UFC on FUEL TV 5: Struve vs. Miocic

**DirtyX** · 09-26-12, 11:15 AM

Great card to bet on imo. I $pot $ome $olid play$ for $aturday!

**NunyaBidness** · 09-26-12, 11:20 AM

How can you know its a great card to bet on if there are no lines yet?

**BIGDAY** · 09-26-12, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

How can you know its a great card to bet on if there are no lines yet?

There's no Juice when theyre

s

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 11:57 AM

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 11:57 AM

Maguire at +300

**gabe** · 09-26-12, 11:59 AM

few good lines, mostly shit ones

**Crassus** · 09-26-12, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Struve
Kingsbury
Ludwig
Watson
Sadollah

I feel strongest on Watson and Struve.

**Beelzebubzy** · 09-26-12, 12:11 PM

Mathhew wiman
wtf?

**v1y** · 09-26-12, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Crassus

Struve
Kingsbury
Ludwig
Watson
Sadollah

I feel strongest on Watson and Struve.

The same sadollah that fought lopez and ludwig? okie..

**bjpenn85** · 09-26-12, 12:42 PM

watson?.....WHAT? seriously....based on motherfuking what? The win over alex reid mad you go woaw? Or that he trains together with the faboulous brian stann? Im very very...interested in your rationale !!!!

**bjpenn85** · 09-26-12, 12:44 PM

As always. But maguire shoudnt bee +300. And yeah, im keeping my mouth shut until the other bookies opens the line im interested in. But i agree. Mostly utterly crappy lines.

**NunyaBidness** · 09-26-12, 12:48 PM

Open at dsi

**Crassus** · 09-26-12, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by v1y

The same sadollah that fought lopez and ludwig? okie..

The same Hardy that lost to Chris Lytle? They're the same level of fighter and at +160 I'll bet on Sadollah.

Originally posted by bjpenn85

watson?.....WHAT? seriously....based on motherfuking what? The win over alex reid mad you go woaw? Or that he trains together with the faboulous brian stann? Im very very...interested in your rationale !!!!

What makes you so confident in Tavares?

**Grabaka** · 09-26-12, 01:23 PM

I like Corassani at those odds...any thoughts?

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 01:25 PM

Maybe so, but one may argue that it's not the same Hardy that fought Lytle...he may have evolved since training with Mir and Ricky Lundell. Certainly will be fighting smarter, and he looked a lot less sluggish against Ludwig (for how long it lasted anyway) than he did against Lytle were he was slow and ploddish. He's also at the lowest weight he's ever been at, he said he a couple days ago that he could make weight tomorrow if necessary. He's gonna really have to screw up to lose to Sadollah IMO. Only way he loses if he just looks for the one-punch KO due to being in his hometown and being over anxious and getting caught up in the moment, or if he does a sloppy takedown and gets submitted. Fact is tho that he's already made those mistakes not too long ago (the former against Condit and latter against Lytle), so you wouldn't expect him to do it again.

**BIGDAY** · 09-26-12, 01:35 PM

I'll have some action wagers on this card. Unfortunately nothing that gets me too excited..

**The HOFF** · 09-26-12, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Grabaka

I like Corassani at those odds...any thoughts?

I was looking to fade both of those TUF turds for their first fight. But I can't because the two turds are fighting each other. I think they are the same level fighter. So getting one of those turds at +160 is a decent bet.

**The HOFF** · 09-26-12, 01:45 PM

Pickett and Mills for me.

**Dillonious Monk** · 09-26-12, 01:49 PM

I will be making plays on Miocic and probably Hardy, Gunnar, Wiman...and...the others I will have to look into.

Even though we haven't seen Gunnar against this level of competition I think he will prove he is a way better fighter than Johnson. He seems to have a very high fight IQ, and seems to be one of the best in the game on the ground. Chances are that he gets Johnson to the mat and subs him within two.

Agree with Luca on his Miocic-Struve breakdown. Miocic has more power, a better chin, and better wrestling. Struve is very tough but so is Miocic and I don't see this fight lasting more than a couple of rounds...not sure how Struve wins this fight as Miocic is smart enough to not get baited into going to the ground. Even if it does go there, I don't think Struve would be able to pull of some lighting quick sub. It is possible, but pretty unlikey overall imo...and I personally see Stipe tooling him on the feet.

Hardy to me has a better chin than Amir and more power and Amir likes to get involved in these firefights and I don't think that will be good for him here. Plus Hardy has done a bit of training with TriStar and you know after his losses to Johnson and Lytle, and with a fight against Amir coming up (a guy who will try to take him down at some point), he is probably drilling that TDD and ground game. Against a higher caliber grappler it might not matter as much but Amir isn't overly impressive in his Td ability or grappling ability (which is good, but he's no Chris Lytle) so I like Hardy in this one.

Wiman imo is a great scrambler, he might not have the overall wrestling ability of Volkmann but he has more sound BJJ and is just a better all around grappler imo and he also doesn't suck on the feet lol I actually give him the edge there. Wiman is always a game fighter and you can bet your ass that he is training very hard not to get caught in a silly submission. He has been in several grappling affairs in his time in the UFC and I don't recall him ever being in any real danger as far as getting subbed. This ridiculous sub streak for Sass has to stop some time lol I'm will to bet Wiman is the one to do it and takes this fight by UD. I like Wiman at + money.

Really like these but might just tail Luca for some of my other pics haha

**bjpenn85** · 09-26-12, 01:50 PM

One of my mate study with corossanis little brother. He is a bragging got damn nerd, that off course reminds everyone in 100000 miles area about his ufc star brother. I hope he fails an exam and his brother get kicked out of the UFC immediately. thats all.

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 01:51 PM

hah

**gabe** · 09-26-12, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

One of my mate study with corossanis little brother. He is a bragging got damn nerd, that off course reminds everyone in 100000 miles area about his ufc star brother. I hope he fails an exam and his brother get kicked out of the UFC immediately. thats all.

lol let the kid be proud

**terpkeg** · 09-26-12, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

I was looking to fade both of those TUF turds for their first fight. But I can't because the two turds are fighting each other. I think they are the same level fighter. So getting one of those turds at +160 is a decent bet.

Thinking the same thing.

**Dillonious Monk** · 09-26-12, 02:01 PM

Yeah^ Especially with how Akira seems to be getting better with TDD. Bermudez had a hard time taking him down on the show, so you'd think with all this extra time to be training he will have spent alot of it on improving his main weakness which is his wrestling/grappling.

I like these kind of match ups for strikers because I think it's easier to learn how to defend a takedown and keep a fight on the feet than it is for, say, a grappler to all of a sudden develop strong takedowns or good striking...especially when it's Andy Ogle we are talking about...not exactly your Koscheck/Jones type of wrestler...

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 02:03 PM

Corassani has been training with Edgar and co as well. But then Ogle has been at Kaoben with Etim and Sass so he may show improvements as well.

**Rod_M** · 09-26-12, 02:06 PM

Hey guys, about the MMA contest, Bookmaker already released lines for full UFC card, I am guessing y'all prefer to wait for 5Dimes, am I right?

**Dillonious Monk** · 09-26-12, 02:08 PM

^ Yeah that's what I'm doing right now actually haha

**gabe** · 09-26-12, 02:08 PM

I've never seen anything in Akira that would make me consider risking $ on him.

Akira never impressed me in his wins. Ogle did. He's got a lot of heart, and I'm always more confident betting on guys like that.

**Vaughany** · 09-26-12, 02:11 PM

yep, if Ogle survives in to second half of the fight he could take over.

**bjpenn85** · 09-26-12, 02:12 PM

I think he is a jerk. Lying all the time, and just are a complete idiot. Its not like hes an ok guy that just happened to be a bit pround of his brother...he is a jerk...and so are his brother. I dont care to much really. I just thought you guys maybe wanted to know. You can just make a mental note next time you see him fight..oh thats the idiot..lets cheer for the other guy.

**bjpenn85** · 09-26-12, 02:15 PM

Bookmaker havent released the lines for bellator 74 as far as im concerned..maybe bet dsi..but not bookmaker.

**Rod_M** · 09-26-12, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Bookmaker havent released the lines for bellator 74 as far as im concerned..maybe bet dsi..but not bookmaker.

Yeah my bad, it was sportsbook.com.

**Dillonious Monk** · 09-26-12, 02:23 PM

Yes Ogle has heart but Akira seems to clearly be the better striker and Ogle has never showed me good takedown ability, so at +150 it may be worth taking a stab...

**gabe** · 09-26-12, 02:28 PM

Should Jimi Manuwa be a 185er instead? Seems kinda small for a 205er to me

**gabe** · 09-26-12, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

I think he is a jerk. Lying all the time, and just are a complete idiot. Its not like hes an ok guy that just happened to be a bit pround of his brother...he is a jerk...and so are his brother. I dont care to much really. I just thought you guys maybe wanted to know. You can just make a mental note next time you see him fight..oh thats the idiot..lets cheer for the other guy.

haha- i liked akira on the show, he had a good sense of humor