Whose the best MMA fighter pound for pound?

[Shelton]

idk thats hard to call cant wait to see

[Kaladarus]

Idiotic.

Fedor won't get "beaten for real" because he refuses to face real competition.

Idiotic.

You have a good point Fedor has refused to face real competition many times. Oh wait, no he hasn't, actually he's never refused a fight. Name one fight Fedor has ever refused. As far as him facing real competition goes, talk to Dana White, who refuses to come to terms with the greatest of all time.

[Eccocide]

Idiotic.

You have a good point Fedor has refused to face real competition many times. Oh wait, no he hasn't, actually he's never refused a fight. Name one fight Fedor has ever refused. As far as him facing real competition goes, talk to Dana White, who refuses to come to terms with the greatest of all time.

lol im not going to get into a Fedor nuthugging battle, but please. Blame M-1 and Fedor for not going to the UFC. He was offered a ridiculous amount of money and given all of the terms he wanted other than co-promotion which would be the dumbest and most idiotic business move in sports history. Its a business not a video game. His management have done nothing but screw up horribly, not just by not going to the UFC. Even with Strikeforce they have dropped the ball. They declined to have him fight Overeem on May 15 on CBS and instead chose to have him fight a lesser known opponent on a premium channel in a smaller venue....and he lost to make it even worse. He was fighting top flight competition during his 4 or so year Pride run, but the last 4 years have been anemic. I'm a fan of the guy, but I don't treat him like some kind of enigma. I believe he'd have his hands full with the top 4 HW's in the UFC, although we will never see it now as his management has lost all bargaining power after this loss.

[Atomicdog]

I think GSP & Shogun right now.

[JohnGalt2341]

Fedor is laughable after that showing.

Laughable because he got caught in a triangle choke by a 2 time World Jiujitsu Champion? I can assure you that if it were you in the same hold you would have tapped around 15 seconds sooner. It's amusing to me that people think Fedor is overrated because he lost a single fight to a great fighter. He still has the best record in the history of MMA by a mile. Have people forgotten that GSP got beaten down by Matt Serra? Fabricio Werdum is about a million times better than Matt Serra in every discipline and yet people still consider GSP one of the best P4P fighters. And he is. Fedor didn't get beaten down. He got caught by one of the best BJJ practitioners on the planet. There is no doubt that Anderson Silva and GSP are #1 and #2 now. But lets not forgot some of Anderson Silva's losses. Here's one of my favorite:

Look how quickly Anderson tapped. Does this make Anderson Silva laughable? No, not even at the time of this event. He's just a great fighter that got caught in a submission. MMA fights are similar to MLB Playoff games. If a team or a fighter can win 10 or 12 in a row they are undoubtedly great and likely one of the best teams or fighters ever. If they win 28 in row, they are the best ever. That's Fedor.

[JohnGalt2341]

[Kaladarus]

Why should Fedor have to fight the top HW in the world? His natural weight is about the same as Anderson Silva's and GSP is only about 25 pounds lighter naturally. It doesn't really have much to do with anything when considering P4P. Also this thread isn't trying to find out the current P4P best, its asking for the P4P best. Even if you don't consider him to be the top P4P right now, he is or at least was, the greatest P4P fighter of all time. If P4P was a ratio, fighter to fighter, that ratio would almost always be against him. This isn't the case for other fighters on peoples lists. Also anyone that wants can bring up Fedor's management. Maybe it's not something he can get out of. The bottom line is that Fedor has never refused a fight.

[ThisGuy]

At this point you have to say Anderson AINEC. The way he has just mopped up his competition while keeping that record is much more impressive than anyone else right now. I would give Shogun a decent chance of beating him though.

[cky312]

Personally, Anderson, Fedor, GSP, Jose Aldo in that order.

Responding to an earlier post about Anderson refuses to go to the ground, but no one has ever been very successful at holding him down. Can't blame the guy for that, same can be argued for GSP, until somebody can hold him off, I don't see why he shouldn't fight where he fights best. Also, perhaps other than his first fight with BJ and Serra, I don't recall him ever came close to losing a standup exchange. Though GSP is as much technical as any fighter in the world, it's not second nature to him, he doesn't have the natural fighter instincts the other three fighters I've mentioned have. Hence I have him at my third spot.

I've always had Anderson before Fedor in my personal rankings due to how Anderson flat out dominates most of his fights to a point of humiliation as opposed to Fedor, who "fights through" his fights by figure out the opponent as he goes most of the time. GSP doesn't possess this instinct so he relies on game planning and works harder than almost anyone out there to make up for it. IMO he'll forever be behind Anderson and Fedor in my rankings. Unless I see him develop that fighter sense as opposed to relying on just a game plan, if anyone ever manages to solve his puzzle.

Fedor didn't slip in my ranks since Anderson has had an ugly loss (above video of Chonan's sub), so did GSP (quick tap on Hughes, Serra as well to a certain degree). And I'll just disregard this Werdum loss as an anomaly as I have for Anderson and GSP, that is ofcourse unless he loses another fight in convincing fashion again.

I'll admit I'm the biggest Jose nuthugger on SBR, been a fan since his WEC debut against Nogueira. I'd rank him first if my ranking morals would allow it, but me ranking him fourth isn't without merit. He has also like Anderson completely obliterated all competition since their respective debuts at their current promotion. Aldo isn't ranked higher due to the relatively shallower and less well known weight class, but I think he'll prove his worth and climb the ranks whenever he decides to step up to 155.

[Marigold HD]

GSP....thank you

[Vaughany]

*who's

[urge2kill]

I'd say Anderson is #1 and GSP #2 just because Anderson has moved up in weight to clown more dangerous opponents and GSP hasn't.

[Emily_Haines]

cyborg

[brooks85]

i would take her over cung le

[36mafia]

I bet she is fantastic in the sack.

she would **** the shit out of you, literally. maybe even put you in a coma

[keyboarding]

Idiotic. You have a good point Fedor has refused to face real competition many times. Oh wait, no he hasn't, actually he's never refused a fight. Name one fight Fedor has ever refused. As far as him facing real competition goes, talk to Dana White, who refuses to come to terms with the greatest of all time.

Clearly you don't watch MMA or don't know the real history behind Fedor. Look at the last few fights in Fedor's "pound for pound best" career: Coleman (nearly 42 years old), Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland who competes usually at 185 pounds, Hong Man Choi, Sylvia who was on the downswing of his career, Arlovski also on his downswing, and Brett Rogers who months before the fight started to train MMA full-time.

If people think Fedor's streak or record puts him in today's talks of pound for pound best, they are fukking retarded.

It's amusing to me that people think Fedor is overrated because he lost a single fight to a great fighter. He still has the best record in the history of MMA by a mile.

Why should Fedor have to fight the top HW in the world? His natural weight is about the same as Anderson Silva's and GSP is only about 25 pounds lighter naturally. It doesn't really have much to do with anything when considering P4P.

The bottom line is that Fedor has never refused a fight.

He's overrated because his record is against mostly scrubs. His real record against legit opponents is not nearly as impressive, and had he faced the kind of competition that UFC would have offered him, especially now with that stacked HW division, he'd have a lot close fights. Lesnar, Carwin, Cain Velasquez are all much more legitimate fighters than Rogers or Werdum. Especially Lesnar, who is bigger and faster than Fedor.

Why whould Fedor have to fight the top HWs in the world? That question is fukking stupid. He's in the HW division, if he doesn't want to fight the best in his division, drop a weight class. It makes me laugh that Fedor fanboys will boast about how he fights people so much bigger than him and dominates, but when he loses, he shouldn't have to fight guys bigger than him. What a fukking joke. Bunch of Fedor apologists in this thread.

And no, he has never refused a fight, but he also has never been in a fight he needed to refuse.

[telemetrik]

GSP and anderson, others are miles behind

[Ryangene]

Love it how all the Fedor lovers have went into hiding.

[phillybadboy]

nam pham is the best, or jose aldo

[hoopster42]

1. gsp
2. and silva
3. fedor

then a huge dropoff

[Vaughany]

Jonathan Goulet

[Onefreedm1nd]

Anderson Silva, no doubt

[phillybadboy]

has anyone ever seen nam pham recently? last i saw he was on strikeforce nbc

[PingPong]

it's still fedor!

[JohnGalt2341]

This message is for "keyboarding", particularly for his message #51. First off, you quoted me saying a bunch of stuff that I never said. My message is #40. You only quoted 1 sentence of mine and didn't respond to it. You seemed to be responding to what someone else said even though my name was in the quotes. Read message #40 again and tell me what I am wrong about. Secondly, it seems to me that we have a different definition of the word "downswing". You said Sylvia and Arlovski were both on Downswings. Sylvia was 7 and 2 in his last 9 fights before he fought Fedor. His only losses were against Big Nog and Randy Couture both of whom were fighting extremely well at the time. I suppose you could call that a downswing but I wouldn't say so. Arlovski had 5 extremely impressive wins in a row before he fought Fedor. And these 5 wins were against very tough competition. I don't see how in the hell you could possibly consider that a downswing? Brock has NEVER had 5 wins in a row and I would be sort of surprised if he ever does. Does this mean he's on a downswing? What happened to these fighters after Fedor fought them is not Fedor's fault. Fedor may be knocking these guys into a downswing but there is no way in hell they were on a downswing when he fought them. I'm probably not as good at spotting downswings as you are. Could you name a couple of fighters that are on 5 fight winning streaks or more that are currently on a downswing? What about Jake Shields? Is he on a downswing? How about Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin? If Fedor fought Chuck Liddell or Keith Jardine right now I would say... "He fought them when they were on a downswing." I'm guessing you're only good at calling the downswings after they happen like most people are. There's not 1 person on the planet that thought Arlovski was on a downswing at the time he fought Fedor. Freddie Roach certainly didn't, in fact I remember him guaranteeing Arlovski would KO Fedor.

[westerner]

this guy

[westerner]

Clearly you don't watch MMA or don't know the real history behind Fedor. Look at the last few fights in Fedor's "pound for pound best" career: Coleman (nearly 42 years old), Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland who competes usually at 185 pounds, Hong Man Choi, Sylvia who was on the downswing of his career, Arlovski also on his downswing, and Brett Rogers who months before the fight started to train MMA full-time. If people think Fedor's streak or record puts him in today's talks of pound for pound best, they are fukking retarded. He's overrated because his record is against mostly scrubs. His real record against legit opponents is not nearly as impressive, and had he faced the kind of competition that UFC would have offered him, especially now with that stacked HW division, he'd have a lot close fights. Lesnar, Carwin, Cain Velasquez are all much more legitimate fighters than Rogers or Werdum. Especially Lesnar, who is bigger and faster than Fedor. Why whould Fedor have to fight the top HWs in the world? That question is fukking stupid. He's in the HW division, if he doesn't want to fight the best in his division, drop a weight class. It makes me laugh that Fedor fanboys will boast about how he fights people so much bigger than him and dominates, but when he loses, he shouldn't have to fight guys bigger than him. What a fukking joke. Bunch of Fedor apologists in this thread. And no, he has never refused a fight, but he also has never been in a fight he needed to refuse.

Anderson Silva has fought mostly scrubs and people put him at P4P #1 even though 2 of them ******* tapped him! The guys that tapped him weren't even cans in his weight class, they were 170s and he's a huge 185er. A.Silva for P4P is a joke.

edit: the only bigger joke is that Brock should be the #1 HW now because he beat... Mir, Randy and Herring?! hahahhaha ooookay. Mir is a flake, Overeem would blast his curly hair straight and Werdum would tap him. I doubt he can catch Cain or JDS, Mir is the most overrated HW in history. Randy is a 45 yr old LHW and Herring is game but he's herring. I mean really. Cain or JDS are both better fighters and have accomplished more than Brock or Carwin. I like Brock and he should stomp Carwin but that won't make him better than Cain or JDS, Werdum or Fedor either.

[Pabinator]

Like ive always said around Here, Fedor is the most overratted fighter. Again that comes with being one of the best territory but he hasnt fought the best compitetion. I think Lesnar (when healthy) woulda wrestled him down no problem.

But #1 has to be Anderson because he makes it look so easy

#2 GSP

[westerner]

Like ive always said around Here, Fedor is the most overratted fighter. Again that comes with being one of the best territory but he hasnt fought the best compitetion. I think Lesnar (when healthy) woulda wrestled him down no problem. But #1 has to be Anderson because he makes it look so easy #2 GSP

I wonder what your record is like... did Anderson make it look easy getting hit by the striking monster that is Maia for the last 2 rounds, showing no stomach for the finish? How about vs Leites or Cote when he was too scared not even to get inside, too scared to even LEAD! He's been tapped not once but twice and clearly by 2 welterweights who NEVER have been ranked, ever, and Chonan was beating him before the finish.

Fedor has beat numerous top 10 opponents, at least 5 or 6 and at least 3 or 4 top 5 wins. How many does Brock have? one. and he lost to a then unranked opponent.

reality =/= marketing

[keyboarding]

This message is for "keyboarding", particularly for his message #51. First off, you quoted me saying a bunch of stuff that I never said. My message is #40. You only quoted 1 sentence of mine and didn't respond to it. You seemed to be responding to what someone else said even though my name was in the quotes. Read message #40 again and tell me what I am wrong about.

You are right. My apologies for that.

Secondly, it seems to me that we have a different definition of the word "downswing". You said Sylvia and Arlovski were both on Downswings. Sylvia was 7 and 2 in his last 9 fights before he fought Fedor. His only losses were against Big Nog and Randy Couture both of whom were fighting extremely well at the time. I suppose you could call that a downswing but I wouldn't say so. Arlovski had 5 extremely impressive wins in a row before he fought Fedor. And these 5 wins were against very tough competition. I don't see how in the hell you could possibly consider that a downswing? What happened to these fighters after Fedor fought them is not Fedor's fault. Fedor may be knocking these guys into a downswing but there is no way in hell they were on a downswing when he fought them.

I'm not saying it's Fedor's "fault" that they were on the downswing. You just think it's a coincidence? His past fights have either been against scrubs or against guys who just so happened to go on to lose pretty much after fight after him? Come on. These guys are hand picked for Fedor to beat up on. Neither of them made bounce backs in their careers. They were done. And the guys they beat before Fedor were probably scrubs, too.

I'm probably not as good at spotting downswings as you are. Could you name a couple of fighters that are on 5 fight winning streaks or more that are currently on a downswing? What about Jake Shields? Is he on a downswing? How about Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin? If Fedor fought Chuck Liddell or Keith Jardine right now I would say... "He fought them when they were on a downswing." I'm guessing you're only good at calling the downswings after they happen like most people are. There's not 1 person on the planet that thought Arlovski was on a downswing at the time he fought Fedor. Freddie Roach certainly didn't, in fact I remember him guaranteeing Arlovski would KO Fedor.

See, this is my issue with what you are saying. You are comparing him to Liddell and Jardine. I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the pound for pound best fighter in the world. If you want to talk about good fighters, that's another discussion. I'm talking about the undisputable fact that many, many of Fedor's wins in his "impressive" record were against soft opponents.

A.Silva for P4P is a joke.

Not sure why you think anyone takes you seriously after you say something that stupid.

I wonder what your record is like... did Anderson make it look easy getting hit by the striking monster that is Maia for the last 2 rounds, showing no stomach for the finish?

When you're great at what you do, sometimes boredom makes you do stupid things. To question Silva as one of the best in the world because he was bored is just stupid.

[illmatick]

Tie between Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo. I've come to the conclusion that Brazilians are the superior race

[phillybadboy]

Bruce Lee is the best, he would have beat them all in his weight class

[doubleleg]

Anderson

[36mafia]

Bruce Lee is the best, he would have beat them all in his weight class

would get taken down and subbed in a min

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

I'd say Anderson is #1 and GSP #2 just because Anderson has moved up in weight to clown more dangerous opponents and GSP hasn't.

No problem with people who think Silva is better, but if you feel he's better because he moved up to beat Irvin and Griffin i'd disagree with that. They were taylor made for Silva. griffin was a former champ but most likley the worst LHW champ the UFC has seen. Its like saying GSP would be better if he moved up to wreck Dave Menne. I'd much rather see him fight better 170 pounders