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  • sideloaded
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    #1
    Cat Zingano will beat Miesha Tate and Ronda Rousey.
    Miesha Tate has many holes in her game. We've all seen them abused over and over in the Rousey fight and the Kedzie fight. And also the Kaufman fight.

    Tate is not a good wrestler. Yes she wins that way but her takedowns and very subpar but she uses strength and tenacity to get it the ground over small weaker opponents and her offensive grappling is above average for the 135 division. Tate wrestled in high school and never at the college or international lvl.

    Tate's stand up is horrible but this par for the course in wmma. Sadly for Tate she leaves herself open for the high kick which is virtually the only strike a wmma fighter can throw and really hurt another opponent.

    Cat Zingano is a wrestler. She wrestled in college and at the international level as Catherine Albert. She was never the number one girl for USA (see Sara Mcmann) but she competed and was one of the top girls in the country.

    Zigano has been focusing on bjj since college. She works at a black house affiliate full time with her husband. Her game is much more complete and technical compared to Tates. Cat is methodical and fine playing the inside clinch game and grinding for multiple rounds waiting for the opponent to make a mistake.

    Cat's stand up is ok. Nothing special she had a few thai fights overseas and can probably hang with anyone not named Sarah Kaufman on the feet. It doesn't matter much because she will close the distance and get the clinch much like Rousey eating whatever weak ass punches she needs too.

    Clear win for Zingano probably by decision with superior positioning against Tate.


    Now for Cat vs Rousey. The number one thing Rousey holds over her previous opponents is time spent training. Almost all her previous opponents have less than 4 years training mma. With a bulk of that training focusing on stand up which is pretty useless in wmma. Rousey's judo training is what she uses and abuses. Almost nothing from her brief mma training is used except a pawing jab and modified grips without the gi. She is still doing judo inside an mma cage.

    Strength and size is also needed to beat Rousey. Here is a recent picture of Cat.


    And no Rousey and judo women in general are not 1 in a million type athletes. Yes they work hard but rousey would not beat most of the college women athletes at the division 1 level in any sport say in a nfl combine type setting. Rousey strengths are almost all geared towards judo.

    Rousey's stand up is horrible we can pretty much skip this section of the breakdown. Not that it would matter if she was good anyways because she still would only be able to use it to score points since KO power doesn't really exist in wmma.

    The meat of the RR vs Cat fight will be fought in clinching range. This is where rousey's strength's and weaknesses will come out. RR is a chain grappler and uses speed to overwhelm her opponents defenses. This has worked so far because opponents A> did not have proper footage of what rousey was going to execute. B> she was fighting girls so new to the grappling scene that the speed was too fast for these girls to counter because they were still thinking about moves instead of acting on instinct. for example Carmouche is just a blue belt.


    The carmouche/tate fight showed where rousey is weak. It's giving her back. Although in both cases this was because she is so ultra aggressive and trained for being reactive instead of proactive for her defense. Still a blue belt had some success against her.

    Cat has been wrestling most of her adult life and has some very good bjj experience and teachers. Her husband Zingano is a black belt and well respected in the bjj community. Rousey now has many minutes of grappling footage in the wild for all the bjj teachers to form various game plans for. Remember Carmouche's main bjj coach was a scrub named Walael Watson. A UFC washout.

    Honestly I see this fight being a grind with Cat shutting down most take downs or getting right back up quickly. I think this will frustrate rousey and get her slightly panicking when her speed attacks are shutdown for long periods. I see Zingano slowely working the explosive Rousey down and taking her back and finishing what Tate and Carmouche couldn't. It wont be quick because Zingano is a grinder but she rarely makes positional mistakes that Rousey feeds off of.




    Last edited by sideloaded; 03-27-13, 11:48 AM.
  • Vaughany
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    #2
    Zingano could beat Tate for sure.
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    • sideloaded
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      #3
      Zingano and Mcmann dont jump off the screen like armbars and giant judo throws. But what they do is just as technical. Imagine a Rousey fight without a takedown and it gets ugly pretty quickly.

      Going life and death with a c lvl fighter like carmouche and almost being finished. Exposed RR for anyone that knows what they are watching.

      Hell as a white Belt Sara Mcmann went against Penny Thomas one of the greatest female grapplers of all time and didn't look that bad.
      Last edited by sideloaded; 03-27-13, 11:26 AM.
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      • sideloaded
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        #4
        if you dont think there is market bias just read some of the shit posted on ther internet and compare it to what you see in the cage.


        Ronda Rousey is going to be huge
        I know she's big now.

        But she's a special athlete. She is a major PPV star, she has an armbar like no other, she has this aura. She's truly the greatest female fighter of all time, she's surpassed Cyborg.

        But I think when we look back on things in twenty or thirty years time, she'll be the athlete that dominated the generation.

        She's completely special. Anyone who can't see that is foolish. Jon Jones could also follow suit. I think he'll have a very short prime, though.
        Almost finished by a blue belt.

        cant make this shit up
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        • v1y
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          #5
          Why do people keep talking about ronda's performance against carmouche as if it wasn't the exact same thing thing happened against tate?
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          • gabe
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            #6
            Rousey's striking is not as bad as you make it sound, so I don't know how much you're exaggerating with the rest of your post... There's no way you can train with the striking coaches she trains with every day and still be a poor striker. It's just not possible, I don't care who you are.
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            • sideloaded
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              #7
              Originally posted by gabe
              Rousey's striking is not as bad as you make it sound, so I don't know how much you're exaggerating with the rest of your post... There's no way you can train with the striking coaches she trains with every day and still be a poor striker. It's just not possible, I don't care who you are.
              lol

              Reminds me of some of the absolute morons that where talking up rousey's striking in the Kaufman fight. How she came out so aggressive. She missed 4 jabs in a row. And the jabs were god awful. A JAB.

              Cant make this shit up.

              She made Tate look good striking. That says it all right there.


              Originally Posted by consortium11
              It behoves someone making such a point to have watched the bouts in question.

              Take Ronda's most recent bout against Kaufman. She opens the bout by rushing across the cage flicking out an awful jab. As soon as she gets into something resembling range (and I note she still falls short with her punches) and tries to throw a right hand she squares up, leaves her chin in the air, drops her shoulders and actually gets cracked in the jaw at which point she simply bullies her way into the ciinch and works her clinch game. In the entire exchange she didn't land a single shot while Kaufman appears to land virtually 100% of hers.

              Rousey's standup is entirely about getting her into the pocket where she can clinch the opponent. She rarely lands shots, when she does they have next to no power and she regularly gets hit. The reality is though that there are very few WMMArtists who have any real power in their fists and so even though she does get hit it doesn't make a whole difference as she can still get into the clinch where the variety of high-school level (at best) wrestlers she faces offer virtually nothing.
              from sherdogs boxing section

              Anyone talking about rousey's striking as "good" is just an idiot of epic proportions.

              But like I said striking doesnt matter much in wmma. no KO power. Only people like kaufman who can score points and not be taken down can win with striking.

              There really is no point about talking about it unless cyborg is fighting. or you like watching amateur point fighting contests (like kaufmans fights)
              Last edited by sideloaded; 03-27-13, 03:35 PM.
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              • sideloaded
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                #8
                Originally posted by v1y
                Why do people keep talking about ronda's performance against carmouche as if it wasn't the exact same thing thing happened against tate?
                are you really asking this?
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                • gabe
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                  #9
                  What's the over/under on the number of consecutive successful title defenses Rhonda Rousey will make that will finally bring sideloaded to kill himself?
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                  • gabe
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by gabe
                    What's the over/under on the number of consecutive successful title defenses Rhonda Rousey will make that will finally bring sideloaded to kill himself?
                    lol i feel like if she keeps winning, he's really going to lose his shit
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                    • gabe
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                      #11
                      love you, sider house rules.
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                      • Marv001
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                        #12
                        Thanks for sharing your views sideloaded. I will be watching for sure. I don't think RR was close to being submitted by Carmouche bcs it looked like Carmouche had her on the chin instead of the neck. Carmouche tapped out extra fast bcs she didn't want her arm broke.
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                        • sideloaded
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Marv001
                          Thanks for sharing your views sideloaded. I will be watching for sure. I don't think RR was close to being submitted by Carmouche bcs it looked like Carmouche had her on the chin instead of the neck. Carmouche tapped out extra fast bcs she didn't want her arm broke.
                          you're right. She tried to muscle a neck crank instead of being calm, cool and collected and wait and use technique to get under the chin.


                          Fedor has an awesome video on youtube on how he finished fujita and tim sylia with that choke.

                          But like I said Carmouche is a C lvl fighter, a blue belt and has no business really being in the UFC. She had trouble and lost the first round big in invicta against top 50 lvl talent.

                          Like I said. Zingano or most competent grapplers finish that choke. Tate's elbow was already dislocated and popped back in when she took ROusey's back.
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                          • sideloaded
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by gabe
                            lol i feel like if she keeps winning, he's really going to lose his shit
                            Im not losing it.

                            Yeah I lost the +280 any other result. But it was a good bet.

                            Im giving out free +ev information to the board that I have researched. You can follow the advice or not.
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                            • Grabaka
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by sideloaded
                              Im not losing it.

                              Yeah I lost the +280 any other result. But it was a good bet.

                              Im giving out free +ev information to the board that I have researched. You can follow the advice or not.
                              That penetrating +280 any other result was about to take me to cancun free.
                              Good bet indeed.
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                              • gabe
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by sideloaded
                                lol

                                Reminds me of some of the absolute morons that where talking up rousey's striking in the Kaufman fight. How she came out so aggressive. She missed 4 jabs in a row. And the jabs were god awful. A JAB.

                                Cant make this shit up.

                                She made Tate look good striking. That says it all right there.




                                from sherdogs boxing section

                                Anyone talking about rousey's striking as "good" is just an idiot of epic proportions.

                                But like I said striking doesnt matter much in wmma. no KO power. Only people like kaufman who can score points and not be taken down can win with striking.

                                There really is no point about talking about it unless cyborg is fighting. or you like watching amateur point fighting contests (like kaufmans fights)
                                You sound really dumb lol fighters often throw jabs just to throw it out there to let the opponent know it's there... you're using that for your main reason as to why she's a bad striker lol gtfo man
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                                • PunisherIND
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                                  #17
                                  To be fair to the women, that broad who wore the little plaid skirt has some mean stand up. Cute too. Her name escapes me however.
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                                  • sideloaded
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by gabe
                                    You sound really dumb lol fighters often throw jabs just to throw it out there to let the opponent know it's there... you're using that for your main reason as to why she's a bad striker lol gtfo man

                                    yes and you learn on the first day not to throw a jab like that. It's called pawing and very poor form. What is your reasoning that her striking is any better than a day 1 amateur? u trolling me breah? u aware?
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                                    • Hannibal
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                      To be fair to the women, that broad who wore the little plaid skirt has some mean stand up. Cute too. Her name escapes me however.
                                      joanne "jojo" calderwood?
                                      i thought she was sexy as hell at the weighins
                                      her mt is very sharp for a woman
                                      she has absolutely no power, but she throws lots of kicks and knees
                                      i have the impression that she would be taken down easily, a she fights very tall, appears very unmuscular for her weight class, and has that slo muaythai footwork
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                                      • Hannibal
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                                        #20
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                                        • Hannibal
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                                          #21
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                                          • gabe
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by sideloaded
                                            yes and you learn on the first day not to throw a jab like that. It's called pawing and very poor form. What is your reasoning that her striking is any better than a day 1 amateur? u trolling me breah? u aware?
                                            She trains with legit striking coaches. Safe to say it's above day 1 amateur level, m'bruh
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                                            • sideloaded
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by gabe
                                              What's the over/under on the number of consecutive successful title defenses Rhonda Rousey will make that will finally bring sideloaded to kill himself?
                                              hey ghost kid go tell your twink f-ck buddy to just go ahead and give +1200 on rouseys next three openents you pathetic excuse of a human.

                                              You're the typical house nI**ER. Spent too much time on the other side of the counter sucking jew bookmaker dick.

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                                              • Kermit
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                                                #24
                                                I am much more excited for the Zingano/Tate fight than I was for the Rousey/Lez fight.
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                                                • sideloaded
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                                                  #25
                                                  This is the last straw. Im going ether fight ghost for the punk bitch bookmaker spy that has been stinking up these boards for years. Let the shit stand and it's going to attract flies. You crossed me for the last time ghost_f\*g. Expect a a nice expo's e on you coming soon.

                                                  53000 tweets. cant make this shit up. I hope you are disabled. If not you must be really one ugly POS.
                                                  Last edited by sideloaded; 03-27-13, 07:57 PM.
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                                                  • sideloaded
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                                                    #26
                                                    The curious case of our dear friend Fight Ghost. Why just an hour ago you see some friendly banter with the one and only mma oddsmaker.


                                                    Now why would a guy who rarely posts comb SBR day in and day out reading every thread but never give back to the community with fight analysis or picks??

                                                    How deep does this rabbit hole go? WHy oh why would someone do that and be super BFF's with the enemy?

                                                    Im only scratching the surface this case could take me weeks to crack and expose what is really going on with our dear friend fight ghost.
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                                                    • PunisherIND
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                                                      #27
                                                      Yes hannibal, thats her. Thanks for the pics buddy.

                                                      I think she fights at atomweight or minimumweight.
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                                                      • NunyaBidness
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                                        I think she fights at atomweight or minimumweight.
                                                        A couple more protein shakes and Gabe's gonna be ready for that.
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                                                        • sideloaded
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                                                          #29
                                                          Fight Ghost is everything that is wrong with this forum. In fact people like him undermine the whole reason of posting. Vaughn, nunyna, grabaka, pun, and many others contribute with many things. They may not like you, or troll or be a dick. But in the end the add something of value. Even defacto with his trolling has posted useful stuff.

                                                          I often try to post my research and help because when I was a newbie and others did help me. Even if some were dicks about it.

                                                          But then we got people like ghost. They never post. Never add some news, never offer opinion or ridicule someone for betting in a way that will ruin them.

                                                          Now this wouldn't be so if he just wanted to read and use all the info for himself and never give back. Im sure there are many lurkers. But ghost takes it one step too far. He reads for a purpose. He is helping the enemy. He consults with odds makers. Sucks up everyones goodswill and like a rat scurries back to the costa rican bookmakers selling all his wares he has stolen for the forum. For the sole reason of getting paid a flat fee for being a consultant. Because he could never actually beat the books on his own. He's too fanboish for that.

                                                          He has to scrape the gum off the shoe of the internet for the meager paypal bread crumbs his bookmaker friends are willing to pay him that week. Sad thing is this snake would do it for free. As long as the retweeted him on twitter. I bet fight ghost cant tear himself away from twitter to even respond just waiting for HHH or some WWE lowlife to tweet him back.



                                                          Cant make this shit up.
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                                                          • Wanna Bet On It?
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                                                            #30
                                                            Umm, can't the Costa Rican books just lurk here and get a pulse on the "sharps" instead of paying a consultant's fee to Fight Ghost to do that? It's not like this forum has any privacy restrictions.

                                                            I don't release any information/leans until the lines are posted and I've made my move. I'd advise the same to others but people are free to do whatever they like.
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                                                            • sideloaded
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                              Umm, can't the Costa Rican books just lurk here and get a pulse on the "sharps" instead of paying a consultant's fee to Fight Ghost to do that? It's not like this forum has any privacy restrictions.

                                                              I don't release any information/leans until the lines are posted and I've made my move. I'd advise the same to others but people are free to do whatever they like.
                                                              makes sense but you would have to tweet fight ghost. I cant find his post. But while we were all having a bit of a laugh about joey odessa's idiocy fight_shit came into the thread white knighting the dude.

                                                              After a few conversations he spilled the beans about being a consultant. Im sure he is paid minimum wage. Some friends of mine spend the extra 200 a week for a personal assistant. They don't really need one. But they like to take ads out in the local papers and snag these young 20 something college girls. Even though they do a shit job and are grossly under qualified. They like to mentally f-ck them for a couple months. It's even better if they have POS boyfriends that sit at home and play COD. Then they actually f-ck her while she is at work and her BF is COD'ing all day. After that they get whiny and it's time to hire a new one.

                                                              I can only guess this is the kind of relationship Joey has here with ghost_shit. It also explains why this rat never actually posts words. After he outed himself as a snitch he must of signed some contract about not posting publicly on forums or some shit. I mean if anything I posted was false surely he would defend himself.
                                                              Last edited by sideloaded; 03-27-13, 10:00 PM.
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                                                              • Wanna Bet On It?
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by sideloaded
                                                                makes sense but you would have to tweet fight ghost. I cant find his post. But while we were all having a bit of a laugh about joey odessa's idiocy fight_shit came into the thread white knighting the dude.

                                                                After a few conversations he spilled the beans about being a consultant. Im sure he is paid minimum wage. Some friends of mine spend the extra 200 a week for a personal assistant. They don't really need one. But they like to take ads out in the local papers and snag these young 20 something college girls. Even though they do a shit job and are grossly under qualified. They like to mentally f-ck them for a couple months. It's even better if they have POS boyfriends that sit at home and play COD. Then they actually f-ck her while she is at work and her BF is COD'ing all day. After that they get whiny and it's time to hire a new one.

                                                                I can only guess this is the kind of relationship Joey has here with ghost_shit.
                                                                Personal assistant? Sideloaded, you're growing on me like a benign tumour.

                                                                I think I'd have to do a casting couch call first (videotaped of course) but once I go through the obligatory 30 "candidates", I think underpaying one lucky underqualified college whore is a great idea.

                                                                BTW, I can't tweet fight_ghost. He blocked me on twitter ages ago. What kind of a loser blocks other people on twitter? That's some WannaBet on Vaughany level stupidity.

                                                                (On the realz, we never had beef... I dunno why he did it - maybe it's because I'm a huge douchebag, yeah that's probably it - but regardless he's free to do whatever he pleases).
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                                                                • DeFactoCrippler
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                                  (On the realz, we never had beef... I dunno why he did it - maybe it's because I'm a huge douchebag, yeah that's probably it - but regardless he's free to do whatever he pleases).
                                                                  I doubt it's because you are a "douchebag". It's probably because you are a such a clingy loser who looks for validation from others whereever he can. Not to mention a living joke on the internet. Just google "mma fanboy", lol.

                                                                  I can't for the life of me figure out why you post here when I doubt a single person respects you. Is sherdog down or something? Or are you just on a mission for validation with your pathetic avatar, lol?

                                                                  It seriously begs the question, do you have autism? When I read this shit I coulda swore it was you



                                                                  A gay teen with assburgers and a speech impetiment who seemingly enjoyed being mocked and humiliated on a grand scale.

                                                                  Cant make it up
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                                                                  • DeFactoCrippler
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by v1y
                                                                    Why do people keep talking about ronda's performance against carmouche as if it wasn't the exact same thing thing happened against tate?
                                                                    is sherdog down or are you just a middle aged phaget who holds hands with little jews who get bullied on an internet forum?
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                                                                    • Wanna Bet On It?
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DeFactoCrippler
                                                                      I doubt it's because you are a "douchebag". It's probably because you are a such a clingy loser who looks for validation from others whereever he can. Not to mention a living joke on the internet. Just google "mma fanboy", lol.

                                                                      I can't for the life of me figure out why you post here when I doubt a single person respects you. Is sherdog down or something? Or are you just on a mission for validation with your pathetic avatar, lol?

                                                                      It seriously begs the question, do you have autism? When I read this shit I coulda swore it was you



                                                                      A gay teen with assburgers and a speech impetiment who seemingly enjoyed being mocked and humiliated on a grand scale.

                                                                      Cant make it up
                                                                      *Yawn*

                                                                      And you like to belittle others to make yourself feel better about your miserable life.

                                                                      Now take off your psychology cap and put your misery cap on and get back to work!
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