Vaughany's MMA Picks...

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

Did a Charlie from It's Always Sunny get a hold of Kos's twitter or is he really that illiterate?

Twitter doesn't let you enter more than 140 characters, that's why it looks that way.

You made it clear you don't know anything about Twitter when you said only girls use hashtags. lol

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 04:09 PM

I'm thinking Bendo + Fight Goes over 4.5 are good plays.

I think either one or both will hit.

I like Bendo winning the belt in Japan more than anywhere else, because he looks kind of Asian. ha

(The Japanese might notice that, too, and it might be like having a hometown advantage! lol)

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I'm thinking Bendo + Fight Goes over 4.5 are good plays.

I think either one or both will hit.

I like Bendo winning the belt in Japan more than anywhere else, because he looks kind of Asian. ha

(The Japanese might notice that, too, and it might be like having a hometown advantage! lol)

lol He has Korean family...his mother is Korean/American so that would explain why he looks kind of Asian! He'll actually be fighting in front of cousins and uncles that he hasnt seen in a while.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 04:32 PM

I'd wait if I were betting Bendo. I like Frankie all day, but I'd feel robbed if I took Bendo at like +105 or Even. Seems like you should be able to get +125 by fight time. I could be wrong though.

**Beelzebubzy** · 02-19-12, 04:36 PM

An article at weekly said that bendo has gained muscle. I'm wondering of there will be any negative impact on his game. Has he made 155 in recent fights? Iirc he is usually at 156. Don't expect much of an impact his cardio is probably best in mma

Did either him or Frankie fly out yet?

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

You liking Frankie Vaugh? Hard to tell with the hedges and multiple plays. I think people continue to underrate him. It is getting down to an even -110 split in some places. That seems pretty ridiculous. Not many champs are favored so little. And is it safe to say Bendo isn't some future of the sport, division changing prospect?

I just think Frankie is being undervalued...yet again... and I highly doubt the line gets any better.

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

I'm not finding any advantages that Bendo has other than size. And Frankie has dealt with being the smaller man for his whole career. I really don't see one aspect that Bendo is better than Frankie in.

If we get away from the on paper stuff, I feel Frankie has beat some top LWs already in Penn and Maynard. He seems to get better each time too. I think -115 is a great price on a champ as well-rounded as Frankie.

I don't necessarily like Henderson or Edgar but at current odds I would lean Henderson as I think he has slightly more chance of finishing the fight and at plus odds helps boost some parlays that I can hedge out of with Frankie by decision.

Frankie is my favourite fighter in MMA, but I dont think I can bring myself to bet on him in this one, at least not straight up. Aside from the size, great chin and sub defence, and leg-kicks that Henderson brings to the table, I think the key thing to consider here is Henderson's ability to have and implement a game-plan. It didn't seem in either of the BJ fights or even Maynard fights that they really had a gameplan, or at least didnt stick to their gameplans. In both fights, BJ just pretty much stood in the centre of the octagon trying to counter and at times push forward only to see Frankie darting in and out at angles for 25 minutes. He then went and did pretty much the same in the rematch but got beat only more decisively! Then Maynard went out and battered Frankie in the first round of each of their fights, then went on to look for the finishing blow which never game, partly due to forgetting about setting his punches up and partly because he'd got tired out from trying to finish Frankie. Henderson on the other-hand wont just stand in the centre, he will look to push the pace and take the fight to Frankie. He wont just get carried away with trying to knock him out, he'll look to grind Frankie against the cage and work knees and elbows, he'll look to take Frankie down and work gnp, or guillotine attempts during a scramble. If Frankie tries to take Henderson down he'll either be looking to latch on to a guillotine or bouncing right back up.

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

An article at weekly said that bendo has gained muscle. I'm wondering of there will be any negative impact on his game. Has he made 155 in recent fights? Iirc he is usually at 156. Don't expect much of an impact his cardio is probably best in mma

Did either him or Frankie fly out yet?

Pretty sure Henderson flew out with Escudero earlier today, Frankie arrived yesterday.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 04:48 PM

Interesting that you think Bendo has a better chance of finishing. Pretty much all of his finishes are by sub. I can't see him subbing Frankie. I think Bendo's BJJ gets overrated. They are both brown belts and one trains with Renzo Gracie on the daily. I highly doubt we see any sort of a sub finish.

The kicks are a good point. But I just think Bendo is too slow with his strikes to really hurt him with kicks. I think Frankie can dodge most of them or peel inside with a combo when Ben goes for a kick.

As for the wrestling. I really don't think Bendo has amazing wrestling. Frankie has the better pedigree...and each time Maynard and him clinched he held his own or won the battle. ANd I value Maynard's wrestling more than Bendo's. I think the wrestling is quite even and if either is taken down they will just get back up pretty quick.

Jim Miller said he was battling infection in that Bendo fight. And Miller isn't the sort of guy to make those things up. I don't put as much stock in that win now.

Ben has been in 5 rounders. But not since he has added so much bulk. He will have to be an even 155 for this fight. So I don't think people can just assume he will be as fresh as Edgar if it gets into deep waters. His 5 round fights happened when he was a smaller, less muscled man.

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

Interesting that you think Bendo has a better chance of finishing. Pretty much all of his finishes are by sub. I can't see him subbing Frankie. I think Bendo's BJJ gets overrated. They are both brown belts and one trains with Renzo Gracie on the daily. I highly doubt we see any sort of a sub finish.

The kicks are a good point. But I just think Bendo is too slow with his strikes to really hurt him with kicks. I think Frankie can dodge most of them or peel inside with a combo when Ben goes for a kick.

As for the wrestling. I really don't think Bendo has amazing wrestling. Frankie has the better pedigree...and each time Maynard and him clinched he held his own or won the battle. ANd I value Maynard's wrestling more than Bendo's. I think the wrestling is quite even and if either is taken down they will just get back up pretty quick.

Jim Miller said he was battling infection in that Bendo fight. And Miller isn't the sort of guy to make those things up. I don't put as much stock in that win now.

Ben has been in 5 rounders. But not since he has added so much bulk. He will have to be an even 155 for this fight. So I don't think people can just assume he will be as fresh as Edgar if it gets into deep waters. His 5 round fights happened when he was a smaller, less muscled man.

Agreed, a finish is unlikely by either. Just think that Henderson will probably take more chances. Yeah tht Jim Miller kidney infection does kind of throw a spanner in to the works for anybody that is basing their Hendo pick on tht performance. He did also get dropped by Miller in the second round but showed great recovery. Gonna be a great fight...think FOTN will be my main play at reasonable odds

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 05:31 PM

I was coming into this line thinking I'd be in the minority thinking it would be a good fight. I figured to see Frankie around -150 to -180. But they are basically giving almost even odds right now.

I think for sure it will be a good fight. I think this division will produce a lot of good, competitive fights for a while. But I do think Edgar is becoming a great champion. He looks improved each time out. With his KO punch of Maynard. And being able to come back. He is showing he can beat people in multiple ways.

Wonder what the FOTN odds will be. I was lucky enough to not see a good enough line to play Condit/Diaz FOTN. I wanted to jump on a +120 opener, but didn't see anything at plus odds. Good thing the Natural Born Sprinter did his thing. I thought that was easy money.

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Twitter doesn't let you enter more than 140 characters, that's why it looks that way.

You made it clear you don't know anything about Twitter when you said only girls use hashtags. lol

He doesn't have the ability to deliver a concise thought in less than 140 characters? That tweet is very difficult to read.

Also, you used hashtags outside of Twitter, which is very gay. The only other people I know who do that are douchey teenage girls and boys that went to my high school lol.

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

I'd wait if I were betting Bendo. I like Frankie all day, but I'd feel robbed if I took Bendo at like +105 or Even. Seems like you should be able to get +125 by fight time. I could be wrong though.

I thought Frankie would be dog by fight time...

Originally posted by Vitooch

He doesn't have the ability to deliver a concise thought in less than 140 characters? That tweet is very difficult to read. Also, you used hashtags outside of Twitter, which is very gay. The only other people I know who do that are douchey teenage girls and boys that went to my high school lol.

You're a teenager? #LOL

Yeah, I used hashtags outside Twitter. #respek

That tweet isn't difficult to read at all, just has words spaced together to fit the 140 char. #keepinitreal

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 06:18 PM

Edson Barboza vs Evan Dunham signed for UFC 146... #TOTALLYGNARLY

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 06:18 PM

I figure the public will come in on the champ by fight time. Wouldn't you think? Bendo isn't that big of a name. Most of the public would throw on the champ especially at pretty close odds wouldn't they?

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Edson Barboza vs Evan Dunham signed for UFC 146

Nice! Been a fan of both guys.

**Vaughany** · 02-19-12, 06:19 PM

Dont envisage much of a swing either way

**getlucky2win** · 02-19-12, 06:31 PM

i like barboza wonder what line will be

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I thought Frankie would be dog by fight time...

You're a teenager? #LOL

Yeah, I used hashtags outside Twitter. #respek

That tweet isn't difficult to read at all, just has words spaced together to fit the 140 char. #keepinitreal

No wonder no on the forums like you

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Edson Barboza vs Evan Dunham signed for UFC 146... #TOTALLYGNARLY

I don't like this fight.

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Rubber Guard

I figure the public will come in on the champ by fight time. Wouldn't you think? Bendo isn't that big of a name. Most of the public would throw on the champ especially at pretty close odds wouldn't they?

public came on maynard just before fight time

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

No wonder no on the forums like you

false statement, i've got some fans.

good to know you're a teenager, though.

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by gabe

false statement, i've got some fans.

good to know you're a teenager, though.

I don't know man, it seems like most people here dislike you.

**fosho14** · 02-19-12, 07:13 PM

How does Fukuda lose to Cantwell? It's not going to happen, I'll play Fukuda large

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I don't know man, it seems like most people here dislike you.

funny how we go from no one liking me to most people not liking me lol

you used to be friendly towards me, i guess you were just kissing me ass ha

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by gabe

funny how the word 'everybody' turns into 'most'

Does the fact that most people like you as opposed to everybody comforting?

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

Does the fact that most people like you as opposed to everybody comforting?

i don't care if most people like me or if everybody likes me. i don't care what you think of me, random teenager on an internet gambling forum.

**fosho14** · 02-19-12, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by gabe

i don't care if most people like me or if everybody likes me. i don't care what you think of me, random teenager on an internet gambling forum.

I know it's hard, but can we please try to stick to mma analysis lol.

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 07:44 PM

If you dont care what people think of you, then why do you bother going on a gambling forum and sharing your plays?

**fosho14** · 02-19-12, 07:47 PM

Vitooch, is your avatar a joke? I think we can all agree that drive was the worst film of 2011!

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 07:48 PM

I dont think we can all agree on that. I know a few people on this forum that said they liked it!

**Vitooch** · 02-19-12, 07:51 PM

Ok gabe. I'm going to stop arguing because this is counter-productive.

**Rubber Guard** · 02-19-12, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by gabe

public came on maynard just before fight time

The 2nd fight? Well Maynard beat him back in the day and fought him to a Draw. It is different in the fact that Bendo has never beat Edgar and they have never fought.

So they are 2 way different things really.

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

If you dont care what people think of you, then why do you bother going on a gambling forum and sharing your plays?

Because I think I'm good and want to share my plays. Duh.

Hey V, vitooch here is saying you've made this thread so people will like you.

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I dont think we can all agree on that. I know a few people on this forum that said they liked it!

I loved it.

Originally posted by Vitooch

Ok gabe. I'm going to stop arguing because this is counter-productive.

I wasn't trying to argue, you were, clearly.

**gabe** · 02-19-12, 09:20 PM

alls i can say is if frankie finishes bendo, i'm fkd