Giving Purdue too much credit

[fourlokobro]

Michigan -10 seems like easy money... what makes this year any different? I've been to West Lafayette, it's a children's playground compared to the Big House... This is a B10 opener and nobody honestly thinks the Boikermakers will knock off a CFB powerhouse program like UM. This isnt Kinnick stadium (@Iowa) at night like last year . Harbaugh's boys cover by by twice that amount.

Thoughts?

[BigdaddyQH]

First, Harbaugh is a very over rated HC. His team is very weak on offense. They failed to cover against both Cincinnati and Air Force at home. Purdue is 3-0 ATS and that includes a cover against Louisville, a much tougher team than Michigan has played. It seems as if Michigan just has too much talent for Purdue to defeat them straight up, but covering a 10 point spread is certainly doable. Pass.

[PaperTrail07]

Could EASILY see a recover from Purdue or a W....

[GoBlue77]

as a michigan fan we have been awful. spread is more than fair

[Eddy Munny]

I think the Boilermakers are a live dog. Remember last year Colorado went into the Big House as a heavy underdog and were trading punches with Michigan, outplaying them in fact, until they lost their quarterback and then the wheels started coming off... and that was against a far more experienced Wolverine team.

Both teams still have a lot of questions that haven't been answered so nothing would surprise me but I think the value here is with Purdue.

[Ralphie Halves]

- All Harbaugh does is turn around sinking/dead franchises and make them great. To say he's overrated is hilarious.

Took the 49ers from a 6-10 team to a Super Bowl in two years (with Kapernick as his QB). 9ers haven't sniffed that level of success since.

Took Stanford from 1-11 to 12-1 in his tenure, and beat USC as a 41 point dog.

Took Michigan from 5-7 to 10-3 the very next year.

Jesus Christ, what else does he have to do to impress you? No other active coach has turned programs around this at this rate (though Taggart is gettting closer). The guy is special.

- Colorado was better than Purdue is now, and with a stud coach. I like Coach Brohm a lot, but it's too early with this team to think they're going to legitimately hang in there with Michigan.

- And people can say this line is square/trappy/whatever, I like it. Purdue is punching above their weight, but Harbaugh humbles teams like this. Still a huge talent and coaching disparity here.

I like the -10.

And if for some reason Purdue wins, it doesn't diminish anything Harbaugh has done. This team is still super young, but there's too much to like here in this game IMO.

[Eddy Munny]

Last year's Colorado team may have been better than this year's Purdue, but last year's Michigan was better than this year's Michigan (at least at this point in the season). Plus Purdue gets them at home, not at the Big House.

[Ralphie Halves]

And the fact that it's a road game is what's giving us that juicy -10 with a team that's just way better right now. Just like the -4 I got when they played at Florida.

And agreed, last year's team was better because of Jibrill Peppers alone. That guy was scary.

[survive]

And the fact that it's a road game is what's giving us that juicy -10 with a team that's just way better right now. Just like the -4 I got when they played at Florida.

And agreed, last year's team was better because of Jibrill Peppers alone. That guy was scary.

Are you kidding me? Peppers might've been the most overrated player on that team...losing pretty much every defensive starter is why they were better last year

[Mac4Lyfe]

- All Harbaugh does is turn around sinking/dead franchises and make them great. To say he's overrated is hilarious.

A coaches poll had Harbaugh #1 as the most overrated coach in CFB. So don't take our words for it, ask his peers. He gets credit for turning a Stanford program around that was getting better anyway with USC under sanctions and the rest of the conference blowing chunks. Shaw has a better record at Stanford than Jim. Oh, he took a team to the Superbowl. So what? Look at some of the awful coaches that have coached a SB. Did he win? Now a lot of hype over him and Michigan and the best finish he's had has been 3rd in his own division. Get out of here. He's highly overrated bro.

[Ralphie Halves]

Are you kidding me? Peppers might've been the most overrated player on that team...losing pretty much every defensive starter is why they were better last year

Agree to disagree. Loved watching him last year.

[Ralphie Halves]

A coaches poll had Harbaugh #1 as the most overrated coach in CFB. So don't take our words for it, ask his peers. He gets credit for turning a Stanford program around that was getting better anyway with USC under sanctions and the rest of the conference blowing chunks. Shaw has a better record at Stanford than Jim. Oh, he took a team to the Superbowl. So what? Look at some of the awful coaches that have coached a SB. Did he win? Now a lot of hype over him and Michigan and the best finish he's had has been 3rd in his own division. Get out of here. He's highly overrated bro.

You can say whatever you want about what occurred while he was turning a 1-11 team into 11-1 -- it's still extraordinary. Especially a team like Stanford that sticks to their academic restrictions tighter than just about every FBS school out there.

11-1 is a 91.7% win percentage. Let's take a look and see when the last time Stanford had a 91.7 win percentage or better.....

Under Bill Walsh, nope. We'll keep going.....

Still looking.....

Found it! 1905 under famed HC Jim Lanagan, they went 8-0. People probably said he was overrated back then too, but there was no internet, and most of them died of lockjaw the next year.

And because he couldn't take a dwindling 49ers team in two years and WIN the Super Bowl, his accomplishments are somehow diminished? And because he took a left-for-dead Michigan program and didn't win the Big Ten East in year two, he's overrated? I think your guys' expectations for Harbaugh are way too high.

So yet to be seen this year I guess. I really like Michigan's chances not just in spots this year but in the future as long as he stays. Master recruiter and tactician. That's a helluva combo.

[PaperTrail07]

100% Remember that-Michigan got so lucky-he was throwing all over them

I think the Boilermakers are a live dog. Remember last year Colorado went into the Big House as a heavy underdog and were trading punches with Michigan, outplaying them in fact, until they lost their quarterback and then the wheels started coming off... and that was against a far more experienced Wolverine team.

Both teams still have a lot of questions that haven't been answered so nothing would surprise me but I think the value here is with Purdue.

[daneblazer]

Michigan will have problems against teams who can put up points. Enter a team who can put up points. Very interested to see what happens in this game. Purdue wins and Brohm becomes the hottest hire in the country.

[fourlokobro]

Still seems like a neat little gift to cash on Michigan ATS here.

[Riders23]

Harbaugh overrated, rofl. That's about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. He is an asshole and I don't like him at all, but he is excellent at what he does.

[Ralphie Halves]

Harbaugh overrated, rofl. That's about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. He is an asshole and I don't like him at all, but he is excellent at what he does.

Yeah, I think people's genuine dislike for the guy gets in the way of seeing what he's actually been able to do.

[BigdaddyQH]

Has Harbaugh won ANY Championship of any kind in College or Pro Football? He never won any Championship of any kind in College, where he currently is now. He did better in the pro's, winning two Division and 1 Conference Championship in 4 years, but NO Superbowl. Two years ago he took the Michigan job and had 17 starters returning, plus Ohio State at home. He immediately loses game 1 at Utah. The lost three games that season. He was 9-0 last season before losing 3 out of his last 4. My guess is that he loses 3 games this season. There is certainly nothing wrong with that record, but it does not come close to the great ones. Pete Carroll has had much more success than Harbaugh has. Carroll has also lost a Superbowl. just like Jim. The difference? Pete has won a Superbowl and is 1-1 in College National Championships. He also won 34 straight college games. THAT is excellent. Not what Harbaugh has done. when Harbaugh finally defeats Urban Meyer, let me know.

[Ralphie Halves]

Your expectations are ridiculous.

- If Harbaugh was stepping into Alabama, or even a Wisconsin or something, you may have a case. But he's steps into suffering programs. A 1-11 Stanford, and a 5-7 Michigan team that was sinking like a rock.

- He's only been at Michigan for 2 years!! WTF do you want from the guy? If he goes into a 5-7 program, and doesn't beat Urban Meyer right away, then it's a failure? Ridiculous.

- Pete Carroll was one guy, an anomaly (who cheated his balls off unapologetically). If that's the standard we're holding coaches to, they'd all be fired.

I'm not going to say much more about this. The facts are out there. If people's hate is going to cloud their judgement, just like snowflakes do when Trump says anything, there's nothing I can do about that. The facts are there. Interpret them as you will.

[fourlokobro]

Wow, great analysis on both sides. Renews my faith in forum opinions... GL to both sides... I will be on Michigan heavy. Cheers!

[Mac4Lyfe]

Your expectations are ridiculous.
- If Harbaugh was stepping into Alabama, or even a Wisconsin or something, you may have a case. But he's steps into suffering programs. A 1-11 Stanford, and a 5-7 Michigan team that was sinking like a rock.
- He's only been at Michigan for 2 years!! WTF do you want from the guy? If he goes into a 5-7 program, and doesn't beat Urban Meyer right away, then it's a failure? Ridiculous.
- Pete Carroll was one guy, an anomaly (who cheated his balls off unapologetically). If that's the standard we're holding coaches to, they'd all be fired.
I'm not going to say much more about this. The facts are out there. If people's hate is going to cloud their judgement, just like snowflakes do when Trump says anything, there's nothing I can do about that. The facts are there. Interpret them as you will.

I don't hate Harbaugh. I think he's a good coach. I just think he's way fukkking overrated. Maybe your expectations are too low???

Who steps into an Alabama or a Wisconsin? Harbaugh stepped into Stanford and Michigan. That's a pretty damn good step forward. He had 2 horrible years at Stanford, 1 okay year and 1 good year there and for some reason we want to crown his ass. He's finished 3rd in the East division of the B10. Nothing to write home about. His best coaching was at SD over a decade ago.

Urban Meyer went to Bowling Green. Made one of the biggest turnarounds in the history of CFB. Won the MAC the 2 years he was there. Moved on to Utah, turned them around the very first year with a 10-2 record. In the very next year he took Utah to a BCS bowl and an undefeated 12-0 record. Utah was considered national champs by some. He then went to UF and in 2 years won a National Title.

Jimmy boy ain't no where near Urban Meyer. Not in the same zip code. He'll be lucky to come in 3rd again this year.

[Ralphie Halves]

I've never said Harbaugh was the best HC in college football, please don't get that part confused. I said he's done some really great things that have rarely been duplicated, and should always be taken very seriously as an elite level coach. I made a real similar case for Willie Taggart while everyone on SBR was shitting on him, and he's doing really well right now too.

I doubt I'd put Harbaugh above Meyer, Saban, or even Chris Petersen. And I don't know if this current Michigan team is the one to beat OSU, they're really young still. But I really wanna see where this goes, and I'm really optimistic for it. No reason I shouldn't be.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I've never said Harbaugh was the best HC in college football, please don't get that part confused. I said he's done some really great things that have rarely been duplicated, and should always be taken very seriously as an elite level coach. I made a real similar case for Willie Taggart while everyone on SBR was shitting on him, and he's doing really well right now too.
I doubt I'd put Harbaugh above Meyer, Saban, or even Chris Petersen. And I don't know if this current Michigan team is the one to beat OSU, they're really young still. But I really wanna see where this goes, and I'm really optimistic for it. No reason I shouldn't be.

I think he's a good coach. No hate from me. I loved it when he rubbed it in Pete Carrol's nose. But like you said, I can't put him in that upper echelon of coaches. Maybe one day but not now. We have plenty of time to see what he does.

[Ralphie Halves]

Too early to celebrate?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Jim Harbaugh now has the exact same record as Brady Hoke...

One of the highest paid, overrated fukks in the history of football.

[Ralphie Halves]

Jim Harbaugh now has the exact same record as Brady Hoke...

One of the highest paid, overrated fukks in the history of football.

LOL, not taking the bait this time.

I know 98% of this board only understands instant gratification and surface numbers, but the hire was a long-term winner for sure. Last I'll say about it. I faded Michigan yesterday and won. Has been a good team to play in spots.

[BigdaddyQH]

Mac, for a guy that loses his tail on a rather consistant basis in here, you sure are a confused clown. You just love to argue with anyone about any trivial thing. I have told everyone in here that Harbaugh has NEVER won anything on the college level and he NEVER will. What is the big deal here?

[Mac4Lyfe]

Jim Harbaugh now has the exact same record as Brady Hoke...
One of the highest paid, overrated fukks in the history of football.

Harbaugh still overfukkingrated.

The only B1G team to lose was these bitches.

[Mac4Lyfe]

and 1 year later and Harbaugh still overrated as fukk. 1-10 against top 10 teams. 0-7 against OSU and now 2 straight games where his teams are motorboated.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Harbaugh overrated, rofl. That's about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. He is an asshole and I don't like him at all, but he is excellent at what he does.

How excellent is Harbaugh again? Another year and Harbaugh/Michigan still overrated. When are you going to admit that he fukkin sucks?

I've never said Harbaugh was the best HC in college football, please don't get that part confused. I said he's done some really great things that have rarely been duplicated, and should always be taken very seriously as an elite level coach. I made a real similar case for Willie Taggart while everyone on SBR was shitting on him, and he's doing really well right now too.

What the hell has Harbaugh done that elite coaches haven't done? Oh, yeah, that's right he's been able to lose every fukking time he plays a team with a pulse. I agree, that is very hard to duplicate.

Then you mention Willie Taggart in the same breath as Harbaugh as good coaches. Haha, you can't make this shit up.