UFC on FUEL TV 5: Struve vs. Miocic

[TheCalculator]

Guess you, just like DeFacto, have selective blindness. That, or you just choose not to tell the WHOLE story. You say you read my Twitter yet don't point out how in the same tweet where I mentioned Stipe's disappointing gassing, I also said "not making excuses". How about I copy/paste my tweet about Stipe so people can judge for themselves with out your biased spin?[/I]

You accuse people of selective blindness?? OMG... Now you're burying yourself for real.

First, you claim that Sass was NOT winning before the arm bar. What fight were you were you watching? He dominated every aspect from the takedown to positioning to attacks.

Dude -- the fact that you think Stipe lost because he "gassed" is making you look like a fool to anyone who understands a ounce of reality about fighting. The guy got nailed, his nervous system was fawked and he started fading big time. Struve kept going and finished him. End of story.

And the fact is: MIOCIC WAS THE WRONG CALL. And I made that call and I'm not lying to myself about WHY he lost.

The guys that are "attacking you" are doing their best to feed you a piece of humble pie. And I think it would serve you well to eat a few pieces.

It's easy to call everyone "haters" on forums and act like you're right and they're wrong. It takes a real man to own up to his mistakes.

You're a capper -- not a fawkin' mystic who can see the future.

If you want to be respected on these forums, just own up to your mistakes and stop trying to act like you're not wrong when you clearly are. You're not fooling anyone except yourself -- especially here. So grow a pair of balls and own up to your mistakes and stop trying to protect what you perceive is a legendary MMA capping capability that can't fail. You're on a gambling forum NOT Sherdog.

[gabe]

You accuse people of selective blindness?? OMG... Now you're burying yourself for real.

First, you claim that Sass was NOT winning before the arm bar. What fight were you were you watching? He dominated every aspect from the takedown to positioning to attacks.

Dude -- the fact that you think Stipe lost because he "gassed" is making you look like a fool to anyone who understands a ounce of reality about fighting. The guy got nailed, his nervous system was fawked and he started fading big time. Struve kept going and finished him. End of story.

And the fact is: MIOCIC WAS THE WRONG CALL. And I made that call and I'm not lying to myself about WHY he lost.

The guys that are "attacking you" are doing their best to feed you a piece of humble pie. And I think it would serve you well to eat a few pieces.

It's easy to call everyone "haters" on forums and act like you're right and they're wrong. It takes a real man to own up to his mistakes.

You're a capper -- not a fawkin' mystic who can see the future.

If you want to be respected on these forums, just own up to your mistakes and stop trying to act like you're not wrong when you clearly are. You're not fooling anyone except yourself -- especially here. So grow a pair of balls and own up to your mistakes and stop trying to protect what you perceive is a legendary MMA capping capability that can't fail. You're on a gambling forum NOT Sherdog.

lol i really love some of you guys here

[Luca Fury]

If you want to be respected on these forums

LOL! As has already been discussed, I couldn't care less what people on an internet forum think of me. I come on here for my OWN enjoyment and to chat with people about MMA. And I do my podcast and give out bets for the people who appreciate it. I didn't sign up on Twitter, be public about my bets and start a podcast, just so some jealous internet trolls could dissect every single thing I say or do in order to find some grain of imperfection that they could latch onto bash me over.

I'm here because some of the users actually live to have a civil conversation about MMA and/or betting. Too bad there are some miserable tools who hate their lives, so they feel the need to bring down others. Some of those people, like DeFacto, is just a troll who likes to fukk with people. He and I have no actual issues with each other, we just like to bust each other's balls. He and I are just joking around. We don't take this forum seriously at all but some people take it, and everything on it, WAAAYYYY too seriously. They act like the forum is the center of their lives and means everything to them.

Like that dude bragging about his forum creditability earlier in this thread.

"I have more credibility on this forum than you"

Ahahaha! I will be laughing at that one for a long time. People worrying about their reputation on a friggin internet forums? I don't even know what to say. It's popular opinion that forums are a joke and the garbage bin of the internet. People caring about their what random screen names on an internet forum think about them, is like someone worrying about what the inmates on death row think of them.

I'm meeting up with some friends tomorrow night and if we disagree on something throughout the evening, I'll be sure to tell them my forum credibility is 67/100, and therefore, their opinion is invalid. Ahahahaha!

[bjpenn85]

Rarely have a person got so much constructive criticism. I think Luca Fury is one lucky son of a bitch.

Agree with gabe - penetrating love you guys

[bjpenn85]

Yeah right..you are laughing now. thats the normal response from the most defensive clown i met. mm.. a lot of people believe that fake laughter.

[Luca Fury]

Yeah right..you are laughing now. thats the normal response from the most defensive clown i met. mm.. a lot of people believe that fake laughter.

I sincerely apologize. I shouldn't back-sass a forums member who has such a revered status as yours. As you stated earlier, you have more credibility on this internet message board than I. Your notoriety and popularity are unmatched! The generosity to bless us with your infinite knowledge is something that deserves a monument! We should all pitch in to get a BJPenn85 statue placed on the White House's lawn.

Before you exit this thread, allow me to roll out a red carpet. A God like yourself shouldn't be burdened with walking on the bare ground. The the filthy surface of the Earth is for simpleton's like myself; feeble excuses for men who can only DREAM of having forum credibility like the Incomparable BJPenn85!

[Luca Fury]

Come on, reply already. I want to continue to troll you. This is too easy and fun...

[bjpenn85]

Thanks. Finally you understood what kind of guy i am. It took you so long. All this bashing for you to wake up and finally get it, apology accepted.

[Luca Fury]

Thanks. Finally you understood what kind of guy i am. It took you so long. All this bashing for you to wake up and finally get it, apology accepted.

You are a God amongst men

A living legend

A being who's wit is unmatched

One who looks a perfect 10 in the eyes and tells her she is below his standards

The most credible forum poster in recorded history

BJPenn85

[Luca Fury]

In all seriousness, I have nothing against you, BJPenn85. I don't have the self restraint to pass up an opportunity to troll a forum. If only I could be as good at it as DeFacto. He is the gold standard for forum trolling. It's amazing some of the stuff he says that he obviously doesn't mean, and is blatant trolling material, yet people still fall for it.

[bjpenn85]

Nothing against you either. You obviously love mma betting as i do myself. Why not share picks but also with unit size so we can better understand what a wager mean. For instance if you luca fury bet 20 units on a fighter which is a large bet for you, i def take that seriously. But when you dont..I actually just know you that you favour the guy, but not how much. How much counts. Dont you agree? How much in terms of a number really fakking counts in my opinion. Its sad that we do not agree on this very crucial point.

[Luca Fury]

Nothing against you either. You obviously love mma betting as i do myself. Why not share picks but also with unit size so we can better understand what a wager mean. For instance if you luca fury bet 20 units on a fighter which is a large bet for you, i def take that seriously. But when you dont..I actually just know you that you favour the guy, but not how much. How much counts. Dont you agree? How much in terms of a number really fakking counts in my opinion. Its sad that we do not agree on this very crucial point.

I absolutely agree, but 99% of people tracking my bets don't care about unit size and it's kind for a chore to post.

I usually bet each match to win roughly the same amount anyway. There are differences, of course, but I usually don't bet, say, a few bets to win 1 unit, a few to win 3 units and a couple to win 5. There are times where I'll love a guy and bet him to win roughly 2 or 3 units, or risk only a half unit on a dog, etc, but I like to keep my bets relatively the same size. Usually, bets I like more are favorites and bets I like less are underdogs, so the amount I risk on them ends up being similar to betting to win 1 unit on all favs and risking 1 unit on dogs.

You may have noticed on the OddsCast, I say "small" play on each guy and then sometime I'll have like 1 moderate play. For example, on this card, all bets were small except I was moderate on a Miocic/Mills parlay +130 and moderate on Matt Wiman +100. I knew those would roughly be my bet sizes, but had to wait for weigh in and line movement before I finalized bet size. I ended up betting to win roughly 1.5 units on each of those. It's a chore to post on Twitter that some bets are to win 1.27 units, others .85, some 1.4, etc. I suppose in the future instead of saying "small" or "moderate" I could maybe round numbers up to .5, 1, 1.5 or 2 to give a more accurate detail of my bets for the small % of people who care, while not making it a chore on myself. Although, you will see there will be a lot of bets to win just 1 unit then.

Since I have a pretty good win % on overall fight picks (65% so far this year int he fantasy league) and am generally about as accurate on bets, parlaying high juice and straight betting low favs or dogs for relatively the sam amount works well for me. I'm better at grinding profits by winning an overall number of bets, while some people are better at going really big on certain ones.

I used to vary my unit size a lot more and was profitable, but I realized that I would be much more profitable if I made my bets much closer in size. Gotta find what works best for you as a player, and this is what I found to work best for me.

[sideloaded]

Spouting random thoughts requires little to no energy. Checking, noting and listing units for the 10+ bets I have a day is pointless. Especially since, like I said, 99% of people don't give a damn about them. They just want picks and maybe a little analysis.



You have to be the dumbest poster on here. Your reading comprehension is laughable. You consistently misinterpret shit, bash people for something they didn't even say, and they get called out for being a dumbass.

In what part of that post did I say no one handicaps cardio, or that it's not important? I said that nobody said Struve would win because he would capitalize on a gassed Micioc, or because he had superior cardio. That is completely different than saying cardio isn't an important factor to handicapping and no one does it.

Almost everyone picking Struve, including you, thought he would get the takedown or pull guard and sub him. You were wrong. You got the pick right, but your analysis and reasoning was horrible.

You're the same moron who thinks there are MMA fights in which one guy literally wins greater than 99% of the time. We argued about it in your retarded thread. I still can't believe you're dumb enough to think that if 2 fighters of any caliber fought 100 times, one would LITERALLY win at least 99 of them, even taking into consideration cuts, injuries, flash KOs and mistakes. Don't bother me with your frivolous bullshit again.




Actually, the books lose overall on live wagering. Sharps eat them alive on it. It;s mainly for advertising purposes -- it's a nice bulletpoint that gets squares to join because they think this gives them some special edge.

for the 100'th time Stipe didnt gas. Also I took Struve ITD so how was my reasoning and analysis horrible? LOL CLOWN. -5000 is perfectly fine when a fighter signs a contract to lose. Klitschkos are -5000 all the time and so should Anderson Silva against a retired fighter. You literally know nothing about mma.

[DirtyX]

I have to agree with Side Loaded on this and I hate his dumbass. I agree with you Luca that he is the worst poster on here. However LUCA, Stipe did not gas, he got rocked and was out stuck by Struve. Period, and to say otherwise is why people are tearing into you. Peace.

[sideloaded]

I absolutely agree, but 99% of people tracking my bets don't care about unit size and it's kind for a chore to post.

I usually bet each match to win roughly the same amount anyway. There are differences, of course, but I usually don't bet, say, a few bets to win 1 unit, a few to win 3 units and a couple to win 5. There are times where I'll love a guy and bet him to win roughly 2 or 3 units, or risk only a half unit on a dog, etc, but I like to keep my bets relatively the same size. Usually, bets I like more are favorites and bets I like less are underdogs, so the amount I risk on them ends up being similar to betting to win 1 unit on all favs and risking 1 unit on dogs.

You may have noticed on the OddsCast, I say "small" play on each guy and then sometime I'll have like 1 moderate play. For example, on this card, all bets were small except I was moderate on a Miocic/Mills parlay +130 and moderate on Matt Wiman +100. I knew those would roughly be my bet sizes, but had to wait for weigh in and line movement before I finalized bet size. I ended up betting to win roughly 1.5 units on each of those. It's a chore to post on Twitter that some bets are to win 1.27 units, others .85, some 1.4, etc. I suppose in the future instead of saying "small" or "moderate" I could maybe round numbers up to .5, 1, 1.5 or 2 to give a more accurate detail of my bets for the small % of people who care, while not making it a chore on myself. Although, you will see there will be a lot of bets to win just 1 unit then.

Since I have a pretty good win % on overall fight picks (65% so far this year int he fantasy league) and am generally about as accurate on bets, parlaying high juice and straight betting low favs or dogs for relatively the sam amount works well for me. I'm better at grinding profits by winning an overall number of bets, while some people are better at going really big on certain ones.

I used to vary my unit size a lot more and was profitable, but I realized that I would be much more profitable if I made my bets much closer in size. Gotta find what works best for you as a player, and this is what I found to work best for me.

Wouldn't a professional be max betting everything? Wouldn't a professional be severly handicapped by the small limits in mma? Anyone with a clue can tell you're only a professional at this because your bills are paid by mommy and daddy.

So why are you a professional? Because it's the only thing you do with your life?

[sideloaded]

[PunisherIND]

You accuse people of selective blindness?? OMG... Now you're burying yourself for real.

First, you claim that Sass was NOT winning before the arm bar. What fight were you were you watching? He dominated every aspect from the takedown to positioning to attacks.

Dude -- the fact that you think Stipe lost because he "gassed" is making you look like a fool to anyone who understands a ounce of reality about fighting. The guy got nailed, his nervous system was fawked and he started fading big time. Struve kept going and finished him. End of story.

And the fact is: MIOCIC WAS THE WRONG CALL. And I made that call and I'm not lying to myself about WHY he lost.

The guys that are "attacking you" are doing their best to feed you a piece of humble pie. And I think it would serve you well to eat a few pieces.

It's easy to call everyone "haters" on forums and act like you're right and they're wrong. It takes a real man to own up to his mistakes.

You're a capper -- not a fawkin' mystic who can see the future.

If you want to be respected on these forums, just own up to your mistakes and stop trying to act like you're not wrong when you clearly are. You're not fooling anyone except yourself -- especially here. So grow a pair of balls and own up to your mistakes and stop trying to protect what you perceive is a legendary MMA capping capability that can't fail. You're on a gambling forum NOT Sherdog.

kudos my friend. well said.

[PunisherIND]

holy fok hahahaha

[bjpenn85]

Seriously, if you say i will have 2 or 3 units on him bla bla..and at the end of the podcast repeat it..so me lucy fury have so much on him for the net profit of yada yada..my ears will stick like glue to the speakers. i take that seriously. Many people at least on his forum listens to the podcast, a show that sometimes almost last 2 hours. People def take you seriously even though they bash the hell out of you when you retro post. I think people appreciate the podcast, and i believe most people do want to hear exactly how much you put into your bets in terms of unit, not just a few dirtbags. I will actually believe 99% of the people that listens to the mma podcast do want to hear how much.

[PunisherIND]

I absolutely agree, but 99% of people tracking my bets don't care about unit size and it's kind for a chore to post.

I usually bet each match to win roughly the same amount anyway. There are differences, of course, but I usually don't bet, say, a few bets to win 1 unit, a few to win 3 units and a couple to win 5. There are times where I'll love a guy and bet him to win roughly 2 or 3 units, or risk only a half unit on a dog, etc, but I like to keep my bets relatively the same size. Usually, bets I like more are favorites and bets I like less are underdogs, so the amount I risk on them ends up being similar to betting to win 1 unit on all favs and risking 1 unit on dogs.

You may have noticed on the OddsCast, I say "small" play on each guy and then sometime I'll have like 1 moderate play. For example, on this card, all bets were small except I was moderate on a Miocic/Mills parlay +130 and moderate on Matt Wiman +100. I knew those would roughly be my bet sizes, but had to wait for weigh in and line movement before I finalized bet size. I ended up betting to win roughly 1.5 units on each of those. It's a chore to post on Twitter that some bets are to win 1.27 units, others .85, some 1.4, etc. I suppose in the future instead of saying "small" or "moderate" I could maybe round numbers up to .5, 1, 1.5 or 2 to give a more accurate detail of my bets for the small % of people who care, while not making it a chore on myself. Although, you will see there will be a lot of bets to win just 1 unit then.

Since I have a pretty good win % on overall fight picks (65% so far this year int he fantasy league) and am generally about as accurate on bets, parlaying high juice and straight betting low favs or dogs for relatively the sam amount works well for me. I'm better at grinding profits by winning an overall number of bets, while some people are better at going really big on certain ones.

I used to vary my unit size a lot more and was profitable, but I realized that I would be much more profitable if I made my bets much closer in size. Gotta find what works best for you as a player, and this is what I found to work best for me.

luca who is that cool lookin gigilo in your avatar? looks like a bad ass ashton kutchner with a pumpkin pie hair cut. much better than the previous one that looked like richard hale's middle school picture.

and come on my dude (i feel comfortable calling you "my dude" in light of the new avatar) just be real and tell em you stopped posting wager/unit sizes bc wannabet blew up your spot that time. you explained it once before on here (im not going to track it down). you said you used to post sizes but then then kid told the world that you lost 3K and you didnt want to be in that situation again. innit?

[Vaughany]

He's a tall ass white guy... They always get laid from what I've noticed. I'm sure luca's quite the player with them farm-girls in mom's Minnesota basement.

Where in MN are you from, Luca? I got lots of family from there, mostly the St. Cloud area if you're familiar.

I don't get why you hate MN, I think its an incredible state with good people and lots of stuff to do. I'm from socal LA/OC area and honestly its nothing special dude (but then again I grew up here)... Summers in MN are awesome, I love that there is seriously a lake that you can swim in at every turn in MN. Only place to swim in socal is the beach and I prefer fresh water swimming and sports.

ha yeah, hating on Minnesota...Bigday will have on his blacklist now Fury!

[Beelzebubzy]

Luca what book offered Gunnar by Sub at +250

just curious dont really care about these ongoing e-battles

[Vaughany]

Do you have a funny voice?

lol

[FightFightFight]

They wouldn't lose so much except the guy running it must be a retard. Re live betting

[FightFightFight]

Seriously, unit size is irrelevant unless you're trying to compete or brag. As a measure of confidence, sure, but luca roughly does that. And btw, I have the biggest unit here. ...rooster.

[Mercersux]

Luca what book offered Gunnar by Sub at +250

just curious dont really care about these ongoing e-battles

Wish i found a place giving those odds on Gunnar by sub. Too easy. Also, Miocic didn't gas. I'll say going by his previous three fights he was probably well on his way but guy just got plain out rocked a couple times before he was finally put on the ropes by Struve.

[MD]

Jack Slack (Judo Chop guy)'s opinion on the Struve/Miocic fight:

"Notice how Struve's long limbs leave enormous openings behind his gloves where his neck and jaw may be struck. This is exactly what Junior dos Santos did so brilliantly against Struve. It looked ugly but it made sense - Dos Santos was already in his range, Struve was doing nothing to stop Dos Santos staying there, so Dos Santos just poured on violence until the fight was over. Miocic could easily have done exactly the same thing if he weren't convinced that he needed to work the body at get out. Miocic is a good puncher but his insistance on trying to be a boxer arguably cost him this match. It is only necessary to get in and get out if the opponent s doing something to stop you staying there - Struve did very little to force Miocic to step out every time. If Struve does not learn how to get back to his own range, he will continue to be highlight reel fodder for men such as Dos Santos and Alistair Overeem who excel at destroying covering opponents."

"Struve's right hand and particularly his right uppercut have always been powerful, and his guard has always been exciting to watch, but his recent streak of wins has been more to do with being one of the few heavyweights in the world who can recover from mistakes and who doesn't tire after two rounds. Dave Herman, Pat Barry and Stipe Miocic were all giving Struve fits in the early going of their fights with him, but all faded late. Against truly top flight competition it is doubtful whether the improvements pundits keep touting in Struve's striking game will actually be evident."

[DeFactoCrippler]

Just out of curiosity, does that mean that you think no one here earns a living solely from gambling? I'm not saying you're incorrect if you are claiming this, I have no idea. I'm just wondering if you consider such a thing to be highly unlikely.

Yeah, it's quite rare. Even when we are talking about "gambling" as a whole very few people even win over the long term let alone earn a living from it for one year. Poker is by far an easier "gambling" game to win money when compared to sports betting. But what percentage are "pro" players? That percentage becomes even less with sports.

When it comes to making a living from "MMA" betting alone it becomes even more difficult because books already impose low betting limits when compared to other sports and, many books limit you more severely than that if you are beating them. Now I understand there are ways to get more money down (using multiple accounts to bet), but even that will not last long and requires fresh accounts to keep coming in. To put it simply, the books aren't stupid.

Furthermore, lets look at some of the "respected" posters at sbr who actually keep track of their records. Not meaning to leave anyone out, but vaughny, jesus, and bjpenn come to mind. Imo Jesus has a lot of respect, and is probably considered by many to be the best capper here. His total profits are right there in the thread and they are absolutely nowhere close to what you need to survive. He would have to ramp up efforts 20x to eek out a living. There really is no bigger documented MMA winner in terms of $$$ than him on sbr. Not to say they don't exist, but just putting things in perspective.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Some of those people, like DeFacto, is just a troll who likes to fukk with people. He and I have no actual issues with each other, we just like to bust each other's balls. He and I are just joking around. We don't take this forum seriously at all but some people take it, and everything on it, WAAAYYYY too seriously. They act like the forum is the center of their lives and means everything to them.

What in Gods name is that shit on your face Fury? It looks like someone has been rubbing it in the dirt.

[gabe]

Yeah, it's quite rare. Even when we are talking about "gambling" as a whole very few people even win over the long term let alone earn a living from it for one year. Poker is by far an easier "gambling" game to win money when compared to sports betting. But what percentage are "pro" players? That percentage becomes even less with sports.

When it comes to making a living from "MMA" betting alone it becomes even more difficult because books already impose low betting limits when compared to other sports and, many books limit you more severely than that if you are beating them. Now I understand there are ways to get more money down (using multiple accounts to bet), but even that will not last long and requires fresh accounts to keep coming in. To put it simply, the books aren't stupid.

Furthermore, lets look at some of the "respected" posters at sbr who actually keep track of their records. Not meaning to leave anyone out, but vaughny, jesus, and bjpenn come to mind. Imo Jesus has a lot of respect, and is probably considered by many to be the best capper here. His total profits are right there in the thread and they are absolutely nowhere close to what you need to survive. He would have to ramp up efforts 20x to eek out a living. There really is no bigger documented MMA winner in terms of $$$ than him on sbr. Not to say they don't exist, but just putting things in perspective.

A few months ago there were back to back cards on FX and PPV in Brazil. I posted my bets, and those 2 nights alone I made more... So far this year, I have made more from wagering MMA than some people I know make in a year from their 9 to 5 jobs.

Sports wagering, mainly MMA is my main source of income. Wish I had a steady income outside of gambling, so I could maintain a real bankroll and watch it grow, instead of having to spend all my profits. Need a job. =(

[DeFactoCrippler]

Sports wagering, mainly MMA is my main source of income. Wish I had a steady income outside of gambling, so I could maintain a real bankroll and watch it grow, instead of having to spend all my profits. Need a job. =(

[dww123]

Furthermore, lets look at some of the "respected" posters at sbr who actually keep track of their records. Not meaning to leave anyone out, but vaughny, jesus, and bjpenn come to mind. Imo Jesus has a lot of respect, and is probably considered by many to be the best capper here. His total profits are right there in the thread and they are absolutely nowhere close to what you need to survive. He would have to ramp up efforts 20x to eek out a living. There really is no bigger documented MMA winner in terms of $$$ than him on sbr. Not to say they don't exist, but just putting things in perspective.

Hasn't he made like 10k this year? Geez, how much do you think you need to eek out a living??

[DeFactoCrippler]

Hasn't he made like 10k this year? Geez, how much do you think you need to eek out a living??

Wow, he has really gone on a roll. I thought he was at 3k or so. But the point still holds, he would have to do 5x more to eek out a living? Plus that would make him by far the biggest "documented" winner.

I'm glad you showed up, I know about your situation but i didn't want to make anything public. Do you have any thoughts on the discussion?

[dww123]

Wow, he has really gone on a roll. I thought he was at 3k or so. But the point still holds, he would have to do 5x more to eek out a living? Plus that would make him by far the biggest "documented" winner.

I'm glad you showed up, I know about your situation but i didn't want to make anything public. Do you have any thoughts on the discussion?

Sure i think it's possible to make a living from gambling. I've been doing it for the past 2 years. At this point, i almost exclusively bet mma. Well, 90% I would say. I use 2 books and have never been limited at either. I think the large books accept the fact they are going to have some winners and are okay with that. After all, the stats are in their favor. It wouldn't make sense for them to limit high stakes gamblers after they are up because by doing this they are essentially cutting themselves off at the knees. History tells them eventually they will get it back if they just get letting him bet. And if not then that's an acceptable loss.

But making a living from gambling for 2 years isn't long term. I'm sure there are lots of successful sports speculators out there just like i'm sure there are lots of successful stock speculators. I'm just not one of them, yet.

[Grabaka]

I think its possible defacto...after all i have made more than 3000 this month and im fishcakes.