OFFICIAL UFC 160 thread

[raag]

I like JDS by dec, best line on that is currently +225. JDS is not finishing Hunt on the feet and Hunt has been surprisingly slick with escaping subs at times. I am (obviously) very skeptical of JDS' top game as we haven't seen it dispalyed at all, but his defense from his back against Cain was nonexistent. I will likely rewatch the Carwin fight as the only semblance of insight we'll be able to glean on his top game will be from the time he took Carwin down early in the third... but if I remember correctly Carwin got up immediately. Hunto can eat shots all day and still hurt you when he's tired, and he counters very well. JDS' body jab is not going to bother him. JDS has a great chin though. I see the most likely outcome for the fight being JDS using a lot of movement with occasional TDs and Hunt basically getting outworked and outvolumed for a not-super-impressive decision win for JDS.

I am wary though of JDS getting TDs early in the rounds and methodically establishing position and GnPing Hunt in a position he can't get out of...

I like Cerrone over Noons. Someone else was posting that Cerrone is at 168lbs 2 weeks out from the fight when he is usually much higher which bodes well for him. Noons has had issues in the past with guys who have diverse striking games. Cerrone is great at setting up his headkicks and Noons hasn't really adapted his head movement well to MMA and tends to duck into kicks and knees (see: Masvidal fight). I think Cerrone can finish via rocking Noons with strikes and getting a sub. Noons is pretty tough though and I think I'll opt for a straight play on Cerrone rather than ITD or fight going to a dec. It's also Noons first fight on the big stage.

I reallllly like Story over Pyle. Story has good TDs and Pyle does not have great TDD. Story has a pretty stifling top game and some heavy hands. I want to rewatch some Pyle fights to gauge his movement and if he gets pinned against the cage easily... but I can see Story backing Pyle up into the cage, taking him down and controlling him pretty easily while delivering bursts of semi-substantial GnP for three rounds.

[sideloaded]

I like JDS by dec, best line on that is currently +225. JDS is not finishing Hunt on the feet and Hunt has been surprisingly slick with escaping subs at times. I am (obviously) very skeptical of JDS' top game as we haven't seen it dispalyed at all, but his defense from his back against Cain was nonexistent. I will likely rewatch the Carwin fight as the only semblance of insight we'll be able to glean on his top game will be from the time he took Carwin down early in the third... but if I remember correctly Carwin got up immediately. Hunto can eat shots all day and still hurt you when he's tired, and he counters very well. JDS' body jab is not going to bother him. JDS has a great chin though. I see the most likely outcome for the fight being JDS using a lot of movement with occasional TDs and Hunt basically getting outworked and outvolumed for a not-super-impressive decision win for JDS.

I am wary though of JDS getting TDs early in the rounds and methodically establishing position and GnPing Hunt in a position he can't get out of...

I like Cerrone over Noons. Someone else was posting that Cerrone is at 168lbs 2 weeks out from the fight when he is usually much higher which bodes well for him. Noons has had issues in the past with guys who have diverse striking games. Cerrone is great at setting up his headkicks and Noons hasn't really adapted his head movement well to MMA and tends to duck into kicks and knees (see: Masvidal fight). I think Cerrone can finish via rocking Noons with strikes and getting a sub. Noons is pretty tough though and I think I'll opt for a straight play on Cerrone rather than ITD or fight going to a dec. It's also Noons first fight on the big stage.

I reallllly like Story over Pyle. Story has good TDs and Pyle does not have great TDD. Story has a pretty stifling top game and some heavy hands. I want to rewatch some Pyle fights to gauge his movement and if he gets pinned against the cage easily... but I can see Story backing Pyle up into the cage, taking him down and controlling him pretty easily while delivering bursts of semi-substantial GnP for three rounds.

no one cares f\*g-ot

[Beelzebubzy]

JDS Cain itd Bermudez pays +120ish

[ArchieUD]

Moar odds out. Actually considering a bet on Holloway if he get's much better

[Dwil125]

Brian Bowles -300 + Cain itd.

[rocky16]

You guys think JDS finishes Hunt? I'm not seeing it.

[Beelzebubzy]

Hunt gasses so it's possible

[ArchieUD]

Not dos Santos ITD +115

[PunisherIND]

Brian Bowles -300 + Cain itd.

not concerned about the 2 year layoff?

[Beelzebubzy]

Layoff injury prone old quit previously
roop making weight and taking this on short notice helps

i think either Bowles puts him out early or roop grapples closely

[sideloaded]

Estevan Payan is my play of the century

[rocky16]

Estevan Payan is my play of the century

Tell me more.

[sideloaded]

Jeremy Stephens is going to prison. Look at how mayweather fought knowing he was going to jail

[imadegen]

anyone else think all main card favorites win? cain, jds, maynard, cerrone, and texiera? will def be throwing some sort of parlays in this mix. might stay away from jds with mark hunts k.o power. maynard been gone for over a year i believe too.

[PunisherIND]

Layoff injury prone old quit previously
roop making weight and taking this on short notice helps

i think either Bowles puts him out early or roop grapples closely

exactly. im trying to be smart with this one. I loved watching bowles run through fools in wec. kid always comes to finish. on the other hand, I cant stand roop. not sure what it is about him. I might be a little biased towards bowles here, but still, I think -300 is too steep with all these concerns.

[Vaughany]

I like JDS by dec, best line on that is currently +225. JDS is not finishing Hunt on the feet and Hunt has been surprisingly slick with escaping subs at times. I am (obviously) very skeptical of JDS' top game as we haven't seen it dispalyed at all, but his defense from his back against Cain was nonexistent. I will likely rewatch the Carwin fight as the only semblance of insight we'll be able to glean on his top game will be from the time he took Carwin down early in the third... but if I remember correctly Carwin got up immediately. Hunto can eat shots all day and still hurt you when he's tired, and he counters very well. JDS' body jab is not going to bother him. JDS has a great chin though. I see the most likely outcome for the fight being JDS using a lot of movement with occasional TDs and Hunt basically getting outworked and outvolumed for a not-super-impressive decision win for JDS.

I am wary though of JDS getting TDs early in the rounds and methodically establishing position and GnPing Hunt in a position he can't get out of...

I like Cerrone over Noons. Someone else was posting that Cerrone is at 168lbs 2 weeks out from the fight when he is usually much higher which bodes well for him. Noons has had issues in the past with guys who have diverse striking games. Cerrone is great at setting up his headkicks and Noons hasn't really adapted his head movement well to MMA and tends to duck into kicks and knees (see: Masvidal fight). I think Cerrone can finish via rocking Noons with strikes and getting a sub. Noons is pretty tough though and I think I'll opt for a straight play on Cerrone rather than ITD or fight going to a dec. It's also Noons first fight on the big stage.

I reallllly like Story over Pyle. Story has good TDs and Pyle does not have great TDD. Story has a pretty stifling top game and some heavy hands. I want to rewatch some Pyle fights to gauge his movement and if he gets pinned against the cage easily... but I can see Story backing Pyle up into the cage, taking him down and controlling him pretty easily while delivering bursts of semi-substantial GnP for three rounds.

Pyle does get backed up against the cage at times. But Story also has average TDD and unlike Pyle wont offer a threat off his back. Pyle dominated Hathaway for three rounds with his grappling, while Hathaway got the better of Story in that department, not that this automatically means Pyle will dominate Story, but still it should be considered before people think Story will be able to control where the fight goes

[Vaughany]

Estevan Payan is my play of the century

Wouldnt be surprised if he takes this.,..Lil Heathen just isnt evolving. Payan is talkin big game on his facebook! His weight-cut has gone well, down to 151.4 this morning. 6lbs with a few days left should be comfortable..

[Vaughany]

Layoff injury prone old quit previously
roop making weight and taking this on short notice helps

i think either Bowles puts him out early or roop grapples closely

exactly. im trying to be smart with this one. I loved watching bowles run through fools in wec. kid always comes to finish. on the other hand, I cant stand roop. not sure what it is about him. I might be a little biased towards bowles here, but still, I think -300 is too steep with all these concerns.

yeah bowles was a killer in WEC. Probably gets a guillotine or something but -300 is too steep. Was hoping he'd be closer to -200.

[FightFightFight]

Jeremy Stephens is going to prison. Look at how mayweather fought knowing he was going to jail

Now thats how you cap!

[mirinquads]

Hmmm Roop might be the play to make here, he's not good though.

Extreme lay off coupled with horrific back injuries. The guy basically can't train back, doesnt deadlift or Olympic lift anymore. Not that that is necessarily the deal breaker, but if he can't do that, good chance he can't grapple / throw punches as effectively as he should be. And -315?

How is Paycan as a fighter? Only have access to very limited footage. Good chin?

[rocky16]

Jeremy Stephens is going to prison. Look at how mayweather fought knowing he was going to jail

And Stephens is fighting at 145. Interesting.

[Grabaka]

If my memory serves me well: good chin, gritty, comes right at you, average hog, mexican workrate, average striking, favorite technique is the leg hump and the ground n leghump....
He might make it happen dog! I cant jump in yet but i like it. (No tape watching yet)

[illmatick]

reminds me of that time Jesse Lennox got boxed up by a young Rick Story.

Someone remind Mike Pyle not to fold.

[mirinquads]

-260 looks way of at first glance at least, heathen has looked like shit his last fights, got toyed withh by cowboy and koed by thugjitzu master of all people. Maybe semi hedge itd prob, as he can Ko anyone on any night as we know.

[sideloaded]

sorry ill vitor got me too

[gabe]

Does Story hit hard enough to make anyone fold?

Lean story but pass for me. Only one big play on this card for your cousin.

[Vaughany]

Does Story hit hard enough to make anyone fold?

Lean story but pass for me. Only one big play on this card for your cousin.

Gotta be "Blessed"?

[MD]

I can't believe I missed those openers. It's my anniversary today but I still checked the lines every half-hour at least like a mad man. Colton Smith -130? What the actual f-ck?

[PunisherIND]

I can't believe I missed those openers. It's my anniversary today but I still checked the lines every half-hour at least like a mad man. Colton Smith -130? What the actual f-ck?

remind me never to go out on a date with you.

[Sacrelicious]

I'd consider Gray a relatively high-IQ fighter; not the highest, but above the norm. If things don't go well in the stand-up I think he'll go for takedowns close to 100% of the time. Keep in mind, he tried to take Guida down nine times, even though he must have felt like he was doing well in the stand-up in that fight.

I definitely see the argument for a Grant play at dog odds, but I really rate Maynard highly, and I'm not sure Grant is on his level. Maynard is an unbelievably good fighter, and while Grant has a lot of potential (arguably should have gotten the nod against Hendricks, or at least a draw), I'm not sure he's at that level yet.

I tend to agree with most of this, and a few years ago, at these lines, I would be pounding Maynard. My only reason for not doing so has been the fact that the "fighter years" seem to be hitting him really hard right now.

I will not be pounding Grant by any means, but I do like a small play on him as well as a flier on Grant ITD, I think the line is quite favorable.

[Sacrelicious]

I can't believe I missed those openers. It's my anniversary today but I still checked the lines every half-hour at least like a mad man. Colton Smith -130? What the actual f-ck?

I missed it, opened during service time, unreal. That line dropped in a matter of minutes, I would have pounded that into oblivion.

Might still be value in Smith Dec -140 though, methinks.

[Beelzebubzy]

	5 Team Parlay
				Pending	5/25/13 11:30pm Props Fighting 1025 Velasquez wins in round 1 +200* vs Any other result
				Pending	5/25/13 11:30pm Props Fighting 1128 Any other result -8375* vs Hunt wins by submission
				Pending	5/25/13 11:00pm Props Fighting 1233 Teixeira wins by TKO/KO +240* vs Any other result
				Pending	5/25/13 9:00pm Props Fighting 1607 Bermudez wins by 3 round decision +140* vs Not Bermudez by 3 round decision
				Pending	5/25/13 8:30pm Props Fighting 1707 Smith wins by 3 round decision -140* vs Not Smith by 3 round decision

[Beelzebubzy]

damn Cerrone by Sub was +420

HOLY HELL

[Hannibal]

anyone like roop here??
roop is like 10x tougher than bowles, dude basically quit in the cruz fight after he hurt his hand like a bitch

[MD]

anyone like roop here??
roop is like 10x tougher than bowles, dude basically quit in the cruz fight after he hurt his hand like a bitch

I don't like this line of thinking. I think it's easy to underestimate the mental strain that injuries can put on someone, and to underestimate how difficult it actually is to fight professionally. There are a lot of guys with unbelievable heart who fight on through horrid injuries, like Faber, but people who don't live up to those standards shouldn't be considered bitches or pussies.

That being said, Roop might be my least favourite fighter in the world and I have no idea why. He's my favourite fighter to watch tape on because I love seeing him get KO'd. I really don't know why, he just annoys me. I can't even remember seeing any interviews with him that would make me feel that way.

Bowles will take him down and smother him, me thinks.