UFC on FUEL TV 4

**Oblivian** · 07-10-12, 08:17 PM

I do think you are being a little harsh on Bruce Leroy. He looked fantastic against Escovedo, competitive against Hettes, and solid against Fig. With that said, I am picking Page here. I was hoping to get Page at better odds and will probably wait as I can see money coming in on Leroy. I think Leroy will do great against guys that will fight him on the outside or guys that he can overpower in the clinch. Page is neither of those. I see Page forcing a brawl and imposing his will. My only worry is Page fading and Leroy capitalizing on the ground.

**DirtyX** · 07-10-12, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Oblivian

I do think you are being a little harsh on Bruce Leroy. He looked fantastic against Escovedo, competitive against Hettes, and solid against Fig. With that said, I am picking Page here. I was hoping to get Page at better odds and will probably wait as I can see money coming in on Leroy. I think Leroy will do great against guys that will fight him on the outside or guys that he can overpower in the clinch. Page is neither of those. I see Page forcing a brawl and imposing his will. My only worry is Page fading and Leroy capitalizing on the ground.

Ya, I wouldn't advise anyone to go big on Page as he is unreliable, but I am picking him. I also worry that Page may gas, but I think he will fight a smart fight. I haven't seen the odds yet, but I put him at -180--200 range..

**NunyaBidness** · 07-10-12, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Guimaraes at -345

Was hoping he'd be undervalued

Goddammit! Don't you know Kalikas looks at your sig before he sets his lines? You ruin everything!

**NunyaBidness** · 07-10-12, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Craig was impressive against Noke whereas natal looked poor against what the hell was his name

His name was 'everyone'.

**DirtyX** · 07-10-12, 08:36 PM

Is anyone taking Dos Anjos at -190...? All this talk about Page and LeRoy makes me want to bet on the fight, but I don't know if I can throw serious money on Page. I'll add a $50.00-$100.00 straight play on him when my website releases the line. Right now I am only taking Weidman. I am feeling good about this one.

$300 / $214 Ticket#:71707883 [24152] C WEIDMAN -140

(M MUNOZ vrs C WEIDMAN)

Jul 11 10:15 PM

STRAIGHT BET

Jul 11

MU [24176] D PAGE -140 (A CACERES vrs D PAGE)

$70.00 USD / $50.00 USD

71723207

**dww123** · 07-10-12, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Craig was impressive against Noke whereas natal looked poor against what the hell was his name

Noke hurt his knee in the first round but up until that point Craig looked like your classic doesn't belong in the UFC type. He was fairly durable but looked really amatuerish to me. Not a fan of Natal but I think they got this line upside down.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-10-12, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

His name was 'everyone'.

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Not Furry Lucy

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-10-12, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by gabe

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Bruce LeRoy dominated Cole Escovedo for three rounds. He also beat up Edwin Figureuoa for three rounds, but lost due to hpoor reffing and judging. ~~Edwin was considered one of the best 135ers in the UFC~~ and LeRoy made kicking his ass look easy.

His only real losses were due to being undersized. He did well until he got submitted. He has never looked bad in a loss. Again, you really don't know what youre talking about.

For the record, I think Caceres is a douche, and I loved the sh*t out of fading him vs Mackens... buuuuuuuut, I'm gonna go ahead and agree with a good chunk of what cousin Gabriel has asserted (sans that bit about Figueroa's status). Since dropping to a more suitable weight class, Caceres has shown a nice bit of development and hasn't appeared so gimmicky compared to his douchey filled stint on TUF.

I love fading TUFers as much as the next guy, especially guys from the show that I can't stand, but I try to be objective about things. Like Michael Johnson for example... I couldn't stand that mf'r, but when he started showing some stand-up evolution, which I could only surmise was due to some time well spent with Tyrone Spong at the Blackzilians camp, I had no problem backing him as a dog vs Tony Ferguson... even though, I really really wanted Ferguson to put Johnson's lights out.

That being said, this is a NP for me (lack of time), but I'd caution against an auto-fade here (for those considering a blind fade on Caceres) without spending the time to DYODD.

GL

**TheCalculator** · 07-10-12, 11:27 PM

In my "award book" -- Caceres might win "most improved fighter of 2011". I was shocked at his skill jump in his recent fights. Anyone who can't see that isn't really watching him. And yes -- he was an epic clown in TUF. That being said -- it looks like the boy's growing up.

**DirtyX** · 07-10-12, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

For the record, I think Caceres is a douche, and I loved the sh*t out of fading him vs Mackens... buuuuuuuut, I'm gonna go ahead and agree with a good chunk of what cousin Gabriel has asserted (sans that bit about Figueroa's status). Since dropping to a more suitable weight class, Caceres has shown a nice bit of development and hasn't appeared so gimmicky compared to his douchey filled stint on TUF.

I love fading TUFers as much as the next guy, especially guys from the show that I can't stand, but I try to be objective about things. Like Michael Johnson for example... I couldn't stand that mf'r, but when he started showing some stand-up evolution, which I could only surmise was due to some time well spent with Tyrone Spong at the Blackzilians camp, I had no problem backing him as a dog vs Tony Ferguson... even though, I really really wanted Ferguson to put Johnson's lights out.

That being said, this is a NP for me (lack of time), but I'd caution against an auto-fade here (for those considering a blind fade on Caceres) without spending the time to DYODD.

GL

Not going to lie, I did forget he dropped a weight class and is relatively big for 135lbs. I still pick Page here, and I still think even if he get's past Page, he won't hang with the top ten. If he dominates, then I will be impressed.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-10-12, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by TheCalculator

In my "award book" -- Caceres might win "most improved fighter of 2011". I was shocked at his skill jump in his recent fights. Anyone who can't see that isn't really watching him. And yes -- he was an epic clown in TUF. That being said -- it looks like the boy's growing up.

Are we sure his skill level jumped? Maybe his competition level decreased?

Damacio has looked bad in his losses, but they're against a murderers row of competition. Page has been subbed many times, but most of those losses come from being rocked on the feet first, I don't think Caceres has that kind of power.

Caceres loses to all of Page's losses, and Page beats all of Caceres' wins. Expected Page line closer to -200.

**TheCalculator** · 07-11-12, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Are we sure his skill level jumped? Maybe his competition level decreased?

Damacio has looked bad in his losses, but they're against a murderers row of competition. Page has been subbed many times, but most of those losses come from being rocked on the feet first, I don't think Caceres has that kind of power.

Caceres loses to all of Page's losses, and Page beats all of Caceres' wins. Expected Page line closer to -200.

One of our opinions will be validated tomorrow.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-11-12, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by TheCalculator

One of our opinions will be validated tomorrow.

Or possibly both. Or possibly neither.

**TheCalculator** · 07-11-12, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Or possibly both. Or possibly neither.

The mystery seeps deeper into the abyss of the endless possibilities of unbridled infinity.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-11-12, 02:20 AM

Nunya makes some good points re: Page's resume wrt opponent quality... I may throw some pocket change on Page for Furry Lucy.

**Vitooch** · 07-11-12, 02:44 AM

Can anyone confirm they have used a *************** V I S A card as a successful form of deposit on 5dimes or Bookmaker?

**Vitooch** · 07-11-12, 02:47 AM

Let me put it this way, has anyone gone on the interNET and used a certain card to SPEND on MMA books and has been successful

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Goddammit! Don't you know Kalikas looks at your sig before he sets his lines? You ruin everything!

lol

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Vitooch

Can anyone confirm they have used a *************** V I S A card as a successful form of deposit on 5dimes or Bookmaker?

Bookmaker wouldnt let me use a V I S A DC to deposit with as Im in UK and need to build up better "credit history" with them by using other options. So I had to use Neteller

**Vitooch** · 07-11-12, 02:50 AM

I'm pretty sure the card I am talking is not a DC, but a prepaid card.

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Nunya makes some good points re: Page's resume wrt opponent quality... I may throw some pocket change on Page for Furry Lucy.

yep, I really liked Page but was expecting him to come out undervalued at -130 or something. Was hoping for better lines on Page, Guimaraes, Cariaso and Assuncao but all too steep for me now. Kalikas has got them spot on IMO

**getlucky2win** · 07-11-12, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yep, I really liked Page but was expecting him to come out undervalued at -130 or something. Was hoping for better lines on Page, Guimaraes, Cariaso and Assuncao but all too steep for me now. Kalikas has got them spot on IMO

i see bfo having page -130 at pinnacle

**NunyaBidness** · 07-11-12, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Nunya makes some good points re: Page's resume wrt opponent quality... I may throw some pocket change on Page for Furry Lucy.

If I keep getting all my accounts closed up, Furry Lucy may have to start placing her own bets.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-11-12, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yep, I really liked Page but was expecting him to come out undervalued at -130 or something. Was hoping for better lines on Page, Guimaraes, Cariaso and Assuncao but all too steep for me now. Kalikas has got them spot on IMO

Yeah, Kalikas does a better job than the other guys, but I think he botched a couple lines here, one quite badly.

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by getlucky2win

i see bfo having page -130 at pinnacle

yeah ur right, I was only lookin at sportsbook's -200 line

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Yeah, Kalikas does a better job than the other guys, but I think he botched a couple lines here, one quite badly.

Which one?!

**NunyaBidness** · 07-11-12, 03:25 AM

I'll post it after limits go up. (and then it will lose anyway and everyone can have a laugh)

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 03:32 AM

ha good man

**Vaughany** · 07-11-12, 06:21 AM

**PunisherIND** · 07-11-12, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

beasts! Cant wait. Took day off of work so I wouldn't miss prelims. Lol.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-11-12, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

beasts! Cant wait. Took day off of work so I wouldn't miss prelims. Lol.

**zoo youk** · 07-11-12, 08:27 AM

anyone else really like Dillashaw to clean up? or is he still not well rounded enough yet to lay that type of juice?

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-11-12, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by zoo youk

anyone else really like Dillashaw to clean up? or is he still not well rounded enough yet to lay that type of juice?

parlay him with Te Huna...

**zoo youk** · 07-11-12, 08:38 AM

dont have the option to parlay..wow hes all the way up to -400 at justbet

**zoo youk** · 07-11-12, 08:46 AM

probably just gonna lay it. Dillashaw comes from a much better back round and has insanely higher level of competition in camp at team alpha male than the brit Lee does