and even if the knee is 100%, which normally isn't the case, I think this is somewhere in the coin flip region. So I can understand taking the + value, but to say "no chance. "
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Mir not winning by submission @ -550 looks like decent parlay material. I don't see either of these guys submitting eachother.Comment -
I was thinking something like this at first, but Mir has hurt people in the past on the feet and then subbed them instead of getting the easy tko/ko. Nelson has a great chin and is good at keeping the fight standing. -550 seems like quite a bit of juice though. Good luck with what you end up deciding.Comment -
No but I remember you claiming Edgar was the best athlete in MMA history a few months back and i remember your avatar with Edgar and the dooche bag smirk on his face in your old avatar. BTW thanks for changing it
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And I got only a couple hundred on Big Country. I don't sit here all day and hedge 3,000 bets a day like you so I can win 5 cents per UFC eventComment -
hahhaah Mr Pride>UFC is back everybody. Missed u fellaNo but I remember you claiming Edgar was the best athlete in MMA history a few months back and i remember your avatar with Edgar and the dooche bag smirk on his face in your old avatar. BTW thanks for changing it.
And I got only a couple hundred on Big Country. I don't sit here all day and hedge 3,000 bets a day like you so I can win 5 cents per UFC event
So Mir has no chance of winning yet u only have a couple hundred on Big Country...okayyyyy
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ay ay ay, here we go again.Comment -
u lost all credibility when u said edgar is the best athlete in mma...hes not even a top 3 lwComment -
this is definately a coin flip match up but roy nelson has the edge in this fight do to his chin mir will be agressive in the beggining and recklace on his defensive takedowns if roy has control of his side mount i see a long day for mir alittle similiar to lesnar but with less dominance. the inside game will be contoled by nelson giving mir no chance to breath and recover. i dont know if it will end early but there is a chance depending on the referee.Comment -
Ok so maybe I exaggerated because I have him #3, but he lost the first Penn fight and he lost both maynard fights. And despite his last loss, I think Sotiropolus would take him.
1. Maynard
2. Melendez
3. Edgar
So Ladle you are basically saying that Edgar not top 3 is more absurd of a statement than Edgar as the best athlete in MMA?Comment -
Yes, that would be more absurd. Who else are you going to put above him? Alvarez? Aoki? Neither of those guys have records which stack up with Edgar's.
Also, what exactly suggests to you that he isn't a fantastic athlete? Are you MMAdisciple under a new account name or something?Comment -
Roy's knee injury is the only reason I am making a medium play on him and not a large one. Generally, I feel it's risky to bet huge on guys coming off significant injuries.
What helps in this scenario is two important factors: one, Roy has so much experience. When a fighter comes off an injury, and a layoff, he will deal and cope with it better the more experience he has. In other words, I believe that the more experience a fighter has before an injury, the closer to 100% he will return in his next fight.
Two, the layoff was long enough to ensure his knee will be 100%, he certainly is not rushing back as some fighters do. If a guy doesn't fight, he doesn't get paid. This is a very strong incentive for guys to return from injuries too soon, and this can be disastrous. Both to the fighter, and to the guys who bet on him.
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I have a large play on roy, and about 70% of that hedged with the over 2.5 rds (got those in between +135 and +120). Roy's a sneaky vet; he knows how to win and he knows how to stay in the fight. Mir wont likely stop him. His effective striking is seriously overrated in my opinion.Comment -
You are too retarded to even give a proper answer to! You have no ability to comprehend what you are reading. I was talking about how Edgar will never be considered a top athlete because of his personality and because people don't take things like determination, work-rate, mental toughness in to account when judging "great athletes". All I was saying that in my opinion a true athlete isn't just somebody who is amazingly talented and flashy but rather somebody like Edgar who constantly improves and overcomes the odds (as Edgar did twice against BJ Penn).Comment -
He's 0-2 against maynard and 1-1 vs penn...
He is without a doubt one of the most overrated fighters in the UFC. He can't finish a sandwich. He's as boring as baseball, and Alvarez, Melendez, and Maynard are all better. Ken Flo would've also killed him if he stayed at LW and you and I both know that he would be an underdog if he fought Penn again.
He's an above average wrestler with pillow fists...he runs or lay n prays for 15-25 minutes in all his fights.Comment -
In your opinion. I agree that Edgar should have lost the first Penn fight, but he looked pristine in every facet of MMA in the rematch. You can't argue that he beat Penn very soundly.
So you'd put Alvarez above him now? Just so you know, rankings are predicated on who you beat and how you beat them, not stupid opinions like "Ken Flo would've killed him if he stayed at lightweight".
He's finished more people than Maynard (and a higher quality of opposition, too).
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First off, seems smart, I too think its extremely risky to bet huge off a guy off significant injury; and I'm fairly certain we can come up with ample examples to support this angle.
Second part I'm not as much in agreement, sure you can spin it that way; you can also spin it the way that with the extra experience comes age, and older people simply do not spring back from injuries like their spry counterparts. I think its a give some take some, not sure that you end up ahead in the equation.
Last part makes a lot of sense to me, I can buy it.
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Because Penn just gets the benefit of the doubt for all of his losses. I'm not saying it's justified, but when GSP is -170 against Penn and Penn is -300 vs Edgar in the rematch, you can't argue that Penn gets a lot of love from Vegas....and I really can't believe GSP is -550 against Diaz considering how GSP looked recently.Comment -
But BJ was +140 against GSP...GSP at -170 is unheard of. I like BJ, but he gets way too much credit. Ask Vaughany, who i'm sure was robbed by the draw in Fitch vs BJ because he had Fitch by dec...anyways -170 is what the odds should be against Diaz because he's a very dangerous matchup for GSP. He's 100x tougher than GSP, closer to his prime than anyone GSP has fought, and more well-rounded than anyone GSP has ever fought (except maybe BJ).
Anyways, Frankie Edgar is overrated. You know it and I know it. He's not a top 10 fighter in the world and will never finish a fighter who isn't a can. He just gets lots of giftwrapped decisions, like Bisping, Forrest, or Leonard Garcia.
Aldo, Cruz, Diaz, Jones, GSP, Anderson, Hendo, Velasquez, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Maynard all deserve to be ranked higher than Edgar. Hell I'd even put Rashad, Melendez, and Ellenberger above him. He eeks out decisions and is unwatchable. The only thing he has is a wife with possibly the nicest booty I've ever seen.Comment -
That's because BJ is an extremely talented, well-rounded fighter. He's not the most consistent, but the credit he gets is justified.
How did you go about quantifying that?
He fought BJ, Fitch, Koscheck and Sherk in their primes.
Also, remember that Diaz is only 27.
Diaz is always going to struggle with wrestlers who have a robust top game because the hole in his game is (and always has been) his defensive wrestling. GSP happens to be the best offensive wrestler in the sport. The odds are the way they are for a reason.
That's nonsense. You can't rank Ellenberger higher than Edgar right now because he hasn't beaten anywhere near the same level of competition. Once again, rankings are based on who you beat and how you beat them.Aldo, Cruz, Diaz, Jones, GSP, Anderson, Hendo, Velasquez, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Maynard all deserve to be ranked higher than Edgar. Hell I'd even put Rashad, Melendez, and Ellenberger above him. He eeks out decisions and is unwatchable. The only thing he has is a wife with possibly the nicest booty I've ever seen.
That aside, I agree with you about his wife.Comment -
Yes, this is a trend I realized in the first few years I bet onn MMA. It's clear that certain injuries affect performance, sometimes it takes a fight (or 2 or even 3) for a fighter to regain full mobility, strength, and the same level of performance.
However, this is highly fighter-specific, as we can list examples for weeks that show some guys return at the same level, and some take a while to regain that former level. It's very individualistic, which is why I tend to err on the side of caution.
Think of it in terms of ring rust, too. A seasoned veteran has many hours of fighting the cage under his belt. He is injured, comes back, and fights. Now take a new fighter, with little time at the top levels. He is injured, comes back, and fights.
Will there be a minor difference in their repective performances after returning (typically speaking)? I think so.
Think of your job. If you left it after working it for only a few months and took a lot of time off, then returned, how hard would you find it to adjust to the job again (at first)? What if you worked that job for 2 years straight, then took a lot of time off, then returned, how hard to adjust to the job then upon return?
Much easier in the second scenario, right? Very logical, and true imo. So, why would fighting be any different from any other job in that regard? Experience means a lot in how guys come back from injuries (generally).
But your point about age is very important. The younger a fighter, naturally the easier to rebound from an injury. Roy is almost 35, and that is about pushing the upper limit for being able to come back at 100% imo. Or even near 100%. Other factors: that fighter's injury history, and the level of professionalism of the rehab and physical therapy.
So, I think Roy's experience will be of great help to him returning from injury, but his age is def a little worrisome, too. Which is why I like a decent play on him at + money, but not for a large wager.
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the way i see it .if country wins with his 30plus pounds of fat then mir should retire.if mir wins then country needs to turn his fat into muscle and then demand a rematch.my money is on mir but if he loses then he is no longer a quality contender.congo would love a rematch.Comment
