey
                                          I searched for a user "Mr. X" and found nothing. I also searched for "HFA" and "Home Field Advantage" and couldn't find it. Help?
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