UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier (January 03, 2015)

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  • Unwritten Law
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    • 10-31-13
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    #141
    DC will KO Jones.
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    • MD
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-31-12
      • 9728

      #142
      Originally posted by Unwritten Law
      DC will KO Jones.
      Good focking luck.
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      • Beelzebubzy
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 06-06-11
        • 6995

        #143
        "I got flash knocked out once," he says. He wasn't the baddest ************ on Earth then; he was just Jon "Bones" Jones, a 21-year-old kid with a smooth, unmarred face, warm, loud eyes, a 7-0 record, and an upcoming light-heavyweight fight in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He was sparring with a fighter named Mike Massenzio—just some guy, really—who happened to be a southpaw, and happened to throw a punch Jones didn't see coming.
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        • Crassus
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          • 01-08-12
          • 1538

          #144
          Originally posted by fitguy67
          i'm getting that same feeling that was in the wind a few days before tito was about to be annhilated by the short chubby shlemenko...only that time the wannabe sharps wouldn't take the dog-price gift because acknowledging the "too obvious" size differential clashed with their self-image as non-conformists

          this time the same "too obvious" (reach + uncanny MMA-IQ/creativity +...) advantages of the favorite are being overlooked...
          Comparing Jon Jones vs Daniel Cormier to Alexander Schlemenko vs Tito Ortiz, solid start. Also, Uncanny MMA-IQ and creativity from Tito? FROM TITO SON? Cmon now. For disclosure, I bet Schlemenko.

          Originally posted by fitguy67
          do you guyz honestly think Cormier would rag-doll the likes of Gus...a completely different prospect than a well-past-due-date Henderson...and don't even think about how easily JJ could handle a Hendo at this point...not saying Cormier's at this level yet...just that his LHW (not his HW...his LHW...this is a different game when the speed and cardio and creativity grows in importance to the simpler "who catches who first" dynamic of the biggies) credentials clearly does not qualify him YET
          Yeah I do think Cormier would rag doll Gus, Gus hasn't fought a wrestler like DC ever. Jones is an impressive wrestler but shucking his takedowns is not the same as avoiding someone like Cormier.

          Also, another solid point that we should discredit all of Cormier's HW experience because it's not as creative? Because you, for some reason, hold the LHW division in higher esteem?
          Originally posted by fitguy67
          Gus deserves and was originally scheduled for this tilt...UFC's "sports as entertainment" foisted this upon us...Cormier is amazing...but why not put him up against at least one top-ten LHW (like a Rumble Johnson, for example...no way in hell Cormier manhandles him like he did Hendo)

          not having the common sense to see the value in a WAY over-dogged Tito (vs. Shlemenko) OR
          not having the common sense to see the value of a way under-faved Jones (vs. Cormier)...
          is the same myopia to not see what JUST SEEMS TO BE too obvious for your self-image as a sharp
          Gus deserves a shot, sure. Irrelevant point though. Cormier should probably get another fight at LHW but it doesn't really affect how you would look at the match-up, thats just you allowing inherent bias to seep into your analysis. Sure, it would be better to see him versus higher level competition but shit that's true of everybody. Haven't seen many fights where people are saying "Man, this fight would be SO much easier to cap if I just had three or four less videos to compare them to."

          I'm going to ignore your bolded passive agressive statement, I understood earlier that you thought you were smarter and better than everyone else.


          Originally posted by fitguy67
          in MMA and tennis the value edge is most often on the under-appreciated dog...but when it appears as it only-occasionally does here and acts to overly-cheapen the price on the fave...you got that sweet "gift horse in the mouth" that all the over-thinkers just can't pull the trigger on...
          You're kidding, you're telling me that there is occasionally value in Dogs AND Favorites? Depending on the situation too?!

          Originally posted by fitguy67
          the premature (not over/just premature...let Dana feed Gus or Rumble to the Pilsbury-LHW first before you cream your shorts over his chances) value-bubble has clearly formed on the ridiculously small-favorited Jones here...

          setting aside my usual dog-loving/fave-suspicious inclinations...i find myself squarely on the same side of this matchup as Snapper, Jibster, Marzy, and Todster...
          So it's not over value just premature, because if he somehow beats the guys that YOU find to be a true relative judge of his skills, then he has a chance. Gotcha.

          Originally posted by fitguy67
          win or lose Jones at just -150ish is clealy the play here...that or nothing...anything else is buying into overly-blown (relative to DC's LHW resume here...which sports to date exactly ZERO truly top-teir 205'ers...) Zuffa marketing

          sometime the sharpest thing to do is just not turn down the obvious gift embedded in the price

          ______________
          Win or lose, my bets the smart money because I am the all knowing all seeing eye on top of the pyramid. If I lose, variance, if I win, edge. That's how this game works.

          God damn dude, get over yourself.
          Last edited by Crassus; 12-31-14, 01:53 PM.
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          • Wilbo86
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 01-22-14
            • 753

            #145
            Agree on reasoning for value on Jones.

            Having said that, agree re all sentiments expressed by Crassus above. Express your opinion but save the lectures, what does it matter? Don't you want people betting the other side?
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            • Cosbytherapist
              SBR High Roller
              • 12-28-14
              • 123

              #146
              [QUOTEwhipton;23256909]UFC 182 Plays
              =============


              @JonnyBones vs @dc_mma Over 4½ rounds (-140) 7 Units for 5 Units


              @Cowboycerrone (-135) 3.4 Units for 2.5 Units


              @NathanMarquardt (-165) 3.3 Units for 2 Units


              Parlay: @kyoji1012 (-600) x @HectorLombard (-505) x @evandunham155 (-350) 8.8 Units for 7 Units


              Parlay: @Brim205 (-245) x @lastcall155 (-210) 1.5 Units for 1.6 Units


              @OMARI_MMA (-135) 1.4 Units for 1 Unit


              @savageshawn Inside the disatnce (-139) 1.4 Units for 1 Unit


              @dc_mma wins by 5 round decision (+350) 3 Units for 10.1 Units






              @whipthecapper[/QUOTE]

              Love ur Cong Li avatar. I have a shirt with him on it. Don't you think its better to bet Jones by decision if you take the over? I doubt Cormier wins a decision
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              • rocky16
                SBR MVP
                • 07-22-12
                • 1905

                #147
                Originally posted by Cosbytherapist
                [QUOTEwhipton;23256909]UFC 182 Plays
                =============


                @JonnyBones vs @dc_mma Over 4½ rounds (-140) 7 Units for 5 Units


                @Cowboycerrone (-135) 3.4 Units for 2.5 Units


                @NathanMarquardt (-165) 3.3 Units for 2 Units


                Parlay: @kyoji1012 (-600) x @HectorLombard (-505) x @evandunham155 (-350) 8.8 Units for 7 Units


                Parlay: @Brim205 (-245) x @lastcall155 (-210) 1.5 Units for 1.6 Units


                @OMARI_MMA (-135) 1.4 Units for 1 Unit


                @savageshawn Inside the disatnce (-139) 1.4 Units for 1 Unit


                @dc_mma wins by 5 round decision (+350) 3 Units for 10.1 Units






                @whipthecapper
                Love ur Cong Li avatar. I have a shirt with him on it. Don't you think its better to bet Jones by decision if you take the over? I doubt Cormier wins a decision[/QUOTE]

                Looking good pal. Leaning garbrandt and jury though.
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                • JIBBBY
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 12-10-09
                  • 83693

                  #148
                  ^^ I'm thinking JJ wins by decision +235 as a prop play myself..

                  Sat 1/3 1011 Jones wins by 5 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_4" size="4"> +235
                  11:30PM 1012 Not Jones by 5 round decision <input id="editx" name="M2_4" size="4"> -295
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                  • MD
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-31-12
                    • 9728

                    #149
                    Originally posted by Crassus
                    Comparing Jon Jones vs Daniel Cormier to Alexander Schlemenko vs Tito Ortiz, solid start. Also, Uncanny MMA-IQ and creativity from Tito? FROM TITO SON? Cmon now. For disclosure, I bet Schlemenko.


                    Yeah I do think Cormier would rag doll Gus, Gus hasn't fought a wrestler like DC ever. Jones is an impressive wrestler but shucking his takedowns is not the same as avoiding someone like Cormier.

                    Also, another solid point that we should discredit all of Cormier's HW experience because it's not as creative? Because you, for some reason, hold the LHW division in higher esteem?

                    Gus deserves a shot, sure. Irrelevant point though. Cormier should probably get another fight at LHW but it doesn't really affect how you would look at the match-up, thats just you allowing inherent bias to seep into your analysis. Sure, it would be better to see him versus higher level competition but shit that's true of everybody. Haven't seen many fights where people are saying "Man, this fight would be SO much easier to cap if I just had three or four less videos to compare them to."

                    I'm going to ignore your bolded passive agressive statement, I understood earlier that you thought you were smarter and better than everyone else.




                    You're kidding, you're telling me that there is occasionally value in Dogs AND Favorites? Depending on the situation too?!


                    So it's not over value just premature, because if he somehow beats the guys that YOU find to be a true relative judge of his skills, then he has a chance. Gotcha.



                    Win or lose, my bets the smart money because I am the all knowing all seeing eye on top of the pyramid. If I lose, variance, if I win, edge. That's how this game works.

                    God damn dude, get over yourself.
                    Yup. I stopped reading his post when he began suggesting that picking the wrong side is not simply something that every gambler does, but is in fact indicative of some sort of serious personality flaw.

                    Originally posted by rocky16
                    Looking good pal. Leaning garbrandt and jury though.
                    100%.

                    Jury especially is undervalued as fock.
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                    • Thor4140
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                      • 02-09-08
                      • 22296

                      #150
                      Remember DC came into this fight when he was going to get surgery on his knee. How did the knee heal? One of those sneaky, should be illegal, kicks Jones throws could fold up that knee in a second.
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                      • fitguy67
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 03-13-11
                        • 5082

                        #151
                        Crassus, good point-by-point breakdown of my earlier post...all spot on, except you know as well as i do that i wasn't comparing the upcoming jj/dc fight in any way with the dead and buried tito/shlemenko tilt within the context of fight analysis...in fact i stated they're polar opposites in many ways...most notably in the basis for the myopia i was musing about: we now have a relatively under-respected fave in the case of jj...in contrast to an over-respected fave in shlemenko at that time...the fights themselves weren't the point of comparison at all...my point clearly is that in an effort to cultivate non-conformist (aka. "sharp") thinking...we often too heavily discount the obvious...and end up after the fight with ...

                        i remember clearly how shlemenko backers were swearing at themselves later for discounting so heavily the "size" thing...flash forward a few days...there could be similar lamenting over far too heavily discounting Jones' reach and other well known strengths...a definitely-premature (and very-possibly over-) blossoming of Cormier love is making people think that he actually should be the guy carrying the minus sign...

                        in the end, capping is all about the way we subjectively weigh essentially-objective factors...so one man's "over-" discounting of something may well be another's "under-" discounting of that same thing...

                        my point was to pour some needed cold water on what i perceived and still perceive to be an oversupply of confidence in the MUCH shorter fighter to get the very elusive Jones into his powerful wheel-house...a lot like reminding people before tito/shlemenko affair that "yes...skill rules...BUT size does matter...that's why we have weight classes and this particular match was a LHW and someone who really should be WW...and two weight classes of size is a hell of a lot of skill difference you're banking on if you go with shlem"...

                        same thing here...8 inches is a hell of a lot of reach in this game to overcome and this is no ordinary opponent for DC..so perhapse you DC backers should "curb your enthusiasm" (aka. your bet size) appropriately...

                        unfortunately, you and Wilbo--both posters among the few here whom i actually respect as consistently-solid contributors--have detected some "arrogance" in my writing syle, that i definitely did not intend...in fact, i can assure you that i'm writing as much to clarify and convince myself of newly-forming betting concepts that i'm trying to sort out/apply for myself in real time...in fact, i didn't really have a bet on Jones when i posted the "word blizzard" yesterday...but sure as hell did after, as a result of my own post!

                        i write to convince and persuade for a living...(even using capital letters and proper punctuation in the real world) ...unfortunately the intensity of exposition that's become habit puts others off, as it has here...

                        in this forum, i write to make points with bettable application...not to score points for myself at the expense of others...in this regard, i quote below the addendum to the post you analyzed...the only part you didn't comment on...it explains why i actually post quite infrequently here these days (although i log in and read as much as ever)

                        Originally posted by fitguy67
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                        i seldom post anymore on SBR ..so it's been a long while since one of my bona fide "word blizzards"...so while i'm wasting time now at the keypad...what the hell, one more thought to throw out...something i've been surprised to NOT find mentioned anywhere yet in the MMA sub-forum (which, granted, is getting harder and harder to find anything in due to all the petty mean-spirited snapping that clogs up attempts to share bet-applicable content)...

                        looking forward...i think Rousey is WAAY overpriced vs Zingano...i'll take a Dillashaw-type flyer on that one (particularly in line with the "MMA-math" angle here in terms of common-opponent Tate indicating the two at least belong together inside the same cage)
                        finally, after yesterday and today, i'm going back into "mostly read/seldom write" mode...makes for a happier and lower blood-pressured me
                        Last edited by fitguy67; 01-01-15, 12:08 AM.
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                        • Thor4140
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                          • 02-09-08
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                          #152
                          Anyone know anything about this guy?
                          Jared Cannonier JOrdan is a stiff. Might have to break my policy about not betting a fighter i havent researched.

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                          • Napes21
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 08-22-14
                            • 450

                            #153
                            Originally posted by Thor4140
                            Anyone know anything about this guy?
                            Jared Cannonier JOrdan is a stiff. Might have to break my policy about not betting a fighter i havent researched.
                            He has all of one fight you can find on the internet. He's black. He's from Alaska (not originally obviously). He's doing his camp at MMA Lab for this fight. He looks like he has decent hands. I put a play on him by TKO but given the dearth of footage on him this is just as much a fade of Jordan's chin as it is a fully researched play. Proceed with caution.
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                            • Cosbytherapist
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 12-28-14
                              • 123

                              #154
                              Originally posted by MD
                              Yup. I stopped reading his post when he began suggesting that picking the wrong side is not simply something that every gambler does, but is in fact indicative of some sort of serious personality flaw.



                              100%.

                              Jury especially is undervalued as fock.
                              MD on Jury...you all know what that means
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                              • UncleChael
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-30-13
                                • 3979

                                #155
                                Originally posted by Cosbytherapist
                                MD on Jury...you all know what that means
                                means you better take your money back, because Cowboy ain't got no Hands.
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                                • rocky16
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 07-22-12
                                  • 1905

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by Napes21
                                  He has all of one fight you can find on the internet. He's black. He's from Alaska (not originally obviously). He's doing his camp at MMA Lab for this fight. He looks like he has decent hands. I put a play on him by TKO but given the dearth of footage on him this is just as much a fade of Jordan's chin as it is a fully researched play. Proceed with caution.
                                  The one fight against the can of all cans. Dude he fought was basically pulled out of the stands. Guy couldn't even throw a proper punch. Looked like he was in a slap fight. Sorry but I think Jordan lights this niqqa stiff up and knocks him out cold.
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                                  • rocky16
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                                    • 07-22-12
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                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by Thor4140
                                    Anyone know anything about this guy?
                                    Jared Cannonier JOrdan is a stiff. Might have to break my policy about not betting a fighter i havent researched.

                                    Thor pal, this guys one fight you can find footage on was against a tomato can. Guy had never even fought and took the fight on like 10 minutes notice. They basically said "hey we'll give you $30 and a carton of menthols if you get your ass kicked by a baboon." I mean I would've knocked this can out faster than this niqqa did. Anyone who bets this stiff is a focking lunatic. That's some real degen shit if you ask me.
                                    Last edited by rocky16; 12-31-14, 10:22 PM.
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                                    • rocky16
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-22-12
                                      • 1905

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by Cosbytherapist
                                      MD on Jury...you all know what that means
                                      Thinking Jury is the play of the night but what the fock do I know. I'm thinking cowboy is gonna realize real quick jury is the real deal and we all know cowboy is a focking mental midget.
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                                      • oddtodd
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 09-04-12
                                        • 231

                                        #159
                                        So rocky are you actually betting cormier ? Wouldnt mind laughing about your losses on this one.
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                                        • rocky16
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-22-12
                                          • 1905

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by oddtodd
                                          So rocky are you actually betting cormier ? Wouldnt mind laughing about your losses on this one.
                                          I don't know you pal but I am playing black Fedor. Will you lick my taint in proper fashion if DC wins?
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                                          • oddtodd
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 09-04-12
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                                            #161
                                            Lol. Why are you so obsessed with guys sucking you off? I can handle my wins and losses. You seem like the kind of guy who is gonna bet over his head then get too boozed up and watch a beatdown on your boy. Prob smash you hand into a wall when its sealed and jones' hand gets raised. How are you going to crank it to gay porn after you break your hand tho ?
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                                            • rocky16
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-22-12
                                              • 1905

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by oddtodd
                                              Lol. Why are you so obsessed with guys sucking you off? I can handle my wins and losses. You seem like the kind of guy who is gonna bet over his head then get too boozed up and watch a beatdown on your boy. Prob smash you hand into a wall when its sealed and jones' hand gets raised. How are you going to crank it to gay porn after you break your hand tho ?
                                              Don't know where this shit is going. If you want to romance me do it via PM and not on the forum. Currently I have two plays. Parlay Dunham Lombard the Japanese manlet. A play on Garbrandt who can wrestle has slick standup and trains at the best camp for manlets.

                                              I will play DC when a like the price. You focking amateurs make me laugh. I bet you loaded up on Silva over Weidman too. You phagets can't see what's right in front of your pimply faces. This is no easy fight for Jones you think he's just gonna Waltz in there and do his fancy bullshit and beat a legit athlete like cormier without breaking a sweat? Get real. When DC drops Jones on his head you'll know you focked up. Be careful thinking the shit is a lock because its not. If DC goes in and executes the game plan he will walk out with the belt. I can't sit here while your mom sucks my cack and make any guarantees but I see where cormier can win this fight.

                                              PS

                                              I don't need to jerk myself off that's what your Hoer sister is for.
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                                              • OregonMade
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 12-23-14
                                                • 3

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by rocky16
                                                Shit pal, I saw that too. Figured Jury was just trolling us.
                                                I hope Jury isn't paying that quack much. Ridiculous
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                                                • oddtodd
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 09-04-12
                                                  • 231

                                                  #164
                                                  ∆ this is where it was going.. Wanted to see if you were going to post bets / analysis or just keep trolling. Got the former, with a touch of the latter. Will look up some garbrandt fights because I'm pretty familiar with what brimage is capable of. Thanks
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                                                  • Thor4140
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                                                    • 02-09-08
                                                    • 22296

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by rocky16
                                                    Thor pal, this guys one fight you can find footage on was against a tomato can. Guy had never even fought and took the fight on like 10 minutes notice. They basically said "hey we'll give you $30 and a carton of menthols if you get your ass kicked by a baboon." I mean I would've knocked this can out faster than this niqqa did. Anyone who bets this stiff is a focking lunatic. That's some real degen shit if you ask me.

                                                    Thanks Rock. I will stay away. By the way i just went over the judges for the DC Jones fight. This Marcos Rosales clown had Dos Santos winning four rounds against Miocis. Tony Weeks seems to be fair with his judging. This Cardio Urso clown has some shady shit in his judging records but not much. The first judge i listed will be the one we have to worry about. Messing around with this i found this judge Sal D'Amato. This fuker is a beauty. I think he is that C J Ross of MMA. I think he had Diego 30-27 over Pierson to name one. I don't think we have to worry about the judging in this one tho but ya never no. These two in my opinion really do hate each other and this isn't all an act. I like DC here but this is a big tough assignment for him to deal with that reach. If they were the same size i would be all over DC. I also think Jones kicking game can fuk Cormier up but will he be to scared to kick thinking DC will catch it and take him down?
                                                    Last edited by Thor4140; 01-01-15, 11:12 AM.
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                                                    • Crassus
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-08-12
                                                      • 1538

                                                      #166
                                                      Originally posted by fitguy67
                                                      Crassus, good point-by-point breakdown of my earlier post...all spot on, except you know as well as i do that i wasn't comparing the upcoming jj/dc fight in any way with the dead and buried tito/shlemenko tilt within the context of fight analysis...in fact i stated they're polar opposites in many ways...most notably in the basis for the myopia i was musing about: we now have a relatively under-respected fave in the case of jj...in contrast to an over-respected fave in shlemenko at that time...the fights themselves weren't the point of comparison at all...my point clearly is that in an effort to cultivate non-conformist (aka. "sharp") thinking...we often too heavily discount the obvious...and end up after the fight with ...

                                                      i remember clearly how shlemenko backers were swearing at themselves later for discounting so heavily the "size" thing...flash forward a few days...there could be similar lamenting over far too heavily discounting Jones' reach and other well known strengths...a definitely-premature (and very-possibly over-) blossoming of Cormier love is making people think that he actually should be the guy carrying the minus sign...
                                                      You caught me, I was just being kind of a dick in that one. Think about it though, there isn't really a need to bring up AS vs Tito, it's only similarity is that most people underestimated a fighter but that happens literally in every fight. Every fight people have different bets and at some point someone is going to have underestimated something (cardio, chin, blah blah blah.) Next time, just post that you think Cormier backers are under-estimating the reach advantage, don't bring up another time where you (not uniquely mind you) were correct when most on the board were wrong. The analysis is appreciated, the need to somehow justify it with an unrelated previous success is not.
                                                      Originally posted by fitguy67
                                                      in the end, capping is all about the way we subjectively weigh essentially-objective factors...so one man's "over-" discounting of something may well be another's "under-" discounting of that same thing...

                                                      my point was to pour some needed cold water on what i perceived and still perceive to be an oversupply of confidence in the MUCH shorter fighter to get the very elusive Jones into his powerful wheel-house...a lot like reminding people before tito/shlemenko affair that "yes...skill rules...BUT size does matter...that's why we have weight classes and this particular match was a LHW and someone who really should be WW...and two weight classes of size is a hell of a lot of skill difference you're banking on if you go with shlem"...
                                                      same thing here...8 inches is a hell of a lot of reach in this game to overcome and this is no ordinary opponent for DC..so perhapse you DC backers should "curb your enthusiasm" (aka. your bet size) appropriately...
                                                      The bolded part of that statement is literally useless other than to pat yourself on the back and give yourself the image of superiority. Cmon man, you must get that. Literally remove the bolded part and I have no issue.
                                                      Originally posted by fitguy67
                                                      unfortunately, you and Wilbo--both posters among the few here whom i actually respect as consistently-solid contributors--have detected some "arrogance" in my writing syle, that i definitely did not intend...in fact, i can assure you that i'm writing as much to clarify and convince myself of newly-forming betting concepts that i'm trying to sort out/apply for myself in real time...in fact, i didn't really have a bet on Jones when i posted the "word blizzard" yesterday...but sure as hell did after, as a result of my own post!

                                                      i write to convince and persuade for a living...(even using capital letters and proper punctuation in the real world) ...unfortunately the intensity of exposition that's become habit puts others off, as it has here...

                                                      in this forum, i write to make points with bettable application...not to score points for myself at the expense of others...in this regard, i quote below the addendum to the post you analyzed...the only part you didn't comment on...it explains why i actually post quite infrequently here these days (although i log in and read as much as ever)

                                                      finally, after yesterday and today, i'm going back into "mostly read/seldom write" mode...makes for a happier and lower blood-pressured me
                                                      Well I'm glad you appreciate my posts, that does earn you heavy brownie points. You must see though that there is a flaw in that you literally convinced yourself while posting to bet on Jones. That's not smart gambling, that's severely flawed. You seem to have taken an unrelated event where most people (including me in fairness) were completely wrong in a fight and since it involved a slightly similar line of thinking (valuing certain statistics such as size or reach) and you appear to have come to the conclusion that its related. That's not a good call.

                                                      Honestly, convincing yourself through your own post is not particularly helpful to the board. I try my best to always post my opinions and I've definitely not been swayed by certain arguments against me but at that point I always take into account there points as much as possible. You have to convince yourself sure but it shouldn't be through making a post you think makes a ton of sense, it should be after hearing the criticisms of your opinion. That's the whole point of the exchange of users.

                                                      Overall, I went about the post in the wrong way and probably attacked you a little too much, and on points that were irrelevant. That's an issue on the internet that as I've grown older, I've grown to understand is ineffective at fostering the type of community that I'd like to have here. So you have my sincere apologies for going down that road, it was childish and unhelpful overall. I hope you understand my points about the Tito thing, there are way too many people who show up and act like they know everything about this and they've come to bail us all out. It's not really helpful because, so far, they usually don't even know basic bankroll management. Though in fairness, that's the weakest part of my game.
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                                                      • JIBBBY
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 12-10-09
                                                        • 83693

                                                        #167
                                                        Simple facts to consider which aren't being discussed with JJ/DC - JJ - Besided the obvious reach, speed, youth, and experience going in ya gotta consider these factors as well..

                                                        1) JJ - Current UFC champ, and remains virtually unbeaten to date in this sport of MMA *fought the best*

                                                        2) JJ -A very cerebral fighter and just happens to be coached by Greg Jackson the best..(the golden egg for Greg Jackson and his on going legacy)

                                                        3) DC has trouble with his weight, spends more time behind the microphone then in the gym in recent years, at 35 years old now he still has not shown a championship mindset.. (if you notice his fighting resume it's all runner up, 2nd place, etc.)

                                                        JJ is the smart money bet going into this one and not DC...
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                                                        • marzwoody
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                                                          • 01-03-14
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                                                          #168
                                                          I watched a 30 min interview with Cormier this morning and it had me worried. he seems all kinds of crazy going into this fight, truly believes he will walk out champ.

                                                          If Jones or Cowboy lose i end up with losses. i'm sticking to my guns though.
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                                                          • Thor4140
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 02-09-08
                                                            • 22296

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                            Simple facts to consider which aren't being discussed with JJ/DC - JJ - Besided the obvious reach, speed, youth, and experience going in ya gotta consider these factors as well..

                                                            1) JJ - Current UFC champ, and remains virtually unbeaten to date in this sport of MMA *fought the best*

                                                            2) JJ -A very cerebral fighter and just happens to be coached by Greg Jackson the best..(the golden egg for Greg Jackson and his on going legacy)

                                                            3) DC has trouble with his weight, spends more time behind the microphone then in the gym in recent years, at 35 years old now he still has not shown a championship mindset.. (if you notice his fighting resume it's all runner up, 2nd place, etc.)

                                                            JJ is the smart money bet going into this one and not DC...
                                                            Jibby where is this second place for DC u are talking about? I don't see one loss on his record. U talking about the Olympics? I think he came in forth. Not to bad out of 50 billion in the world that had a chance.
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                                                            • Thor4140
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                                                              • 02-09-08
                                                              • 22296

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by marzwoody
                                                              I watched a 30 min interview with Cormier this morning and it had me worried. he seems all kinds of crazy going into this fight, truly believes he will walk out champ.

                                                              If Jones or Cowboy lose i end up with losses. i'm sticking to my guns though.
                                                              Cowboy isn't the greatest boxer and is lucky
                                                              Alvarez didn't finish him last fight. He will get picked apart like Nate did to him.
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                                                              • JIBBBY
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 12-10-09
                                                                • 83693

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by Thor4140
                                                                Jibby where is this second place for DC u are talking about? I don't see one loss on his record. U talking about the Olympics? I think he came in forth. Not to bad out of 50 billion in the world that had a chance.
                                                                Talking about his wrestling achievements and wrestling career mostly. Dude always came up a little short... I hate to use wiki as a reference source but check out his wrestling achievements.. 2nd place, runner up, etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cormier

                                                                His life time MMA achievements are Strike force Champ but that was short lived and that wasn't for the UFC world title against a guy like Jon Jones.. King of the Cage and Xtreme championships should not even be mentioned or considered as a great achievements........
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                                                                • marzwoody
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                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by Thor4140
                                                                  Cowboy isn't the greatest boxer and is lucky
                                                                  Alvarez didn't finish him last fight. He will get picked apart like Nate did to him.
                                                                  Luckily this is MMA. Cowboy is a kickboxer with nasty leg kicks. his boxing looked good to me when he dropped Barboza with a jab.. unless Jury has a pro boxing record (which he doesen't) i don't know why anyone would think Jury has a clear advantage boxing.
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                                                                  • Thor4140
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                                                                    • 02-09-08
                                                                    • 22296

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Originally posted by marzwoody
                                                                    Luckily this is MMA. Cowboy is a kickboxer with nasty leg kicks. his boxing looked good to me when he dropped Barboza with a jab.. unless Jury has a pro boxing record (which he doesen't) i don't know why anyone would think Jury has a clear advantage boxing.
                                                                    Marz a heavy wind can knock Barboza down. Gonna be a good fight tho but boxing edge goes to Jury. Cowboy has no head movement
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                                                                    • Thor4140
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 02-09-08
                                                                      • 22296

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                      Talking about his wrestling achievements and wrestling career mostly. Dude always came up a little short... I hate to use wiki as a reference source but check out his wrestling achievements.. 2nd place, runner up, etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cormier

                                                                      His life time MMA achievements are Strike force Champ but that was short lived and that wasn't for the UFC world title against a guy like Jon Jones.. King of the Cage and Xtreme championships should not even be mentioned or considered as a great achievements........
                                                                      Cmon Jibby. The only thing that article tells ya is that Cormier is one helluva wrestler. Did u miss this part of the read?
                                                                      Cormier also won a gold medal at the quadrennial Pan American Games in 2003. Another major accomplishment came in 2005. Cormier became one of a select few Americans to win a gold medal at the Ivan Yarygin Grand Prix, held in Russia, and considered by many to be the toughest wrestling tournament.
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                                                                      • fitguy67
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                                                                        • 03-13-11
                                                                        • 5082

                                                                        #175
                                                                        skill rules...but size (especially the vertical dimension of it = reach) matters...

                                                                        skill can and will overcome size/reach disadvantages...if that size disparity is offset by an at-least equally-wide skill advantage for the smaller competitor...

                                                                        for almost any taller fighter on the planet of any weight-class (outside of, perhaps...Gus/Jones/Cain)...Cormier's other-worldly combination of aggression and wrestling easily makes up for any reach disadvantage...

                                                                        but this "taller guy" is a still-early-in-in-his-prime marvel in his own rite, with a different set of skills to be sure, but among the absolute cream of the p4p crop, a LHW who fights and improvises like no other in MMA history north of MW...

                                                                        Cormier is definitely elite and a lock to ragdoll damn-near anyone on the planet except (as far as we can tell to this point) a Gus, a Jones, or a Cain

                                                                        all you MMA fans who are so dismissive of McGregor's continually-strengthening claim to greatness...have somehow been quick to taste a stronger batch of Cormier kool-aid than his credentials have thus far actually put in your glass

                                                                        Cormier might just prove to be the toughest fight Jones has ever faced (altho' it's hard to imagine anything harder than that provided by Gustaffson--that ultra-violent virtual "dead heat" between two uber-atheletes set the bar for using the words "competitive" and "violent" in the same sentence)

                                                                        everybody has seen the same tapes but we all weigh the readily-apparent factors differently as we run our own "simulation" tapes of Saturday's clash in our minds...

                                                                        we'll see...i like DC a lot and have never bet AGAINST him to this point...but at current prices, i'll take the bet that any advantages Cormier is able to employ won't be substantial enough to overcome that "reach" hole he finds himself in, in this bout...

                                                                        if DC surprises, i'll happily lose the bet and fall into the "true believer" camp and line up for the kool-aid i've been missing out on (as for mcGregor, Frankie looked SO good in his last outing agains Cub, I'm still not convinced he's the shoe-in he and his followers sincerely believe him to be)

                                                                        btw, i agree with Todd that the results of combat-sporting events (and their financial implications, positive or negative) need non carry any homosexual fellatio implications...unless one be already given to using such currency in their workaday life
                                                                        Last edited by fitguy67; 01-01-15, 07:46 PM.
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