UFC 195: Lawler vs. Condit (January 02, 2016)

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  • JIBBBY
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    #106
    Originally posted by Sanity Check
    Condit looked injured in that fight before the fight even began.

    That was the worst he has ever looked in the cage.

    Was he injured going in already? I can't remember.. Tyron is very quick, athletic and an elite wrestler.. Condit I don't think was ready for those leg kicks myself..


    When looking at Condit and really going over his losses I notice Condit only loses to elite wrestling based fighters.. Grinders and elite wrestlers is Condit's Kriptonite for sure..

    CC's last losses in order - Woodley, Johny Hendricks, GSP, Pat Heally, Jake Sheilds.. (All wrestling based fighters first) The only guy that out pointed Condit in a tight decision win standing was Martin Kampman.. Pretty sure Kampman took down Condit a few times in that fight though if my memory serves me right... This all dates back 10 years.. Look for yourself.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Carlos-Condit-6765

    So keeping it simple ya gotta ask yourself what kind of fighter is Robbie Lawler? Wrestling based or striking based? Is he gonna employ a new fighting style and become a wrestler in this fight?.. Chances are he's not even if he's getting peppered standing...
    Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-27-15, 03:39 PM.
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    • bjpenn85
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      #107
      Originally posted by JIBBBY
      Was he injured going in already? I can't remember.. Tyron is very quick, athletic and an elite wrestler.. Condit I don't think was ready for those leg kicks myself..


      When looking at Condit and really going over his losses I notice Condit only loses to elite wrestling based fighters.. Grinders and elite wrestlers is Condit's Kriptonite for sure..

      CC's last losses in order - Woodley, Johny Hendricks, GSP, Pat Heally, Jake Sheilds.. (All wrestling based fighters first) The only guy that out pointed Condit in a tight decision win standing was Martin Kampman.. Pretty sure Kampman took down Condit a few times in that fight though if my memory serves me right... This all dates back 10 years.. Look for yourself.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Carlos-Condit-6765

      So keeping it simple ya gotta ask yourself what kind of fighter is Robbie Lawler? Wrestling based or striking based? Is he gonna employ a new fighting style and become a wrestler in this fight?.. Chances are he's not even if he's getting peppered standing...
      If hes smart he choses a gameplan with taking Condit down. Thats Condit weakness. Lawler prefers to bang, so i think it will end up standing for the majority of the fight. But it will surely be a nightmare for condit backers if lawler takes down condit. Condit is very easiy taken to the ground. Conversely Condit wont be able to take down lawler, thats almost an impossible task.
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      • THE_LOCKSMITH
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        #108
        pick em' fight now...
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        • bjpenn85
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          #109
          It had to happen
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          • JIBBBY
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            #110
            I was thinking Condit will be -125 come fight time a week from now..

            I gotta admit I really don't like when the betting public masses move the line in the direction of my placed bets.. The sheep usually get slaughtered.. World goes one way it's a smart move to be the wolf, step out of the box and go the other way.. I won't knock people for betting Lawler in this one just based on that...

            Regardless of line movements, gambling trends, and superstitions I still believe Condit is the logical play going in regardless..
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            • bjpenn85
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              #111
              Originally posted by JIBBBY
              I was thinking Condit will be -125 come fight time a week from now..

              I gotta admit I really don't like when the betting public masses move the line in the direction of my placed bets.. The sheep usually get slaughtered.. World goes one way it's a smart move to be the wolf, step out of the box and go the other way.. I won't knock people for betting Lawler in this one just based on that...




              Regardless of line movements, gambling trends, and superstitions I still believe Condit is the logical play going in regardless..

              I feel you. Sometimes it means that the public is catching on with what the sharps find out at first. Sometimes it happens at once, sometimes not. Condits obvious advantage in terms of striking variety and movement had to happen in such a big fight. Usually lines movement happen a couple days before, now we see the movement because of the build up and promotion of the fight in combination with the relative longevity of the time between the last event. It doesnt really affect my evaluation of condits chances in this fight.
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              • JoshKnows46
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                #112
                Lawler is stupid if he tries to take condit down, how do people think that's a good gameplan, condit will sweep him easily and sub him. 5 of his 10 loses are by sub, something like 14 of condit's fights are by sub I believe, and 13 by ko, and 2 Dec wins. Condit has been focusing his camp around getting on top in transitions, lawlar doesn't have a good top game, mostly ends up on top when he has a guy hurt. Absolutely worse gameplan for lawler to try to take the fight to the ground, I pray he tries it though. He may get desperate come mid way through the 3rd round after being down 2 rounds, and shoot for the takedown, and will be finished shortly there after.
                Last edited by JoshKnows46; 12-27-15, 09:19 PM.
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                • JIBBBY
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                  #113
                  ^I don't see Condit sweeping Lawler if it goes to the ground at all Josh.. I agree that Condit is the play in this fight but the top ground game should belong to Robbie Lawler if it ever goes there. I don't recall ever seeing Robbie Lawler being swept even when fighting the best ground guys in MMA?.. Ruthless Rob can wrestle when pressed, he just prefers to stand and knock you out instead.

                  Like I said before, it's kinda like Nick Diaz as it's stamped in their DNA.. Angry prideful fighters the both, strike first, ground is an after thought.... Even though they both have good ground games they just don't want to hug on the enemy and would rather knock them out standing and go home....

                  Gotta admit even though I think this fight probably goes the distance that head kick KO or that KO hooking punch by Condit late is lingering in the back of my mind..

                  1037 Condit wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_17" size="4"> +345


                  Carlos Condit with the ko strikes over Dan Hardy and Rory Mac...





                  Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-28-15, 12:12 AM.
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                  • JIBBBY
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                    #114
                    After just watching the UFC tonight show just now..

                    It confirms that I think both Condit and Lawler are giving each other too much mad respect.. When that happens fighters usually go the distance and fight a bit more cautious then normal.. We see????
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                    • UncleChael
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                      After just watching the UFC tonight show just now..

                      It confirms that I think both Condit and Lawler are giving each other too much mad respect.. When that happens fighters usually go the distance and fight a bit more cautious then normal.. We see????
                      Robbie is going to put him out.
                      I'm sorry, Jibbs.
                      Watching the countdown now...
                      Last edited by UncleChael; 12-28-15, 02:09 AM.
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                      • Sanity Check
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                        #116
                        Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                        Lawler is stupid if he tries to take condit down, how do people think that's a good gameplan, condit will sweep him easily and sub him. 5 of his 10 loses are by sub, something like 14 of condit's fights are by sub I believe, and 13 by ko, and 2 Dec wins. Condit has been focusing his camp around getting on top in transitions, lawlar doesn't have a good top game, mostly ends up on top when he has a guy hurt. Absolutely worse gameplan for lawler to try to take the fight to the ground, I pray he tries it though. He may get desperate come mid way through the 3rd round after being down 2 rounds, and shoot for the takedown, and will be finished shortly there after.
                        Condit hasn't subbed anyone since... *checks stats* 2008. Condit was helpless once GSP and Hendricks got him down. Robbie Lawler is near their level in terms of wrestling and grappling. I think Robbie has better ground and pound than GSP or Hendricks. Condit had good elbows off his back against GSP. Those days when Condit swept and subbed people are gone. He's not a strong enough wrestler to avoid being taken down, sweep or get back up. Jackson-Wink haven't kept pace in terms of grappling and subs, they've fallen behind. Clay Guida being subbed so easily, not once but twice, could be one indication of it.

                        The main reasons for Condit winning are, it'll probably be a stand up fight and Robbie's chin is suspect. Rory Macdonald had Robbie in trouble & I don't remember if it was a solid shot that put him there. Robbie's chin could have deteriorated to where Condit can finish him with a single solid shot. Whereas Condit has never taken much damage or showed signs of fading.

                        That's my take, anywayz. Maybe Condit has had enough time to develop his wrestling and takedown defense and he can stop GSP and Hendricks from taking him down now. Its hard to say how much someone might have improved. If I remember right Condit was talking about retiring soon. Maybe Condit's being beaten up in the gym. Maybe Condit still can't stop takedowns to save his life.
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                        • Sanity Check
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                          Was he injured going in already? I can't remember.. Tyron is very quick, athletic and an elite wrestler.. Condit I don't think was ready for those leg kicks myself..

                          When looking at Condit and really going over his losses I notice Condit only loses to elite wrestling based fighters.. Grinders and elite wrestlers is Condit's Kriptonite for sure..

                          CC's last losses in order - Woodley, Johny Hendricks, GSP, Pat Heally, Jake Sheilds.. (All wrestling based fighters first) The only guy that out pointed Condit in a tight decision win standing was Martin Kampman.. Pretty sure Kampman took down Condit a few times in that fight though if my memory serves me right... This all dates back 10 years.. Look for yourself.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Carlos-Condit-6765

                          So keeping it simple ya gotta ask yourself what kind of fighter is Robbie Lawler? Wrestling based or striking based? Is he gonna employ a new fighting style and become a wrestler in this fight?.. Chances are he's not even if he's getting peppered standing...
                          Condit's mentality and the things he says makes me think he has injuries. Leading up to his fight with GSP, Condit always said things like.. "he would fight for free because he enjoys doing it". Prior to his fight with Tyron Woodley, Condit completely 180'ed. He said things like, "why did I ever get involved in this sport". The complete opposite of what he used to say. That shift in attitude makes me think Condit might have fought injured.

                          That 180 in the way he talks, plus Condit talking about retiring saying "he probably doesn't have much time left in the sport", makes me think he could have injuries or not have much confidence that he'll continue to be successful for whatever reasons.

                          Last edited by Sanity Check; 12-28-15, 04:42 AM.
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                          • JIBBBY
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                            #118
                            ^^Both Condit and Lawler have been fighting for 15 years each at the pro level. That's a combined 30 years of professional MMA fighting.. That's a long time for both.. I'm sure these guys have said many things about the sport and their careers over that span that contradict earlier statements.. The sport has changed alot during their careers also..

                            It's really amazing to think both of these guys are at the height of their careers right now to be honest... You would think both would be retired by now..

                            Yes the injuries have stacked up for both over the years and I'm sure it's painful at times just to wake up and get out of bed for both..
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                            • JIBBBY
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                              #119
                              Originally posted by UncleChael
                              Robbie is going to put him out.
                              I'm sorry, Jibbs.
                              Watching the countdown now...
                              1041 Lawler wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_19" size="4"> +350
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                              • brooks85
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                                #120
                                Saturday just needs to get here.

                                Condit/lawler need to makeup for the month of December and the huge main event letdowns of aldo/connor and rda/cerrone.
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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  #121
                                  Originally Posted by brooks85
                                  Saturday just needs to get here.

                                  Condit/lawler need to makeup for the month of December and the huge main event letdowns of aldo/connor and rda/cerrone.

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                                  Agreed this down time is making me over cap and over think some of these fights. Ready for this event to crank up already.. Got another week..

                                  I guess I'm gonna cap that chick fight on this card and be done with it.. That's the last fight on this card that I haven't touched yet...

                                  <small>UFC 195 - Strawweight 3 rounds - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - FS1</small>
                                  Sat 1/2 1701 Justine Kish <input id="editx" name="M1_7" size="4"> -265 <input id="editx" name="L1_7" size="4"> o2½ -230
                                  8:30PM 1702 Nina Ansaroff <input id="editx" name="M2_7" size="4"> +225 <input id="editx" name="L2_7" size="4"> u2½ +190


                                  props -

                                  <small>Justine Kish vs Nina Ansaroff - Strawweight 3 rounds - UFC 195 propositions</small>
                                  Sat 1/2 1703 Kish / Ansaroff goes 3 round distance <input id="editx" name="M1_133" size="4"> -195
                                  8:30PM 1704 Fight won’t go 3 round distance <input id="editx" name="M2_133" size="4"> +155
                                  Sat 1/2 1705 Kish wins inside distance <input id="editx" name="M1_134" size="4"> +306
                                  8:30PM 1706 Not Kish inside distance <input id="editx" name="M2_134" size="4"> -396
                                  Sat 1/2 1707 Kish wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_135" size="4"> -109
                                  8:30PM 1708 Not Kish by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M2_135" size="4"> -121
                                  Sat 1/2 1709 Ansaroff wins inside distance <input id="editx" name="M1_136" size="4"> +485
                                  8:30PM 1710 Not Ansaroff inside distance <input id="editx" name="M2_136" size="4"> -760
                                  Sat 1/2 1711 Ansaroff wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_137" size="4"> +451
                                  8:30PM 1712 Not Ansaroff by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M2_137" size="4"> -676
                                  Sat 1/2 1713 Kish / Ansaroff draw <input id="editx" name="M1_138" size="4"> +16500
                                  8:30PM 1714 Fight not a draw <input id="editx" name="M2_138" size="4"> -49500
                                  Sat 1/2 1715 Kish wins in round 1 <input id="editx" name="M1_139" size="4"> +575
                                  8:30PM 1716 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_139" size="4"> -1125
                                  Sat 1/2 1717 Kish wins in round 2 <input id="editx" name="M1_140" size="4"> +775
                                  8:30PM 1718 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_140" size="4"> -1625
                                  Sat 1/2 1719 Kish wins in round 3 <input id="editx" name="M1_141" size="4"> +1375
                                  8:30PM 1720 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_141" size="4"> -3425
                                  Sat 1/2 1721 Ansaroff wins in round 1 <input id="editx" name="M1_142" size="4"> +925
                                  8:30PM 1722 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_142" size="4"> -1875
                                  Sat 1/2 1723 Ansaroff wins in round 2 <input id="editx" name="M1_143" size="4"> +1225
                                  8:30PM 1724 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_143" size="4"> -2675
                                  Sat 1/2 1725 Ansaroff wins in round 3 <input id="editx" name="M1_144" size="4"> +2125
                                  8:30PM 1726 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_144" size="4"> -6375
                                  Sat 1/2 1727 Kish wins by submission <input id="editx" name="M1_145" size="4"> +700
                                  8:30PM 1728 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_145" size="4"> -1500
                                  Sat 1/2 1729 Kish wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_146" size="4"> +405
                                  8:30PM 1730 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_146" size="4"> -615
                                  Sat 1/2 1731 Ansaroff wins by submission <input id="editx" name="M1_147" size="4"> +1170
                                  8:30PM 1732 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_147" size="4"> -2510
                                  Sat 1/2 1733 Ansaroff wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_148" size="4"> +675
                                  8:30PM 1734 Any other result <input id="editx" name="M2_148" size="4"> -1425
                                  Sat 1/2 1735 Kish / Ansaroff starts round 3 <input id="editx" name="M1_149" size="4"> -266
                                  8:30PM 1736 Fight won’t start round 3 <input id="editx" name="M2_149" size="4"> +206
                                  Sat 1/2 1737 Kish / Ansaroff starts round 2 <input id="editx" name="M1_150" size="4"> -560
                                  8:30PM 1738 Fight won’t start round 2



                                  These tiny straw weights probably go the distance as they usually do at the -195 prop odds.. Play it a little safer and go with the O2.5 at -230 seems like a solid bet for a parlay leg..
                                  Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-28-15, 04:26 PM.
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                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                    #122
                                    How someone can say robbie has better top control then hendrix or gsp I don't know. GSP and hendrix have been subbed once combined, that's their world, they have more time on top of people with less sub defeats,robbie is more reckless from the top position,...without a doubt, if this fight goes to the ground, robbie will be subbed or he will be swept and be on bottom.
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                                    • JIBBBY
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                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                      without a doubt, if this fight goes to the ground, robbie will be subbed or he will be swept and be on bottom.
                                      1035 Condit wins by submission <input id="radiox" value="M1_16" name="radiox" type="radio">+601
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                                      • UncleChael
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                                        #124
                                        I really like Stipe this weekend.. I dunno how he wins.. but he does.
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                                        • JoshKnows46
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                                          #125
                                          You,d have to be a pretty big nut hugger to believe robbie can roll around on the ground with condit. Robbie wouldn't dare attempt a takedown, that's what makes this fight so easy to predict, because condit knows he doesn't have to worry about the takedown, he can let his punches, kicks, knees and elbows go without having to re set for a possible takedown attempt, robbie will find it hard to get much off on condit, robbie either gets kod or subbed, and if not, he loses a decision. He can't win a decision against condit and he can't ko him. He def can't sub him.
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                                          • JoshKnows46
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                                            #126
                                            Fight is very similar to the diaz Johnson fight in makeup, exept it's 5 rounds.
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                                            • JIBBBY
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                                              #127
                                              Originally posted by UncleChael
                                              I really like Stipe this weekend.. I dunno how he wins.. but he does.
                                              AA has just been winning and knocking people out cold since his long string of wins began.....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

                                              AA moves well on his feet, sizes up well against Stipe too, IDK?.. I think this fight is a tough call myself.. It's also the one fight I'm most looking forward to watching on this card as a fan..

                                              I'm already locked in on AA.. Current odds +190 by the way...

                                              $200.00 $410.00 Pending 1/2/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1101 Andrei Arlovski +205* <small>vs</small> Stipe Miocic

                                              Will hedge with this prop probably to cover the $200 -

                                              1133 Miocic wins by TKO/KO <input id="radiox" value="M1_45" name="radiox" type="radio">+160
                                              Also have this prop parlay'd up already..

                                              Pending1/2/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance -165* <small>vs</small> Arlovski / Miocic goes 3 round distance


                                              IF STIPE WINS BY DECISION I'LL BE ROYALLY FOCKED!!
                                              Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-28-15, 06:04 PM.
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                                              • JoshKnows46
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                                                #128
                                                Stipe wins, but it's not worth the risk in a heavyweight fight where either guy can get caught plus. against someone that can almost match his athletism, in aa. No bet is the best play on the fight. I'll be rooting for aa.
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                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                  Stipe wins, but it's not worth the risk in a heavyweight fight where either guy can get caught plus. against someone that can almost match his athletism, in aa. No bet is the best play on the fight. I'll be rooting for aa.
                                                  If you think Stipe is going to win then you should play him on the Straight and hedge with AA KO prop.. You can still make money.. Just gotta work out the math and numbers and then bet accordingly.. Or just bet both KO props as this fight most likely ends in a KO one way or the other..

                                                  <small>UFC 195 - Heavyweight 3 rounds - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV</small>
                                                  Sat 1/2 1101 Andrei Arlovski <input id="radiox" value="M1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">+190 <input id="radiox" value="L1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">o1½ -155
                                                  11:30PM 1102 Stipe Miocic <input id="radiox" value="M2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">-230 <input id="radiox" value="L2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">u1½ +135
                                                  KO PROP HEDGE -


                                                  1129 Arlovski wins by TKO/KO
                                                  <input id="radiox" value="M1_43" name="radiox" type="radio">+410
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                                                  • UncleChael
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                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                    AA has just been winning and knocking people out cold since his long string of wins began.....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

                                                    AA moves well on his feet, sizes up well against Stipe too, IDK?.. I think this fight is a tough call myself.. It's also the one fight I'm most looking forward to watching on this card as a fan..

                                                    I'm already locked in on AA.. Current odds +190 by the way...

                                                    $200.00 $410.00 Pending 1/2/16 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1101 Andrei Arlovski +205* <small>vs</small> Stipe Miocic

                                                    Will hedge with this prop probably to cover the $200 -

                                                    1133 Miocic wins by TKO/KO <input id="radiox" value="M1_45" name="radiox" type="radio">+160
                                                    Also have this prop parlay'd up already..

                                                    Pending1/2/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance -165* <small>vs</small> Arlovski / Miocic goes 3 round distance


                                                    IF STIPE WINS BY DECISION I'LL BE ROYALLY FOCKED!!
                                                    Stipe by knockout is it!
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                                                    • Sanity Check
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                                                      #131
                                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                      How someone can say robbie has better top control then hendrix or gsp I don't know. GSP and hendrix have been subbed once combined, that's their world, they have more time on top of people with less sub defeats,robbie is more reckless from the top position,...without a doubt, if this fight goes to the ground, robbie will be subbed or he will be swept and be on bottom.
                                                      Robbie and GSP both fought Josh Koscheck and controlled him on the ground. Robbie did better against Koscheck than GSP. Robbie and GSP both fought Johny Hendricks. Robbie did much better against Hendricks than GSP did, especially in the wrestling department. This could mean, Robbie's top control is as good as GSP's, Robbie's ground and pound is much more dangerous.

                                                      Its hard to know if Robbie Lawler's losses by sub are important. Robbie took those fights in strikeforce less seriously and he might've just been fighting for a paycheck not caring if he won or lost. Condit isn't a major submission threat like Demian Maia would be. Condit himself admitted he doesn't train jiu jitsu much and isn't very good at it. Most if not all of Condit's subs are from fights where he rocks someone with big shots, then submits them when they don't know where they are. Condit isn't a slick submission guru who pulls subs out of his ass all day long. His sub wins are from him submitting people after his strikes has them in trouble.
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                                                      • Sanity Check
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                        You,d have to be a pretty big nut hugger to believe robbie can roll around on the ground with condit. Robbie wouldn't dare attempt a takedown, that's what makes this fight so easy to predict, because condit knows he doesn't have to worry about the takedown, he can let his punches, kicks, knees and elbows go without having to re set for a possible takedown attempt, robbie will find it hard to get much off on condit, robbie either gets kod or subbed, and if not, he loses a decision. He can't win a decision against condit and he can't ko him. He def can't sub him.
                                                        I agree Robbie isn't likely to go for takedowns.

                                                        Its not because he's afraid of Condit's ground game, Robbie would absolutely destroy Condit on the ground. The reason Robbie won't go for takedowns, he has too much pride to resort to gameplans that might be boring and disappoint fans.
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                                                        • Sanity Check
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                                                          #133
                                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                          AA has just been winning and knocking people out cold since his long string of wins began.....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

                                                          AA moves well on his feet, sizes up well against Stipe too, IDK?.. I think this fight is a tough call myself.. It's also the one fight I'm most looking forward to watching on this card as a fan..

                                                          I'm already locked in on AA.. Current odds +190 by the way...
                                                          I have Arlovski winning but my plays haven't been going well so I could be wrong on that.

                                                          Stipe didn't look good against JDS and JDS didn't look good against Overeem. Stipe didn't look great against Mark Hunt either. That was the fight where Mark Hunt cut down to 265 after not following proper nutrition or dietary guidelines. Stipe fought a 30% Mark Hunt, that's the only reason I think he looked decent in that fight. Arlovski is better than Stipe is at closing the distance, setting up his strikes. Arlovski is also the harder hitter and I think has better hands and overall technique.

                                                          But this sport seems almost custom made to make people eat their words and look like fools so who knows what will happen.
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                                                          • JoshKnows46
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 07-27-12
                                                            • 3691

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                            Robbie and GSP both fought Josh Koscheck and controlled him on the ground. Robbie did better against Koscheck than GSP. Robbie and GSP both fought Johny Hendricks. Robbie did much better against Hendricks than GSP did, especially in the wrestling department. This could mean, Robbie's top control is as good as GSP's, Robbie's ground and pound is much more dangerous.

                                                            Its hard to know if Robbie Lawler's losses by sub are important. Robbie took those fights in strikeforce less seriously and he might've just been fighting for a paycheck not caring if he won or lost. Condit isn't a major submission threat like Demian Maia would be. Condit himself admitted he doesn't train jiu jitsu much and isn't very good at it. Most if not all of Condit's subs are from fights where he rocks someone with big shots, then submits them when they don't know where they are. Condit isn't a slick submission guru who pulls subs out of his ass all day long. His sub wins are from him submitting people after his strikes has them in trouble.
                                                            All good points, nice read.
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                                                            • JIBBBY
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 12-10-09
                                                              • 83693

                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                              I have Arlovski winning but my plays haven't been going well so I could be wrong on that.

                                                              Stipe didn't look good against JDS and JDS didn't look good against Overeem. Stipe didn't look great against Mark Hunt either. That was the fight where Mark Hunt cut down to 265 after not following proper nutrition or dietary guidelines. Stipe fought a 30% Mark Hunt, that's the only reason I think he looked decent in that fight. Arlovski is better than Stipe is at closing the distance, setting up his strikes. Arlovski is also the harder hitter and I think has better hands and overall technique.

                                                              But this sport seems almost custom made to make people eat their words and look like fools so who knows what will happen.
                                                              Yep, but AA did get rocked and dropped fighting Travis Brown before getting the KO himself, Stipe has the better chin and that concerns me in this match up though.....

                                                              I still think AA trains with better partners then Stipe and has a better coach in Greg Jackson at Jackson/Wink Academy.. AA's has been training with champs and guys like Jon Jones, Reem, etc.. Just happens he is undefeated since going there also..

                                                              The new Jackson Wink Academy, home to some of the greatest fighters in the world, opened its doors in June. Six months later, and just days after Holly Holm's shocking victory, coach Mike Winkeljohn took us on a tour of the new facility.
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                                                              • JIBBBY
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 12-10-09
                                                                • 83693

                                                                #136
                                                                Write ups and predictions as usual... Good reads....

                                                                Combatpress - http://combatpress.com/2015/12/toe-t...d-predictions/

                                                                MMAmania Prelims part 1 - http://www.mmamania.com/2015/12/28/1...363.1449624206
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                                                                • BELM0NT
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-19-15
                                                                  • 1132

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Only thing that concerns me is odds on Condit in earlier rounds are favored more than later rounds. Any idea why this would be?
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                                                                  • PaperTrail07
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-29-08
                                                                    • 20423

                                                                    #138
                                                                    Without a doubt a top talent....skills were there from day 1....hes a natural
                                                                    Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                                    Make yourself known to the name Albert "Einstein" Turmenov, soon to be top 5 in the division, will climb the ranks quickly, at the age of 23, future champion in the division.

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                                                                    • PaperTrail07
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 08-29-08
                                                                      • 20423

                                                                      #139
                                                                      IMO lawler is the perfect fight for Condit....----let him do his thing....if it finishes it will be doctor stoppage or TKO with Lawler losing ...
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                                                                      • JIBBBY
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 12-10-09
                                                                        • 83693

                                                                        #140
                                                                        ^^ Paper good job on the 2 trivia badge hits this month!!! Between your BTP and Trivia hits it's safe to say you are on SBR fire in this month of December!!! I count 2600 FP points received this month.. That works everytime!!!!

                                                                        I couldn't nail down one of the 3 trivia hits this month.. Errrr! I always get stumped on the round 3 questions.. End up guessing and then bomb out...
                                                                        Last edited by JIBBBY; 12-29-15, 01:45 PM.
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