UFC 140: Jones vs Machida

[Vaughany]

Has everybody else had their Mir by TKO bet approved by sportbet/5dimes?

[NunyaBidness]

This sport is not once what it was...This was not a good card and anybody who thinks diff is new to the sport...

It was a good card, and I saw UFC 1 live when I was in high school.

[jacktheknife]

Unibet and paddy have settled it as a submission as well

Well, try think of all those submissions due to strikes that they'll cash your TKO bets on.

[hels]

well betfair decided that Mir TKO was not the winning decision. I have written them and am not pleased. Will update on their response. They have been degraded in my opinion.

[phillybadboy]

You guys have really never heard of a technical submission before?

hels brought out the rule book

[phillybadboy]

well betfair decided that Mir TKO was not the winning decision. I have written them and am not pleased. Will update on their response. They have been degraded in my opinion.

people are saying you are regarding subs and tko, i'm confused

[Vaughany]

well betfair decided that Mir TKO was not the winning decision. I have written them and am not pleased. Will update on their response. They have been degraded in my opinion.

yeah all the eurobooks are, but sportbet are sticking with TKO. I've complained to paddy, unibet and skybet and they said their traders will check but they wont back down

[hels]

Where can I bet on this 'technical submission'?

All I'm saying is by the book it's either a submission or KO/TKO. The referee judged it a TKO and buffer announced it a TKO.

If this decision is wrong, who has the authority to override it? Honest question. I would like to know.

[NunyaBidness]

Where can I bet on this 'technical submission'?

All I'm saying is by the book it's either a submission or KO/TKO. The referee judged it a TKO and buffer announced it a TKO.

If this decision is wrong, who has the authority to override it? Honest question. I would like to know.

You can bet on it the same places you can bet on a technical knockout or a technical draw, which I'm sure you've never heard of either.

[NunyaBidness]

If this decision is wrong, who has the authority to override it? Honest question. I would like to know.

The commission obviously.

[Vitooch]

Trolls on MMAJunkie calling for Jones to move up a weight class LOL

[Landscaper]

It was a good card, and I saw UFC 1 live when I was in high school.

Stop already little boy

[NunyaBidness]

Stop already little boy

You are not only dull yourself, but a cause of dullness in others.

[hels]

You can bet on it the same places you can bet on a technical knockout or a technical draw, which I'm sure you've never heard of either.

Ya I'm sure I've never heard of a TKO. I only bet on a KO/TKO. You've probably never heard of that.

[NunyaBidness]

Ya I'm sure I've never heard of a TKO. I only bet on a KO/TKO. You've probably never heard of that.

The dumber they are, the more posts they have.

[NunyaBidness]

Ya I'm sure I've never heard of a TKO. I only bet on a KO/TKO. You've probably never heard of that.

http://www.sherdog.com/events/Rings-King-of-Kings-1999-Block-A-285

[hels]

The dumber they are, the more posts they have.

What were your bets tonight? Good job not posting them.

[sirchadwick1]

Mir was given "submission of the night"... so that completely contradicts any TKO ruling. Glad I didn't go in on a prop in that one. Thank god Jones v. Machida was given FOTN honors... helped me break even since that was at +375.

[phillybadboy]

so we all agree, the correct call for machida-jones, and mir-noguerra was both technical submissions

[Vaughany]

so we all agree, the correct call for machida-jones, and mir-noguerra was both technical submissions

Yeah no doubt. But it's just the fact that majority of books have a statement in their rules that the first decision published is final and any change will not count. In this instance the first published result was Mir by TKO as read out by Buffer.

[jacktheknife]

Shit, V, I just looked at your final plays. You can't tell red ink from ass blood right now.

[Vaughany]

Shit, V, I just looked at your final plays. You can't tell red ink from ass blood right now.

ha Was not a good night to say the least! Good job Mike Pierce made me 100 units a few weeks ago

[DarkfallOnline]

who can beat jones???

Maybe a "rush" type tactic could catch JJ off guard in the first round? He starts out awkwardly and always gets great coaching between rounds. No one is "undefeatable" and anything can happen in a fight but Jones is winning with such dominance his future opponents may start to doubt themselves before the fight happens.

[jacktheknife]

All that's left to see is how he handles an high level shooter, which he will one way or another.

[brooks85]

id say the odds are better he loses at HW first

[sideloaded]

Did anyone see how much machida slowed down after one take down? It's amazing how much fighters lose all confidence once Jones puts his hands on them. Thats why I think strong wrestlers like Mo, Davis and Rashad could give Jones a problem. They would be able to handle the strength and not completely lose confidence. I would like to see his defensive wrestling.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Just got home from the bar, what a show!!!! Big nog ****** up! Should have never went for that sub, should have just kept pounding. I thought he was on his way to title contention.... My heart was broken

I'll admit I'm sold on jones now

I looked throught the thread and some of your guys' picks, seems like it was a rough night for many. Sorry to those of you who lost, it happens and you'll be back... Congrats to the winners and especially the few that were on korean zombie, much respect!

I'm lucky I didn't get the hominick opener because I would have stacked a shit load on him at anything under -300. THank god he opened on my site at -380.

Roomates and I maxed out two accounts on lil nog at 500 win on each. lost 50 on machida and lost every parlay due to hamman and ******* antonnito, about 80. Did make str8 line plays on bocek and jabouiun (unbiased I thought jabioun lost, got lucky for sure). Good night in the end, could have been better had the parlays not been wrecked.

Hope everyone enjoyed the show, cheers.

HENDO - JONES ------> WOOT!

[Poppa Catfish]

I expected a lot more bitching and moaning about how Nog was screwed. Pleasantly surprised by the responses here, but damn the TKO ruling sounds awful. Sorry for anybody screwed by that.

Great night of fights

[NYSportsGuy210]

Wow great UFC 140 fight night. Card lived up to the hype. Intriguing fight styles left and right and a ton of under dog wins in the first round on the under card.

You can catch all the fights right here and past ones:

http://www.allthebestfights.com

[GunShard]

I didn't risk much but I won regardless.

Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 11/19/11 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1001 Dan Henderson +100* vs Mauricio Rua
Win 11/19/11 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1301 Martin Kampmann +130* vs Rick Story
Win 12/10/11 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1002 Jon Jones -420* vs Lyoto Machida

Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 10/29/11 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1601 Donald Cerrone -230 vs Dennis Siver
Win 11/19/11 9:00pm UFC Fighting 1301 Martin Kampmann +130* vs Rick Story
Win 12/10/11 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1002 Jon Jones -420* vs Lyoto Machida

[Vaughany]

WOW Unibet have agreed with my complaint and changed it to Mir by TKO/KO grading! Saved my night! Paddy and Skybet are sticking to their guns but the unibet one was the one I had most money on as it's the only site (up until now) that I haven't been limited to single figures on!

[sweepem]

WOW Unibet have agreed with my complaint and changed it to Mir by TKO/KO grading! Saved my night! Paddy and Skybet are sticking to their guns but the unibet one was the one I had most money on as it's the only site (up until now) that I haven't been limited to single figures on!

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

WOW Unibet have agreed with my complaint and changed it to Mir by TKO/KO grading! Saved my night! Paddy and Skybet are sticking to their guns

how are payouts from skybet?

[hels]

Betfair graded the fight a win by submission for Mir and here is the email they sent me. I am not pleased. Should I file a complaint with sbr?



Dear hels,


I have consulted our market operations team and they have confirmed the following information.
Mir actually won by a submission which under UFC rules is not deemed a TKO, confirmation regarding UFC match outcomes can be found via the below link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship

Kind regards

Thomas Low
Premium Account Executive

vip@betfair.com <mailto:vip@betfair.com>

[hels]

My response:

I am confused as to how all of the other rules on fight outcomes are graded directly after Bruce Buffer has announced the fight referee or the ring judges decision.
The referee (Herb Dean) stopped the fight when he saw Nogs arm snap. He deemed the fighter was unable to intelligently defend himself and stopped the fight. That is why Herb Dean reported it a Technical Knockout as stated in the 'match outcomes.'

• Technical Knockout (TKO): If the referee decides a fighter cannot continue, the fight is ruled as a technical knockout. Technical knockouts can be classified into three categories:
  • referee stoppage (the referee ends the fight because one fighter is unable to intelligently defend himself)
  • doctor stoppage (a ring side doctor decides that it is unsafe for the fighter to continue the bout due to excessive bleeding or physical injuries)
  • corner stoppage (a fighter's cornerman signals defeat for their own fighter

I cannot understand why betfair is not upholding the official ringside decision. Can you please advise me on how the word of Bruce Buffer is always upheld; yet now, betfair is deciding on their own outcome.

Sincerely,

hels