UFC on FOX 10: Henderson Vs Thomson (January 25, 2014)

[Tommy Blingshyne]

@thor4140

bendo was -340 prior to fight time last i checked so wouldnt that imply the $$$ was pouring in on him? if the fix was in, why not have the heavy publicly backed bendo lose the decision? especially when people were laying such a retardedly large number on him to win?

[Tommy Blingshyne]

Proves absolutely nothing. I bet u are salivating to bet Faber by decision. Another bet that has no chance to win. Faber doesn't get the finish Faber is finished.

if faber loses a decision, itssimply because barao is clearly better then him...wasnt the last fight a 50-45 sweep?

[rosietop]

My Opinion, the thing with judges is that, it is their job to create an unpredictable result.

There is no real order to this unpredictable judges decisions. Sometimes dogs win or sometimes fav's win.
Their main job is to make the sport as unpredictable as possible, and of course judging fighters who often go to decision is the easiest way.

[ibetkellybro]

My Opinion, the thing with judges is that, it is their job to create an unpredictable result.

There is no real order to this unpredictable judges decisions. Sometimes dogs win or sometimes fav's win.
Their main job is to make the sport as unpredictable as possible, and of course judging fighters who often go to decision is the easiest way.

I don’t agree. Judges are often completely ignorant of the sport of mma. So their rounds look like they're throwing darts. They're not trying to do it. Then you have judges like Gene Labell who knows about MMA but has an extreme bias to certain styles and positions. So with the piss poor wording of the judging criteria. Someone like Gene can rationalize any score card based on his interpretation of "effective."

[NunyaBidness]

I don’t agree. Judges are often completely ignorant of the sport of mma. So their rounds look like they're throwing darts. They're not trying to do it. Then you have judges like Gene Labell who knows about MMA but has an extreme bias to certain styles and positions. So with the piss poor wording of the judging criteria. Someone like Gene can rationalize any score card based on his interpretation of "effective."

Exactly. A lot of these judges come from boxing, and are in fact terrible boxing judges as well. Some judges don't care about the unified rules, such as Cecil Peoples who doesn't score leg kicks. I've heard that a lot of these positions are given away politically as well. Sometimes I think the judges who misscore fights just simply don't know which fighter is which.

[Thor4140]

if faber loses a decision, itssimply because barao is clearly better then him...wasnt the last fight a 50-45 sweep?

Oh that could happen to but i doubt this version of Faber loses 5-0 but my point is that the heavily bet dog never wins a decision. I can't think of one. I wish guys would reach the age of reason and realize that these fights are gonna be rigged from the judging aspect of it. Stop saying how bad they are. This is the nonsense they want u to believe. Take away the gambling and big money and u will have good judging. Same goes for the NFL. All the time ya got to hear how bad these refs are. How the fuk could u be that bad when 99 percent of ur bad calls go to the bookmakers? Same with judging in big match mma matches. The controversial decisions always go to the bookmakers. If that doesn't tell people anything then nothing will.

[Thor4140]

@thor4140

bendo was -340 prior to fight time last i checked so wouldnt that imply the $$$ was pouring in on him? if the fix was in, why not have the heavy publicly backed bendo lose the decision? especially when people were laying such a retardedly large number on him to win?

Lines moving mean nothing. It is all part of the bookmakers game. Do u really think bookies want u to know who is being bet? It would be simple to tell who everyone was betting from line moves. Look around all the sites. Nobody was taken Bendo with that high of odds unless it is in a parlay and only a very short few accept parlay's in MMA.

[mirinquads]

My Opinion, the thing with judges is that, it is their job to create an unpredictable result.

There is no real order to this unpredictable judges decisions. Sometimes dogs win or sometimes fav's win.
Their main job is to make the sport as unpredictable as possible, and of course judging fighters who often go to decision is the easiest way.

So they tell the judges to score the fights in a way that dont make sense, for unpredictabilitys sake? Mindblowing insights here.

Count me as a member of the We hate Bendo club. Hate his demeanour and attitude. And that marriage proposal was gutwrenchingly terrible. Also all of the robberies and lost money of course. -300 favorite every time where he shouldnt be, comes through with a split every time. Luckliy didnt fall into the trap this time, and took the over instead. Was great to see Pettis flawlessly snap his shit like that.

Maybe Kabib can pull of a Thompson without breaking his hand.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

So they tell the judges to score the fights in a way that dont make sense, for unpredictabilitys sake? Mindblowing insights here.

Count me as a member of the We hate Bendo club. Hate his demeanour and attitude. And that marriage proposal was gutwrenchingly terrible. Also all of the robberies and lost money of course. -300 favorite every time where he shouldnt be, comes through with a split every time. Luckliy didnt fall into the trap this time, and took the over instead. Was great to see Pettis flawlessly snap his shit like that.

Maybe Kabib can pull of a Thompson without breaking his hand.

well put

[rosietop]

no,no. They dont just choose every fight to mess up that would be ludacris... Just some random fights. (perhaps 2 a card?)
Like I said I think its just completely at random. Theres no order to it.

And you cant just say the judges are incompetent because of coming from boxing, because the judging categories seems to change, sometimes they favor higher volume to the more powerful strikes landed sometimes vice versa, sometimes they favour takedowns more sometimes less, the main thing is that there is no no real clear structure to how some fights are judged..

[Vaughany]

Henderson comes off as an even bigger douche in this. Cerrone drinkin a beer and calls Miller "a turd in the UFC that hasnt flushed yet"! Miocic is a bit downsy I think

[goodfellas433]

Proves absolutely nothing. I bet u are salivating to bet Faber by decision. Another bet that has no chance to win. Faber doesn't get the finish Faber is finished.

Is this the common opinion of the thread? I admittedly bet Thomson by split as insurance to my big parlay...and yes it crossed my mind to take Faber by decision as another hedge...not because I think it is a smart play but because you could easily get the impression that Faber is marketable and that they could give him the gift decision.

[Vaughany]

I can hear Thor Roaring right now

[Thor4140]

Is this the common opinion of the thread? I admittedly bet Thomson by split as insurance to my big parlay...and yes it crossed my mind to take Faber by decision as another hedge...not because I think it is a smart play but because you could easily get the impression that Faber is marketable and that they could give him the gift decision.

No it isn't the common opinion in this thread. Most guys just hear what the press throws out there and think these judges are bad. Sure there are bad judges in this sport but when it comes to these big bet fight they are some of Vegas finest crooks. The money will be on Faber in this fight so i wouldn't lay a penny on him to win a decision. U take Faber u take him to win by anything but a decision. These fighters are not fixing fights it is these bought and sold judges. They are in every sport if there is gambling involved. If u want to watch a game ref fairly u have to go to a high school game. Not lines to manipulate.

[goodfellas433]

Do you like any of the prop lines on that fight Thor?

[Tommy Blingshyne]

Lines moving mean nothing. It is all part of the bookmakers game. Do u really think bookies want u to know who is being bet? It would be simple to tell who everyone was betting from line moves. Look around all the sites. Nobody was taken Bendo with that high of odds unless it is in a parlay and only a very short few accept parlay's in MMA.

you really think josh thomson was the one being bet tho? i dont...vast majority of casuals are still clueless as to who punk is...i think people were auto betting bendo cause he was the former champ and punk was more or less an "unknown 2nd rate org strikeforce" fighter...i def. think they were laying that juice...sharps recognized where the value was and they were 100% correct...doesnt mean the play is gonna cash but it was the correct play...

[Tommy Blingshyne]

put it this way, most of my friends are causal UFC fans (not even MMA for most part) and they like to wager on occassion for action...they all liked bendo even at silly close to 3-1 favorite odds...they all felt like genius's when the final decision was read much to my frustration...its a small sample size, but i think they represent the overall bigger majority of casual fans that place bets...no doubt in my mind the $ was pouring in on bendo...that dude just has the knack for being in closely contested controversial fights...i knew that he could def. steal another split decision...i even bet him in this fake $ SBR UFC contest for that reason, but he wasnt getting a single real dollar of my money tho...not at 3-1...

[MD]

Doesn't really matter, Nurmagomedov is the best 155er in the world anyway, and would starch both Bendo and Pettis.

[goodfellas433]

I need to stop watching the UFC countdown videos. I lost confidence in Overeem now, I hope his cardio improves with this new lean build...because it sure isn't as menacing as horsemeat Reem.

[marzwoody]

Tin foil hat time, the judges are working with the alluminati... or they just suck at there job but bendo won that fight so stfu.

[ibetkellybro]

Tin foil hat time, the judges are working with the alluminati... or they just suck at there job but bendo won that fight so stfu.

Truly one of the worst posters to ever grace this site. Well done.

[Thor4140]

put it this way, most of my friends are causal UFC fans (not even MMA for most part) and they like to wager on occassion for action...they all liked bendo even at silly close to 3-1 favorite odds...they all felt like genius's when the final decision was read much to my frustration...its a small sample size, but i think they represent the overall bigger majority of casual fans that place bets...no doubt in my mind the $ was pouring in on bendo...that dude just has the knack for being in closely contested controversial fights...i knew that he could def. steal another split decision...i even bet him in this fake $ SBR UFC contest for that reason, but he wasnt getting a single real dollar of my money tho...not at 3-1...

dude casual fans don't wager and sure as hell won't wager on a three to 1 shot. Nobody bets Hendo because they know he isn't worth the high odds risk because he really isn't as good as he thinks he is. He is still good but talking about breaking Andy Silva's record and shit like that is comical from a guy who gets gift decision after gift decision. Money wasn't pouring in on Bendo please. U look at the Superbowl and every swinging dick is betting Denver yet the line is coming back down instead of going up like it is supposed to. Don't u find that interesting? LInemakers play games with the lines especially when they know they have a couple of judges in their back pocket.

[Thor4140]

Truly one of the worst posters to ever grace this site. Well done.

u ever notice that the guy who talks about tin Foil hats is usually the dumbest guy on the site or one of the dumbest? A pigeon just ready to be plucked

[Tommy Blingshyne]

dude casual fans don't wager and sure as hell won't wager on a three to 1 shot. Nobody bets Hendo because they know he isn't worth the high odds risk because he really isn't as good as he thinks he is. He is still good but talking about breaking Andy Silva's record and shit like that is comical from a guy who gets gift decision after gift decision. Money wasn't pouring in on Bendo please. U look at the Superbowl and every swinging dick is betting Denver yet the line is coming back down instead of going up like it is supposed to. Don't u find that interesting? LInemakers play games with the lines especially when they know they have a couple of judges in their back pocket.

u cant be serious...casual fans absolutely wager and they absolutely love favorites, especially former champions fighting relative unknowns...the only people NOT betting bendo because of the odds were sharper bettors w/ half a clue...money was def. pouring in on bendo...i know a handful of jackasses that bet him and i know theyre about as sharp as a butter knife...

as for denver...seahawks opened as 1.5 point favorites...money came in on denver big time and pushed the line to 2 or 2.5 depending on the book you use...the line hasnt moved since..people are sitting still waiting to see what the weather situation is...sharp money is likely on the seahawks due to A. better defense B. bad weather and mannings history of playing poorly in bad weather....public will be all over denver for obvious reasons...how does this relate to the line movement of ben henderson? what youre implying is reverse line movement where a large % of bets are on one side yet the line moves the other way...so far the line hasnt moved the other way...70% of bets came in on denver and denver went from an underdog to a favorite...line has held steady since...please show me a large % of bets on josh thomson and the line moving in his favor and you might have a leg to stand on...

[ibetkellybro]

you cant really compare some bum fuk mma line to the super bowl. One market is pretty damn efficient the other is a joke.

But thor does have a leg to stand on with manipulation. One guy. ONE. Runs a tout service and releases the line. There is obviously some type of illegal (in vegas terms) manipulation of the market.

[Thor4140]

Do you like any of the prop lines on that fight Thor?

im not a prop guy. Here is how good a prop guy i am. I hit one the other night. I took those two heavyweights to go under. I hit it like the expert i am. The problem is i thought the other guy would end the fight not the other way around

[Thor4140]

u cant be serious...casual fans absolutely wager and they absolutely love favorites, especially former champions fighting relative unknowns...the only people NOT betting bendo because of the odds were sharper bettors w/ half a clue...money was def. pouring in on bendo...i know a handful of jackasses that bet him and i know theyre about as sharp as a butter knife...

as for denver...seahawks opened as 1.5 point favorites...money came in on denver big time and pushed the line to 2 or 2.5 depending on the book you use...the line hasnt moved since..people are sitting still waiting to see what the weather situation is...sharp money is likely on the seahawks due to A. better defense B. bad weather and mannings history of playing poorly in bad weather....public will be all over denver for obvious reasons...how does this relate to the line movement of ben henderson? what youre implying is reverse line movement where a large % of bets are on one side yet the line moves the other way...so far the line hasnt moved the other way...70% of bets came in on denver and denver went from an underdog to a favorite...line has held steady since...please show me a large % of bets on josh thomson and the line moving in his favor and you might have a leg to stand on...

Tell me why the book i can see numbers on are still getting pounded with Denver money slick. Now i can see real numbers. All u are doing is speculating what u think u see. To think money was flooding in on Bendo because of the line movement is almost as assine as the other idiot who tried to say people were taken Jon Jones over Gus when it was 7 to 1 odds LMFAO. I bet u are one of those guys who think the linesmakers main goal is to get even action on both sides. The dumbest thing ever said in handicapping history

[Tommy Blingshyne]

what does denver getting pounded have to do w/ ben henderson? public is pounding denver because its peyton manning and they have a high powered offense, sharp money is on seattle because theyre the overall better team w/ a better defense and the weather conditions favor their style of play...more % of bets on denver, bigger bets on seattle...simple as that...now show me a large % of bets on josh thomson and back up this claim that he was getting pounded by the public...youre using the outcome of a fight to prove a point you otherwise have absolutely no evidence of...your claim is, josh thomson lost a controversial decision, therefore, all the public money was on him...thats friggen retarded

[ibetkellybro]

no reason to argue about this. We will never see the real money coming and going. It could all be classic line movement or something else more sinister. We will never know. But there is enough information out there to draw the conclusion the markets in mma are not legit on many levels.

[Tommy Blingshyne]

im always down for a good conspiracy theory but back that sh*t up w/ some concrete evidence...not some paper thin after the fact BS

[ibetkellybro]

it's no conspiracy theory. I've posted concrete evidence before. 30 secs later it was deleted and I got a warning from an admin. It's very real what is going on.

[ibetkellybro]

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[Thor4140]

what does denver getting pounded have to do w/ ben henderson? public is pounding denver because its peyton manning and they have a high powered offense, sharp money is on seattle because theyre the overall better team w/ a better defense and the weather conditions favor their style of play...more % of bets on denver, bigger bets on seattle...simple as that...now show me a large % of bets on josh thomson and back up this claim that he was getting pounded by the public...youre using the outcome of a fight to prove a point you otherwise have absolutely no evidence of...your claim is, josh thomson lost a controversial decision, therefore, all the public money was on him...thats friggen retarded

i have never said anything about Josh getting pounded. What i have said many times and before the fact i might add is that when a guy who is favored with a high line and shouldn't be he will get the decision ten out of ten times. What i did say is that Benson in no way was getting pounded. As for ur sharp nonsense on Seattle lmfao. Why would alleged sharps bet now? Why not wait for three? These fake sharps the linesmakers want u to think about are just that. Fukin fake. Might be a handful of them and the publics money is 50000 times greater than sharp money. Dude never mind just listening to ya shows me how well linesmakers manipulate people. You nitwits will fall for anything they say.

[Tommy Blingshyne]

i have never said anything about Josh getting pounded. What i have said many times and before the fact i might add is that when a guy who is favored with a high line and shouldn't be he will get the decision ten out of ten times. What i did say is that Benson in no way was getting pounded. As for ur sharp nonsense on Seattle lmfao. Why would alleged sharps bet now? Why not wait for three? These fake sharps the linesmakers want u to think about are just that. Fukin fake. Might be a handful of them and the publics money is 50000 times greater than sharp money. Dude never mind just listening to ya shows me how well linesmakers manipulate people. You nitwits will fall for anything they say.

you sound utterly moronic

[Tommy Blingshyne]

friggen alex jones of SBR over here