UFC Fight Night 123: Swanson vs. Ortega | Saturday 12.09.2017 (Fresno, CA)

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

I'm confident that Holtzman is the value side even as the favorite. He dominates bums (Pfister and McBride) and stays competitive with fighters that are better then him technically (Emmett and Dober). Also he's a former hockey player which should be a big plus for you!

So you have Horcher somewhere in between bum and Emmett/Dober?

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:14 PM

Gritz seems like a typical MMA Lab fighter. Pretty tough but getting hit with everything.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

So you have Horcher somewhere in between bum and Emmett/Dober?

Yeah definitely more towards the bum side but better than Pfister/McBride

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:16 PM

Ramos is slowing down. Gritz could win a Bryan Barberena type decision

**Sato** · 12-09-17, 07:20 PM

Gritz just eats everything. Doesnt care.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:21 PM

Nice finish for Ramos late. Thought my Ramos ITD was toast

**PaperTrail07** · 12-09-17, 07:23 PM

It looked TOAST lol.... nice win Ramos

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:25 PM

Added Hedges:
Alcantara Round 1 (+300) .5u
Alcantara Submission (+347) .5u

Have Perez to finish out a prop parlay at (+9xx) so I'm doubling down on these hedges for profit.

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Yeah definitely more towards the bum side but better than Pfister/McBride

Good to know. I liked my read on Holtzman just not on Horcher. I think Horcher has some pretty good boxing. Even though he barely got to show anything against Khabib, I thought he still looked less explosive/dynamic in the Powell fight after his accident.

Also, having Devin Powell put you in a bad spot at all is a pretty good sign you aren't high level.

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Added Hedges:
Alcantara Round 1 (+300) .5u
Alcantara Submission (+347) .5u

Have Perez to finish out a prop parlay at (+9xx) so I'm doubling down on these hedges for profit.

I threw Alcantara in a parlay with Alex Perez just cause I wanted to get on Alex Perez and the price was high. I don't love Alcantara here, but I think he's the more skilled guy. Perez will bring a high work rate and if he's durable he could definitely press Alcantara.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Good to know. I liked my read on Holtzman just not on Horcher. I think Horcher has some pretty good boxing. Even though he barely got to show anything against Khabib, I thought he still looked less explosive/dynamic in the Powell fight after his accident.

Also, having Devin Powell put you in a bad spot at all is a pretty good sign you aren't high level.

I agree 100%. We were both sweating Horcher big there haha

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I threw Alcantara in a parlay with Alex Perez just cause I wanted to get on Alex Perez and the price was high. I don't love Alcantara here, but I think he's the more skilled guy. Perez will bring a high work rate and if he's durable he could definitely press Alcantara.

Alcantara has shown better skills throughout his career but I don't think he is the same guy after that Sanders fight. Super old for a BW at 37, tends to fade etc. I think Alcantara wins R1 if he doesn't get the finish and gasses out for Perez to win a close decision.

**thewitchinghour** · 12-09-17, 07:36 PM

war alejandro

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by thewitchinghour

war alejandro

Let's get it!

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:43 PM

Well who the hell won that round? No one.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Well who the hell won that round? No one.

Seems like a tossup round to me. Not much activity from either guy.

**Sato** · 12-09-17, 07:44 PM

Looked like Perez finished stronger with that last flurry there.

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:49 PM

Wow what a crappy fight.

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:53 PM

Alcantara looks like he's fighting on 2 bum legs.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:55 PM

Man I think Perez got this fight. Will be a tight decision. Big swing for me incoming

**Sato** · 12-09-17, 07:56 PM

So that fat lady with a double chin is yelling instructions to Perez? Wow. Speechless.

Perez SD dec. incoming

**Shagdogy** · 12-09-17, 07:57 PM

I think Alcantara has quit. I donno what that fight was. From where he has come from... bad bad bad.

**MMANick** · 12-09-17, 07:58 PM

Neither fighter deserved to win, but I'm not sure how all 3 scored it for Perez.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 07:59 PM

Alright! Nice to win a close decision. That could have gone either way

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Alcantara has shown better skills throughout his career but I don't think he is the same guy after that Sanders fight. Super old for a BW at 37, tends to fade etc. I think Alcantara wins R1 if he doesn't get the finish and gasses out for Perez to win a close decision.

Alcantara took a life changing beating even though he won that Sanders fight

**MMANick** · 12-09-17, 08:01 PM

Perez was horrible too.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 08:01 PM

Off to a great start so far. Let's keep it rolling!

**thewitchinghour** · 12-09-17, 08:06 PM

taking a small play on saenz

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 08:17 PM

Super quick ref standups all night

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 08:24 PM

29-28 Dvalishvili

**PaperTrail07** · 12-09-17, 08:27 PM

WOW....don't agree there....

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-09-17, 08:27 PM

Wow Saenz was (+540) after R2. Don't think he won that fight

**MMANick** · 12-09-17, 08:28 PM

What the hell?

**PaperTrail07** · 12-09-17, 08:28 PM

I mean first the LIGHTNING quick standup now this for judging ....man....rough...

**thewitchinghour** · 12-09-17, 08:29 PM

lol I don't agree with the decision but ill take the money... 2-0

taking the big dogs here in a parlay... both favorites alex perez and sanders in a two teamer... gl all