Strikeforce: Barnett vs. Cormier (May 19th)

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 05-14-12, 07:30 PM

It gets better!

Josh Thomson was on Ariel Helwani's The MMA Hour today and he was complaining of waking up this morning with a sore throat.

He said he's had a wrist injury for this camp and tried to downplay the PCL injury, saying it was a leg injury and it's exacerbated with cardio but nothing that would pull him from the fight. What's even more puzzling is that the leg injury is irritated by cardio yet he said his camp changes to improve from the Noons fight included increasing cardio to 6 days/week from 3. LOL whut?

Maybe he'll cough on Melendez and tried to bring him into his world...

**1nce** · 05-15-12, 02:42 AM

Thank's ya'll for your responses

I've started out with a hedge that pays back my stake if Cormier wins, gonna consider the equal profit arb. It's easy to get a bit greedy and wanna stick to the value....

**illmatick** · 05-17-12, 09:50 AM

Cormier starting to peak at pinny and Bookmaker.

-105 now at pinny.

**illmatick** · 05-17-12, 10:42 AM

Interesting, Rafael Cavalcante opens at -175.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 05-17-12, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

Interesting, Rafael Cavalcante opens at -175.

I'll bite

**NunyaBidness** · 05-17-12, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

Interesting, Rafael Cavalcante opens at -175.

...

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-17-12, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

Interesting, Rafael Cavalcante opens at -175.

Would def take that if it was on my book, hope he's still under -200 by the time he gets up on mine. Not holding the first fight against him too much, was clearly out of shape and it was long ago.. I think feijiao is one of the most underrated lhws out there, I think he'd beat a handful of the top zuffa lhws.

**Vaughany** · 05-17-12, 10:54 AM

yeah he'll reach -200 to -250 range for suree

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-17-12, 10:57 AM

I played Faeijao I remember when he opened evens with Hendo

**NunyaBidness** · 05-17-12, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yeah he'll reach -200 to -250 range for suree

If he does, I'll be pounding the other side. Kyle is underrated and improving, not to mention he has KOd him before.

**Vitooch** · 05-17-12, 03:09 PM

Anyone have video of Cavalcante/Kyle I? Can't seem to find it.

**NunyaBidness** · 05-17-12, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

Anyone have video of Cavalcante/Kyle I? Can't seem to find it.

I don't think it was ever televised.

**fosho14** · 05-17-12, 06:36 PM

How likely is gilbert to finish Thompson ITD? Estimated percentage wise?

**Vitooch** · 05-17-12, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

How likely is gilbert to finish Thompson ITD? Estimated percentage wise?

70%? Especially considering the injury.

**fosho14** · 05-17-12, 07:06 PM

Ya it's a tough call, I wonder what the line is going to be. I just can't bring myself to play gil SU with the amount of juice.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-17-12, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I don't think it was ever televised.

I think it was televised, for some reason I can clearly remember feijao getting pounded out, and its not the hendo fight I'm thinking of... I think its was on the undercard but they threw it in the main show due to more time from quick main card fights, I could be wrong but I know I've seen that fight. As far as being relevant and helping you guys find the video lol, sorry... I just searched and couldn't find anything.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-17-12, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

Ya it's a tough call, I wonder what the line is going to be. I just can't bring myself to play gil SU with the amount of juice.

I've never paid over -350 on a fighter SU, but considering the ailments surrounding josh and my reasoning in earlier posts, I REALLY like gil in this, even with the juice. I took him str8 up to win 175 at -425... Its a risk that I think will pay off, I really can't envision el nino losing. But then again I've been surprised by more unlikely things in this sport haha so who knows, but personally I really like this play and that says a lot considering this is the only fight I've paid that kind juice on in my near 2 years of mma gambling. I don't even have GIL itd/decision options on my book, but one thing I can't call in this fight is how gil wins... so I actually would feel most comfortable playing it str8 up, even if I had gil itd/decision. Yet for some reason I could see josh gassing and giving up in the 4th round and getting pounded out. If you're going 'by the book' and playing conservative and wanna have good bankroll management (which now that I think about I should probably be doing haha), then obviously don't ever pay this kind of juice SU in this sport... but this is about as good a match as I can think of to pay such juice SU on a fighter imo. GL brudddah!

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-17-12, 08:52 PM

Gil dominated the second fight pretty badly. That was with a ring rusted Josh, now fight 3 has an injured Josh. I think Gil is the pick here.

**fosho14** · 05-17-12, 10:20 PM

Agree with everything thats been said and there's no doubt gil will not lose it's just that there's no money to be made unfortunately. Throw it in to a few parlays I suppose.

**Vitooch** · 05-17-12, 10:23 PM

I think going to parlay Gil ITD with Falcao ....

I'm really unsure about Cavalcante/Kyle....I will probably end up staying away from that fight. Anyone have any compelling arguments for a play on either? I initially thought Cavalcante would take this easily, but after hearing Kyle already KOed him, I'm a little concerned.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-17-12, 10:40 PM

What makes yall so sure Kyle isn't going to TKO Feijao like he did 09, Kyle has improved while calvacante has looked the same

Feijao starts slow Kyle will beat him to the punch and finish him

**Crassus** · 05-18-12, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I think going to parlay Gil ITD with Falcao ....

I'm really unsure about Cavalcante/Kyle....I will probably end up staying away from that fight. Anyone have any compelling arguments for a play on either? I initially thought Cavalcante would take this easily, but after hearing Kyle already KOed him, I'm a little concerned.

Feijao was noticeably fat and out of shape in that fight. He's going to dominate Kyle here, G&P finish in my opinion.

**Vaughany** · 05-18-12, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Gil dominated the second fight pretty badly. That was with a ring rusted Josh, now fight 3 has an injured Josh. I think Gil is the pick here.

Didnt Josh win 2 of the rounds in tht last fight

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 05-18-12, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Didnt Josh win 2 of the rounds in tht last fight

Nah, just the first. Gilbert took it to him and Josh started to fade afterwards. Josh is pretty resilient though so I believe he could go 5 rounds more than some people on here are led to believe, knee injury and all. A Gilbert finish is not a guarantee here.

**Vaughany** · 05-18-12, 08:10 AM

Press COnference... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXbu...&feature=share

**Rubber Guard** · 05-18-12, 09:59 AM

I don't hate Coker. But you can see why Dana is such a personality. A guy like Dana really helps to sell the event rather than a guy like Coker who is fumbling over words and is just reading off a piece of paper.

**Beelzebubzy** · 05-18-12, 10:00 AM

.5u on Cormier at +130
2u on Cavalcante at -175 (will free roll Kyle)

**Vaughany** · 05-18-12, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

I don't hate Coker. But you can see why Dana is such a personality. A guy like Dana really helps to sell the event rather than a guy like Coker who is fumbling over words and is just reading off a piece of paper.

yeee painful to watch

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-18-12, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

What makes yall so sure Kyle isn't going to TKO Feijao like he did 09, Kyle has improved while calvacante has looked the same

Feijao starts slow Kyle will beat him to the punch and finish him

I don't have a compelling argument for feijao and I do agree that kyle's improved in all aspects of the game, but I disagree that feijao's looked the same.. Its been three years and he was clearly out of shape in that fight... For one, he hasn't been out of shape since that kyle fight... Fight with king mo was grueling and draining match, a heavy mix of clinching, tdds, and striking, and he still looked fresh when he pounded out a gassed mo in the 3rd. Not that it matterd in the first fight with kyle, but I also think he's improved his wrestling, both offesively and defensively. I think he has the option to take kyle down if its bad on the feet and also think he can def keep it upright if kyle tries to get it down. On the feet I really give kyle only a punchers chance. They both have great ko power, but feijao's all around technique and especially his clinch work is better than kyle's imo... He also has some nasty leg kicks to employ. I was thinking yesterday to stay away from this fight, but now that I'm typing this and thikning about it, I think feijao is better everywhere, therefore -200 price isn't too bad.. Kyle does tend to upset time and time again though and he's def an underrated fighter... He starts really strong as well. BUt really, I don't think -200 is too bad if you like feijao. I'll prob stay away but we'll see..

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-18-12, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Didnt Josh win 2 of the rounds in tht last fight

No he barely won the first round, I scored the first for josh as did most sites, but it was mainly due to agression while gil was just getting started. It was a pretty lopsided decision for the most part. Same could be said for josh in the first fight, I only give gil a round in that one

**NunyaBidness** · 05-18-12, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

I think it was televised, for some reason I can clearly remember feijao getting pounded out, and its not the hendo fight I'm thinking of... I think its was on the undercard but they threw it in the main show due to more time from quick main card fights, I could be wrong but I know I've seen that fight. As far as being relevant and helping you guys find the video lol, sorry... I just searched and couldn't find anything.

It wasn't shown on the main broadcast, I just went through the whole thing again. The prelims could've been broadcast on HDNet or something, I personally have no recollection of ever seeing that fight.

**Vaughany** · 05-18-12, 11:56 AM

Ye it was a "dark fight"...not shown

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-18-12, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

It wasn't shown on the main broadcast, I just went through the whole thing again. The prelims could've been broadcast on HDNet or something, I personally have no recollection of ever seeing that fight.

interesting, I know I've seen it and I'm pretty sure it was on the main show that I saw it on...Wasn't a 'dark fight' because I've seen it somewhere I can vividly remember fiejao getting clobbered on the ground eyes oppen as kyle kept cracking him... also won a nice parlay with shields' upset over lawler so I remember that event pretty clearly.

Where are you able to re-watch / dig up the main broadcast of that event???

**illmatick** · 05-18-12, 12:25 PM

I've seen the fight as well, just can't remember exactly where.

**NunyaBidness** · 05-18-12, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

interesting, I know I've seen it and I'm pretty sure it was on the main show that I saw it on...Wasn't a 'dark fight' because I've seen it somewhere I can vividly remember fiejao getting clobbered on the ground eyes oppen as kyle kept cracking him... also won a nice parlay with shields' upset over lawler so I remember that event pretty clearly.

Where are you able to re-watch / dig up the main broadcast of that event???

You can get the broadcasts of pretty much every card via newsgroups or torrent.

You can find this one here:

http://www.bestmmatorrents.com/details/10635/StrikeForce%20Event%20Pack%2010-19.torrent

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