UFC 159: Jones vs. Sonnen

[NunyaBidness]

You think vinny is going to outstrike Phil for three rounds taking the decision here? If vinny wins somehow it's probably going to be a finish itd. Are you just saying the -1100 for that isn't fair?

Yeah, I don't like it.

Vinny's striking has improved, and Phil's striking doesn't impress me at all.

Assuming Phil avoids the ground game, I can envision a boring point-fighting battle with Vinny winning a decision. Combined with the small chance of Phil taking him down, but Vinny being unable to submit him, but winning the battle on the ground. I see those scenarios playing out FAR more than 9% of the time.

[MD]

Yeah, I don't like it.

Vinny's striking has improved, and Phil's striking doesn't impress me at all.

Assuming Phil avoids the ground game, I can envision a boring point-fighting battle with Vinny winning a decision. Combined with the small chance of Phil taking him down, but Vinny being unable to submit him, but winning the battle on the ground. I see those scenarios playing out FAR more than 9% of the time.

Something to consider is that while he seems to have an okay chin, Phil Davis is one of the worst top 10 fighters in the world at taking a punch. Brock got a lot of crap for being unable to take a shot to the face, but Davis is even worse. Vinny is no master striker, but if he punches Phil in the face, you can expect Phil to react poorly. Whether that means Phil turtles up and makes it easy for Vinny to finish, or he simply fights really tentatively and is more likely to get decisioned, I don't know. Both are strong possibilities if he eats some shots.

[Dwil125]

I guess I could see that, are you guys on vinny straight up then? I probably wont parlay the prop.. I had not noguiera via decision against rashad as an anchor, and that didnt end up well.

[NunyaBidness]

I guess I could see that, are you guys on vinny straight up then? I probably wont parlay the prop.. I had not noguiera via decision against rashad as an anchor, and that didnt end up well.

Depends on line movement. Right now my money is on Davis by dec and Davis by sub.

[MD]

I'm on Davis by decision, also. Not impossible that Davis finds the TKO on the ground, but I really see him grounding Vinny and doing his best to avoid any damage for three rounds in what will likely be the worst fight of the month.

[gabe]

I guess I could see that, are you guys on vinny straight up then? I probably wont parlay the prop.. I had not noguiera via decision against rashad as an anchor, and that didnt end up well.

That was an awful bet. Decision was his best shot at winning.

[NunyaBidness]

That was an awful bet. Decision was his best shot at winning.

Eye doctor says your hindsight is 20/20.

[PunisherIND]

I guess I could see that, are you guys on vinny straight up then? I probably wont parlay the prop.. I had not noguiera via decision against rashad as an anchor, and that didnt end up well.

If you're looking for something to parlay, I like Not davis in rd 1 at -1050. also like jones/sonnen doesn't start round 5 at -335.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

If you're looking for something to parlay, I like Not davis in rd 1 at -1050. also like jones/sonnen doesn't start round 5 at -335.

Very wise parlay young Grasshopper. $ in the bank.

[gabe]

Eye doctor says your hindsight is 20/20.

I thought Nog edging a decision was his ONLY shot at winning. I find it silly that someone would think it's the LEAST likely outcome of the match-up. I thought he had almost no shot at finishing Rashad but had little shot at edging a decision. In HINDSIGHT, he had more than a little shot.

[Vaughany]

Lol

[rocky16]

Christ, here we go again.

[Dwil125]

I thought Nog edging a decision was his ONLY shot at winning. I find it silly that someone would think it's the LEAST likely outcome of the match-up. I thought he had almost no shot at finishing Rashad but had little shot at edging a decision. In HINDSIGHT, he had more than a little shot.

I thought he had almost no shot of winning a decision or finishing rashad, and the not lil nog by decision was a better price. it wasnt an awful bet rashad just didnt show up.

[MD]

I thought he had almost not shot of winning a decision or finishing rashad, and the not lil nog by decision was a better price. it wasnt an awful bet rashad just didnt show up.

Why not play Rashad straight then?

[Dwil125]

Why not play Rashad straight then?

lol I dont remember this was in febuary, I think all my money was tied up on Reem with like $20 on bigfoot kotn. this was just the anchor of a parlay that I expected to complete. Not vinny by decision reminded me of it.

[rocky16]

I thought he had almost no shot of winning a decision or finishing rashad, and the not lil nog by decision was a better price. it wasnt an awful bet rashad just didnt show up.

Pal, I'm pretty sure Gabey is trolling again.

[gabe]

I thought he had almost no shot of winning a decision or finishing rashad, and the not lil nog by decision was a better price. it wasnt an awful bet rashad just didnt show up.

True that Rashad should have easily won but Not Nog ITD would have been a better bet. Even if Rashad did deserve a 30-27, you'd have to consider a robbery. I could have foreseen Nog edging a decision or robbing one but I couldn't see him finishing Rashad in any way

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[MD]

True that Rashad should have easily won but Not Nog ITD would have been a better bet. Even if Rashad did deserve a 30-27, you'd have to consider a robbery. I could have foreseen Nog edging a decision or robbing one but I couldn't see him finishing Rashad in any way

With Rashad's suspect chin and Nog's superior boxing, a knockout was impossible, I agree. Nog's ground game is awful too, no chance of a sub bro.

[Vaughany]

Rashad has a granite chin and Lil Nog makes Dominick Cruz look like a power puncher fellaz!

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Nice try pally.

[MD]

Don't worry guys, I clicked "Remove user from ignore list" so now Gabe can see our posts again!

[Sykes]

If you're looking for something to parlay, I like Not davis in rd 1 at -1050. also like jones/sonnen doesn't start round 5 at -335.

Nice better than Jones ITD, its better in the McMann fight too..

4/27/2013 8:30 PM UFC Fighting 1701 Sheila Gaff/Sara McMann* Under 2½ -155 1.645
4/27/2013 8:30 PM Props Fighting 1709 McMann wins inside distance* -147 1.680 vs Not McMann inside distance
4/27/2013 8:30 PM Props Fighting 1736 Fight won't start round 3* -131 1.763 vs Gaff/McMann starts round 3

[Grabaka]

If you're looking for something to parlay, I like Not davis in rd 1 at -1050. also like jones/sonnen doesn't start round 5 at -335.

This man is underrated!

[Hannibal]

davis will not go to the ground with vinny

look at the trend...guys buy into the hype of people with dangerous guards. Joe Rogan always educates fans the same way: he should back out and stand back up! dont want to play around in his guard!

people buy into this trend... look at cormier.. he could probably have beat mir on the ground by jamming his hips the same way brock did
but he was scared as hell to go to the ground. These guys with "dangerous guards" are getting waaaay too much credit. Its like an exaggerated ghost story. you see as soon as they hit the ground, these guys just spazz out and hurry to get back out

i think this is the wrong attitude, and can make you predictable and maybe make a mistake in your panic. Look at GSP, he's not afraid to play in the guard, because his mentality is to block the attacks, rather than thinking only of escape. look at melendez vs aoki. Bet aoki was fkn shocked that melendez chose to stay there and pound on him


davis will avoid the ground like a plague

[PunisherIND]

This man is underrated!

thanks grabber. I think its because i'm not on twitter.

[Sacrelicious]

If you're looking for something to parlay, I like Not davis in rd 1 at -1050. also like jones/sonnen doesn't start round 5 at -335.

Solid.

[Grabaka]

thanks grabber. I think its because i'm not on twitter.

Yeah bro. You need to be more black and explosive to get the hype but great props always.

[Vaughany]

davis will not go to the ground with vinny

look at the trend...guys buy into the hype of people with dangerous guards. Joe Rogan always educates fans the same way: he should back out and stand back up! dont want to play around in his guard!

people buy into this trend... look at cormier.. he could probably have beat mir on the ground by jamming his hips the same way brock did
but he was scared as hell to go to the ground. These guys with "dangerous guards" are getting waaaay too much credit. Its like an exaggerated ghost story. you see as soon as they hit the ground, these guys just spazz out and hurry to get back out

i think this is the wrong attitude, and can make you predictable and maybe make a mistake in your panic. Look at GSP, he's not afraid to play in the guard, because his mentality is to block the attacks, rather than thinking only of escape. look at melendez vs aoki. Bet aoki was fkn shocked that melendez chose to stay there and pound on him


davis will avoid the ground like a plague

But his striking isnt good. Cormier can do that because he has serviceable striking and power to hurt opponents, Davis doesnt (based on what we've seen so far)

[PunisherIND]

anyone check this website before: http://www.fightbetnetwork.com/events/UFC-159 looks pretty solid. i like how they consolidated a lot of resources into one website.

[Dwil125]

not belcher decision -480?

[Vaughany]

[Vaughany]

[Vaughany]

lol Davis been learning some new skillz from Lloyd Irvin!...

UFC star Phil Davis has a huge fight Saturday night in New Jersey, but the bigger fight may be May 7 in San Diego, where his baby mama will accuse him of crazy brutality, including violent sex ... and she blames it on martial arts.

According to legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Vantris Patterson claims Davis body slammed her on a couch with such force ... when the couch slid into the wall paint came off. She took pictures (below) which she claims show the injuries.

And Patterson says, Davis -- aka Mr. Wonderful -- would often choke her during intercourse, and when she'd plead with him to stop he'd respond, "Shut the f*** up, bitch."

She says Davis has threatened to kill her numerous times if she ever slept with another man.

Now here's the hook -- Patterson claims Davis' alleged propensity for violence has escalated because of his involvement in the UFC. She says, "I am afraid that the numerous fights have negatively impacted his mental stability," and she can't defend herself because of his "increased strength and attacking ability."

Davis makes his own claims ... that Patterson is the violent one who put a pic of a Glock up on Facebook and wrote, "... His day will come." He also says she texted him, "I can't wait until the day you die so I can spit in ur face [painful and slow]."


As for his MMA training, Davis says he's never used his skills outside the Octagon.

When they're in court on May 7, they're both asking for permanent restraining orders and each wants full custody.

[PunisherIND]

lol Davis been learning some new skillz from Lloyd Irvin!...

UFC star Phil Davis has a huge fight Saturday night in New Jersey, but the bigger fight may be May 7 in San Diego, where his baby mama will accuse him of crazy brutality, including violent sex ... and she blames it on martial arts.

According to legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- Vantris Patterson claims Davis body slammed her on a couch with such force ... when the couch slid into the wall paint came off. She took pictures (below) which she claims show the injuries.

And Patterson says, Davis -- aka Mr. Wonderful -- would often choke her during intercourse, and when she'd plead with him to stop he'd respond, "Shut the f*** up, bitch."

She says Davis has threatened to kill her numerous times if she ever slept with another man.

Now here's the hook -- Patterson claims Davis' alleged propensity for violence has escalated because of his involvement in the UFC. She says, "I am afraid that the numerous fights have negatively impacted his mental stability," and she can't defend herself because of his "increased strength and attacking ability."

Davis makes his own claims ... that Patterson is the violent one who put a pic of a Glock up on Facebook and wrote, "... His day will come." He also says she texted him, "I can't wait until the day you die so I can spit in ur face [painful and slow]."


As for his MMA training, Davis says he's never used his skills outside the Octagon.

When they're in court on May 7, they're both asking for permanent restraining orders and each wants full custody.

holy shit! this cant be good for his mental state.