UFC 198: Werdum vs. Miocic (May 14, 2016)

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  • Hugo de Naranja
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-16
    • 14140

    #141
    Picks for this event: I think it will be finish heavy
    Renato Moicano Rd 2 Submission
    Sergio Moraes Rd 1 Submission
    Francisco Trinaldo Unanimous Decision
    Patrick Cummins Unanimous Decision
    John Lineker Rd 1 TKO
    Thiago Santos Rd 1 KO
    Warlley Alves Rd 2 Submission
    Demian Maia Rd 2 Submission
    Corey Anderson Unanimous Decision
    Cyborg Justino Rd 2 TKO
    Ronaldo Souza Rd 2 Submission
    Fabricio Werdum Rd 4 Submission
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    • shabang
      SBR MVP
      • 02-23-13
      • 1814

      #142
      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
      Picks for this event: I think it will be finish heavy
      Renato Moicano Rd 2 Submission
      Sergio Moraes Rd 1 Submission
      Francisco Trinaldo Unanimous Decision
      Patrick Cummins Unanimous Decision
      John Lineker Rd 1 TKO
      Thiago Santos Rd 1 KO
      Warlley Alves Rd 2 Submission
      Demian Maia Rd 2 Submission
      Corey Anderson Unanimous Decision
      Cyborg Justino Rd 2 TKO
      Ronaldo Souza Rd 2 Submission
      Fabricio Werdum Rd 4 Submission
      seriously doubt moicano will sub tuk , that will most likely go to dec .. I like font over lineker, font won't get into slugging matches with him (he knows he'll get ko'd if he does) and should be able to use his movement to pick him apart. I like the rest, a little unsure about the anderson/shogun fight though.
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      • JIBBBY
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 12-10-09
        • 83686

        #143
        My first 7 plays, I'm not betting crazy on any of the first 6 fights.. No hedging either..

        1st fight -

        $140.00 $103.70 Pending 5/14/16 6:30pm UFC Fighting 2101 Zubaira Tukhugov/Renato Carneiro Over 2½ -135*


        2nd fight -
        $150.00 FP* $100.00 Pending 5/14/16 7:00pm MMA Props Fighting 2031 Moraes wins by submission -150* vs Any other result


        3rd fight -
        $100.00 FP* $240.00 Pending 5/14/16 7:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1909 Cummins wins inside distance +240* vs Not Cummins inside distance


        4th fight -
        $100.00 $125.00 Pending 5/14/16 8:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1833 Lineker wins by TKO/KO +125* vs Any other result


        $100.00 $140.00 Pending 5/14/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1809 Lineker wins inside distance +140* vs Not Lineker inside distance

        5th fight -
        $100.00 $160.00 Pending 5/14/16 8:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1709 Trinaldo wins inside distance +160* vs Not Trinaldo inside distance


        6th fight -
        $150.00 FP* $96.80 Pending 5/14/16 9:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1633 Santos wins by TKO/KO -155* vs Any other result
        7th fight -
        $100.00 $165.00 Pending 5/14/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1531 Maia wins by submission +165* vs Any other result
        $50.00 $250.00 Pending 2 Team Parlay
        Pending 5/14/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1121 Souza wins in round 1 +140* vs Any other result
        Pending 5/14/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1531 Maia wins by submission +150* vs Any other result
        Last edited by JIBBBY; 05-14-16, 02:10 PM.
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        • UncleChael
          SBR MVP
          • 10-30-13
          • 3979

          #144
          2nd fight - Moraes -188 ITD to win 1 unit
          3rd fight - Cummings + Moraes @-141. 2 units.
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          • JIBBBY
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 12-10-09
            • 83686

            #145
            I'm gonna try to pay attention to live betting on this card.. Figure post pending now not to be distracted..

            I may lay off the liquor a little bit perhaps just to stay sharp and dialed in with the live betting between rounds..
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            • JC2008
              SBR MVP
              • 02-27-08
              • 2258

              #146
              I know Cummins is expected to win by decision but I can see him grapplef ucking Nog down and gnp'ing him out in the 3rd round +1600, after seeing Jibby using his FP on him to win inside the distance...
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              • JIBBBY
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 12-10-09
                • 83686

                #147
                Originally posted by JC2008
                I know Cummins is expected to win by decision but I can see him grapplef ucking Nog down and gnp'ing him out in the 3rd round +1600, after seeing Jibby using his FP on him to win inside the distance...
                Yep Old little nog really should get beat up on the ground.. The 2nd and 3rd round finish props are worth considering I agree.. I'm not super confident though as Little Nog will show massive heart fighting in Brazil and on this card.. ITD prop made the most sense to me at those +odds...

                Built up some FP and decided to finally use it with this event ..
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                • Pinoy-T-X
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-28-12
                  • 2176

                  #148
                  Me like a three team parlay
                  13 units to win 9 units
                  Alves
                  Santos
                  Cyborg
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                  • JC2008
                    SBR MVP
                    • 02-27-08
                    • 2258

                    #149
                    Maybe Smith does get beat up badly in the first round but survives to round 2. I have to consider Cyborg round 2 finish, even though I think she will want to make a statement in her debut and probably crushes Smith in the first 30-60 seconds of the fight...

                    I do agree Jacare should win but Belfort may make it to round 2.
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                    • HurlSweatPants
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 07-28-15
                      • 951

                      #150
                      Going to follow on a couple of these with you, haven't had time to cap as much as I would like. GL Fellas, seems like the last two fights we have been killing it, here is to another profitable night.

                      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                      Picks for this event: I think it will be finish heavy
                      Renato Moicano Rd 2 Submission
                      Sergio Moraes Rd 1 Submission
                      Francisco Trinaldo Unanimous Decision
                      Patrick Cummins Unanimous Decision
                      John Lineker Rd 1 TKO
                      Thiago Santos Rd 1 KO
                      Warlley Alves Rd 2 Submission
                      Demian Maia Rd 2 Submission
                      Corey Anderson Unanimous Decision
                      Cyborg Justino Rd 2 TKO
                      Ronaldo Souza Rd 2 Submission
                      Fabricio Werdum Rd 4 Submission
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                      • JC2008
                        SBR MVP
                        • 02-27-08
                        • 2258

                        #151
                        - As always, I will let you all know of the line moves I see before each fight goes off...

                        Line moves have obviously shifted towards Shogun and Font but those have been mentioned, and not as important compared to closer to fight time. I can see Shogun winning a ROBBERY of a decision against Anderson as well in Brazil. We'll see what happens. LIVE betting is where it's always at.
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                        • Shagdogy
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-16-10
                          • 3564

                          #152
                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                          Dustin Porier crushed Yancy.. Does Trinaldo do the same in Brazil?

                          UFC 198 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Arena da Baixada - Curitiba, Brazil - UFC Fight Pass
                          Sat 5/14 1701 Yancy Medeiros +205 o1½ -220
                          8:30PM 1702 Francisco Trinaldo -245 u1½ +180
                          Late to the party here Jibbs, but this is one of the fights I've had a chance to get a good look at. I think Trinaldo wins but not by steamrolling like Poirier. Trinaldo is a more patient striker. Both he and Medeiros like to take some time and find rhythm. What Trinaldo definitely has going for him is all of his power on his left side. Medeiros got cracked a number of times by Poirier's left, and he's the only other recent southpaw he's fought so it doesn't look good for him vs. Trinaldo. I think it stays close on the feet, pretty steady but relaxed pace, with Trinaldo keeping an edge the whole way through. Either decision victory or late finish. If they get in close and clinch up, Trinaldo has some dangerous knees too so he should be good there. Large power and strength adv. for Trinaldo. Good luck sir. Of course this is all just my humble opinion... view it as you may.
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                          • JIBBBY
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 12-10-09
                            • 83686

                            #153
                            Originally posted by JC2008
                            Maybe Smith does get beat up badly in the first round but survives to round 2. I have to consider Cyborg round 2 finish, even though I think she will want to make a statement in her debut and probably crushes Smith in the first 30-60 seconds of the fight...

                            I do agree Jacare should win but Belfort may make it to round 2.
                            I'm reading and hearing Smith is REALLY tough to finish.. She does seem durable watching her past fight vids..

                            So I gave this a shot below even though Cyborg looks juiced, UFC debut and it is going down in home Country of Brazil. Oh I almost forgot Cyborg finishes most of her fights in the 1st round also..

                            CARDS are certainly stacked up against Leslie in this fight to survive the early on slaught... I'll gamble though.. I may hit this again for another benny before fight time..

                            $90.00 $144.40 Pending 5/14/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1237 Smith / Justino starts round 2 +160* vs Fight won’t start round 2
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                            • Hugo de Naranja
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 04-14-16
                              • 14140

                              #154
                              Originally posted by JC2008
                              - As always, I will let you all know of the line moves I see before each fight goes off...

                              Line moves have obviously shifted towards Shogun and Font but those have been mentioned, and not as important compared to closer to fight time. I can see Shogun winning a ROBBERY of a decision against Anderson as well in Brazil. We'll see what happens. LIVE betting is where it's always at.
                              I'll be looking to live bet Werdum after round 1 since he usually gets better as the fight progresses. Hopefully we will get + odds
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                              • UncleChael
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-30-13
                                • 3979

                                #155
                                Originally posted by UncleChael
                                2nd fight - Moraes -188 ITD to win 1 unit
                                3rd fight - Cummings + Moraes @-141. 2 units.
                                4th fight - 1 unit Rob Font +110 ML
                                5th fight Trinaldo -220 ML 1 unit.
                                Last edited by UncleChael; 05-14-16, 04:05 PM.
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                                • JC2008
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-27-08
                                  • 2258

                                  #156
                                  One thing I learned last weekend was, 'don't overthink it.'
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                                  • Hugo de Naranja
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-14-16
                                    • 14140

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by UncleChael
                                    4th fight - 1 unit Rob Font +110 ML
                                    5th fight Trinaldo -220 ML 1 unit.
                                    Glad you changed this one. I don't see Medeiros winning
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                                    • UncleChael
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 10-30-13
                                      • 3979

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                      Glad you changed this one. I don't see Medeiros winning
                                      Yeah, I'm late. Rewatched tape, me neither...
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                                      • slayer14
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 08-12-13
                                        • 22010

                                        #159
                                        give me some lively outsider bets guy, thanks
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                                        • shabang
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-23-13
                                          • 1814

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by UncleChael
                                          4th fight - 1 unit Rob Font +110 ML
                                          5th fight Trinaldo -220 ML 1 unit.
                                          for the font/lineker fight - i know a lot of you are on lineker for the ko, ( I think font takes this by dec)...a good bet to consider would be font NOT ITD -289 - lineker has never been finished.

                                          also with leslie smith, she's never been legit finished either (the one time was the for the ear tear and the dr stopped it, she just might be strong enough to survice to the later rounds (even if she does, cyborg is better everywhere, so it shouldn't matter as far as winners go) but fight starts round 2 might be a good bet on this one. She's gone to the later rounds in a few of her fights and the last few she almost hit round 2 (45 seconds to spare in both fights) Im considering it. (it's just leslie has nothing going for her except her toughness,poses no threat to cyborg anywhere)
                                          Last edited by shabang; 05-14-16, 04:47 PM.
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                                          • shabang
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-23-13
                                            • 1814

                                            #161
                                            fight #1 - on tuk straight, on the over, and on starts round 2

                                            fight #2 - on sergio inside the distance as opposed to the sub (he got his first ko/tko stoppage last fight)

                                            fight #3 - cummins straight

                                            fight #4 - font by dec, NOT font inside the distance
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                                            • Hugo de Naranja
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-14-16
                                              • 14140

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by shabang
                                              for the font/lineker fight - i know a lot of you are on lineker for the ko, ( I think font takes this by dec)...a good bet to consider would be font NOT ITD -289 - lineker has never been finished.

                                              also with leslie smith, she's never been legit finished either (the one time was the for the ear tear and the dr stopped it, she just might be strong enough to survice to the later rounds (even if she does, cyborg is better everywhere, so it shouldn't matter as far as winners go) but fight starts round 2 might be a good bet on this one. She's gone to the later rounds in a few of her fights and the last few she almost hit round 2 (45 seconds to spare in both fights) Im considering it. (it's just leslie has nothing going for her except her toughness,poses no threat to cyborg anywhere)
                                              Jibbs bet of fight to start round 2 looked good. Also like not Font ITD as well. If he wins this fight I think it will be by establishing his range and using his jab to a decision.
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                                              • Hugo de Naranja
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 04-14-16
                                                • 14140

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by shabang
                                                fight #1 - on tuk straight, on the over, and on starts round 2

                                                fight #2 - on sergio inside the distance as opposed to the sub (he got his first ko/tko stoppage last fight)

                                                fight #3 - cummins straight

                                                fight #4 - font by dec, NOT font inside the distance
                                                Although I picked Moicano in fight 1, I think this is quite likely a UD for Tukhugov. Should be a good fight
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                                                • shabang
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 02-23-13
                                                  • 1814

                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                  Jibbs bet of fight to start round 2 looked good. Also like not Font ITD as well. If he wins this fight I think it will be by establishing his range and using his jab to a decision.
                                                  yea exactly what im thinking, font will be the bigger man for once and will have like a 5-6" reach advantage, he is also the more technical striker. He needs to dance around and stay at range, be smart, don't get into a slug fest with lineker, he should know this. I think this is font's fight to lose.

                                                  Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja
                                                  Although I picked Moicano in fight 1, I think this is quite likely a UD for Tukhugov. Should be a good fight
                                                  agreed, very tough fight to call, will be a hell of a fight..going with the fresher guy.
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                                                  • spurginobili
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 05-09-09
                                                    • 3065

                                                    #165
                                                    I took Carneiro by Dec, but agree, should be a close fight and think it goes over

                                                    Parlayed Carneiro/Tukhugov starts rd 3 with Cummins
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                                                    • TheHaus
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 05-05-16
                                                      • 173

                                                      #166
                                                      Im confused. Lil nog may be 39 but hes in amazing shape.. doesn't have the amount of fights his older brother does and is in his home town. Im all in boys.. hes a Lil nog
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                                                      • Shagdogy
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-16-10
                                                        • 3564

                                                        #167
                                                        Getting a good look at Anderson/Shogun now. I think cardio may be the difference in this one. Anderson has pretty good size and reach, and he is quick and has cardio to stay strong for 3 rounds. We've seen Shogun slow down and that will cost him when he's stuck fighting from the outside. Anderson will also score with takedowns in the third to win on the cards if he needs. He should win this fight pretty easy. Robbery decision is the concern. He needs to work a bit more than he usually does if he senses any opportunities to finish.
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                                                        • Shagdogy
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 06-16-10
                                                          • 3564

                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by TheHaus
                                                          Im confused. Lil nog may be 39 but hes in amazing shape.. doesn't have the amount of fights his older brother does and is in his home town. Im all in boys.. hes a Lil nog
                                                          If he keeps it on the feet you're in good shape. His hands are so much better than Cummings. He needs to stop takedowns though. Can he do that all fight?
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                                                          • Hugo de Naranja
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 04-14-16
                                                            • 14140

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by shabang
                                                            yea exactly what im thinking, font will be the bigger man for once and will have like a 5-6" reach advantage, he is also the more technical striker. He needs to dance around and stay at range, be smart, don't get into a slug fest with lineker, he should know this. I think this is font's fight to lose.

                                                            agreed, very tough fight to call, will be a hell of a fight..going with the fresher guy.
                                                            Font by decision worth a look at +480
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                                                            • McCarthyFam
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 07-06-11
                                                              • 1700

                                                              #170
                                                              Good luck fellas!
                                                              starting it off with:

                                                              tukhugov $58 to win $50
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                                                              • JIBBBY
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 12-10-09
                                                                • 83686

                                                                #171
                                                                OK GAME TIME!!! Let's get that pay dirt people!!!!

                                                                This first scrap I took the over, but Renalto by sub isn't a bad play for odds.. He does win by submission over 50 percent of the time..

                                                                2131 Carneiro wins by submission +655



                                                                Renato
                                                                Moicano
                                                                vs
                                                                Zubaira
                                                                Tukhugov
                                                                "Warrior"

                                                                BRAZIL
                                                                Country
                                                                RUSSIA

                                                                9-0-1
                                                                Record
                                                                18-3-0

                                                                0%
                                                                KO/TKO
                                                                33%

                                                                56%
                                                                SUB
                                                                6%

                                                                44%
                                                                DEC
                                                                61%

                                                                71 in
                                                                Height
                                                                68 in

                                                                145 lbs
                                                                Weight
                                                                145 lbs

                                                                72 in
                                                                Reach
                                                                68 in

                                                                42 in
                                                                Leg Reach
                                                                38 in
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                                                                • HurlSweatPants
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 07-28-15
                                                                  • 951

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                  Getting a good look at Anderson/Shogun now. I think cardio may be the difference in this one. Anderson has pretty good size and reach, and he is quick and has cardio to stay strong for 3 rounds. We've seen Shogun slow down and that will cost him when he's stuck fighting from the outside. Anderson will also score with takedowns in the third to win on the cards if he needs. He should win this fight pretty easy. Robbery decision is the concern. He needs to work a bit more than he usually does if he senses any opportunities to finish.
                                                                  Agree, I am staying away from the Shogun fight as well as the Cummins/Nog fight for that very reason. The judges are bound to screw at least one decision up per card, and if these fights are grinding and there isn't a ton of action I don't want to put my money on the judges. I can totally see Nog hitting Cummins with some big shots early and then Cummins L&P on him for two rounds, and still coming out with a dec loss.
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                                                                  • shabang
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 02-23-13
                                                                    • 1814

                                                                    #173
                                                                    gL all, lets get it
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                                                                    • JAKEPEAVY21
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 03-11-11
                                                                      • 29268

                                                                      #174
                                                                      the atmosphere at this event is unique, really geeked up!!
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                                                                      • JIBBBY
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 12-10-09
                                                                        • 83686

                                                                        #175
                                                                        I'd hate to have bleeds at this stadium.. You won't be able to see shiiiit in those upper decks..
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