Bitcoin Price Tracking & Discussion -- 2025

[Sawyer]

MSTR will cause problems in future..but not yet.

we all know December is slow..... End of January always a run What u saying end of 20if it was hitting 100k this year it would of alrrady happened

There isn't enough data to make assumptions like these imo.

I don't think december will be slow.
I'm bearish for only early december.
Mid-December & Late-December, I'M ÜBERBULLISH!

I'm tracking whale movements. Whales are following some fractals.

Mark my words, Bitcoin will top before end of March 2025. (Is this top of cycle or a local top? we'll talk about it later)

[Sawyer]

Guys, 25-27 November likely to be a local top.
There wil be a massive dump around 3-7 December which should mark the bottom. Remember, we're in a bull market and dips are for buying only. Bull market will end in 2025 and brutal bear market wil start.

2026 = Bear Season

25 Novembar marked as local top. We'll be in a downtrend for next 8-12 days.
Bitcoin price will keep dropping thru early december. Smart money selling.
Local bottom should be in somewhere in early december.
The final dump around 2-4 december should mark the local bottom.

[Sawyer]

Bitcoin should touch 78-81k by early december.
some time near 2-3 december or 3-4. We'll se..

[garygroundwork]

Be patient
Buy the dips
and 18 months after the next halving in 2028 (2029) you will be good.

[biggie12]

25 Novembar marked as local top. We'll be in a downtrend for next 8-12 days.
Bitcoin price will keep dropping thru early december. Smart money selling.
Local bottom should be in somewhere in early december.
The final dump around 2-4 december should mark the local bottom.

why 5.5 billion in btc bought but no movement on exchanges was this an OTC deal or what ?

[Optional]

You see the nonsense on pumpfun. They had to remove live streams today.

Guys putting themself in cages.

12 year olds saying they will kill their family if coin doesn't hit 10 mill **.

etc etc etc... It seems like crypto is progressing quickly SMH

Question: was the 5.5 billion bought OTC why no big change on any of the exchanges?

oh gawd, the crazy times are really here.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

91,800. What a dip.

[Sawyer]

91,800. What a dip.

Not so dip. 80's coming in upcoming days..

[Sawyer]

Bitcoin Local Bottom in Early December



Long Term Holders sold 576k bitcoin in November.

There's CME GAP between 78-81k.

Won't be surprised if Bitcoin revisits that zone.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Salud, Sawyer. Good Luck to you.

Investing is a speculative venture. If we only knew the answers.

If I had one observation, it would be this. Investors are incredibly reactionary nowadays. IE:
*One down day, you have to sell.
*One up day, time to buy.

[raiders72001]

You see the nonsense on pumpfun. They had to remove live streams today.

Guys putting themself in cages.

12 year olds saying they will kill their family if coin doesn't hit 10 mill **.

etc etc etc... It seems like crypto is progressing quickly SMH

Question: was the 5.5 billion bought OTC why no big change on any of the exchanges?

Yes, it was bought OTC. Buying spot would jack up the price and I don't think he wants to do that now.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

94,400. Some reversal.

I've seen a TON of videos on MSTR over the last week:
1) People are trying to figure out the correct valuation.
2) Significant reversal after a super-pump.
3) All that said, MSTR is using a strategy that Trump is at least 120 days from employing. Saylor is putting BTC on the balance sheet.

[Sawyer]

Salud, Sawyer. Good Luck to you.

Investing is a speculative venture. If we only knew the answers.

If I had one observation, it would be this. Investors are incredibly reactionary nowadays. IE:
*One down day, you have to sell.
*One up day, time to buy.

Well, there's some key price levels which signals trend reversal. For example, Bitcoin becomes SELL since it dipped below 94,500$.
There's many factors to analyze such as liquidity heat map, onchain analysis.


Real massacre begins when 90-91k line breaks.

Expecting more dump thru 28 November.

Market may recover little bit on 29.

market makers' plan is to encourage as many short positions as possible, with stop losses set above $100k.
Over 4 billion liquidations sitting above 100k.

We need more.

They need to scare people more.

When majority of retail investors are convinced for short positions, the rally will begin. This time, Bitcoin will bypass 100k with ease and short squeeze will take us directly to 109, maybe even 115-120.

Btw, %20-30 corrections are very ordinary and healthy in Bitcoin Bull Runs.

[biggie12]

They removed live streams from pump.fun yesterday.

Cant believe some of the shit that was going on. Couples with a infant and hitting him if they dont reach a certain market cap etc... Crypto is really taking some steps back.

[raiders72001]

They removed live streams from pump.fun yesterday.

Cant believe some of the shit that was going on. Couples with a infant and hitting him if they dont reach a certain market cap etc... Crypto is really taking some steps back.

They're all trying to get rich fast. Leading most to the poor house.

Phantom surpassed applications like Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge and Amazon Fire TV.

Digital asset wallet Phantom has reached the second spot on the charts in the utilities section of the Apple App Store in the United States.
On Nov. 20, the App Store showed that the crypto wallet was the second-most popular application on the list, with Google retaining the top spot. The wallet surpassed other applications including Google Chrome, Google Authenticator, Microsoft Edge, My Verizon and Amazon Fire TV.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/phant...pp-store-apple

[raiders72001]

21% chance $100k in Nov and 73% in 2024 according to Polymarket.

[Arky]

If you need a good hardware wallet or want to upgrade what you got.....

Good Black Friday deals at Trezor.io and Ledger.com. You can pick up a black or orange Nano S Plus at Ledger for around $47-$55.

Trezor Safe 3 Model also going for ~$55. Unlike the Trezor One model, this model will support Solana. I just bought one and paid for it with LTC.

If you're upgrading, pretty sure you can just punch in your original 12/24 word seed phrase into the new one with the Restore feature and retain all your settings and wallets....

[raiders72001]

If you need a good hardware wallet or want to upgrade what you got.....

Good Black Friday deals at Trezor.io and Ledger.com. You can pick up a black or orange Nano S Plus at Ledger for around $47-$55.

Trezor Safe 3 Model also going for ~$55. Unlike the Trezor One model, this model will support Solana. I just bought one and paid for it with LTC.

If you're upgrading, pretty sure you can just punch in your original 12/24 word seed phrase into the new one with the Restore feature and retain all your settings and wallets....

Good information, Trezor is the better of the two imo. Ledger was once hacked.

[batt33]

what's going on with Algo? Just following the bitcoin frenzy? Have to admit.... I do own a few shares.... dollar cost averaged to almost done... made a little back with the rise.... thankfully.... But in reality is it because Trump and his view on crypto?

[raiders72001]

what's going on with Algo? Just following the bitcoin frenzy? Have to admit.... I do own a few shares.... dollar cost averaged to almost done... made a little back with the rise.... thankfully.... But in reality is it because Trump and his view on crypto?

4 year cycle. Trump gave it a spark and the top will be a lot higher because of Trump.

[Sawyer]

If you need a good hardware wallet or want to upgrade what you got.....
Good Black Friday deals at Trezor.io and Ledger.com. You can pick up a black or orange Nano S Plus at Ledger for around $47-$55.

Trezor Safe 3 Model also going for ~$55. Unlike the Trezor One model, this model will support Solana. I just bought one and paid for it with LTC.

If you're upgrading, pretty sure you can just punch in your original 12/24 word seed phrase into the new one with the Restore feature and retain all your settings and wallets....

Stay away from Ledger.

Trezor is okay but Bitbox is better imo. Jade also good.

Coldcard is best.

Make sure your hardware wallet is bitcoin only. Do not use hardware wallets which keeps bitcoin and shitcoins together, they're more vulnerable to hack risks.

[Sawyer]

Toxic Order flows spotted.

STH/LTH Pull Back Indicator flashing.

We can see some scam pumps (to use retail as exit liquidity) in upcoming days. Then there should be a MASSIVE SELL OFF (dump) around 3-4 December.

After that final flush, Christmas rally starts and we go straight to 105-109, maybe even 120k in December.

How low bitcoin can go in upcoming dump? first support zone is around 90-91. If it doesn't hold 87-88 next. It doesn't matter if Bitcoin drops to 80k or 90k, these prices would be a great accumulation opportunity since we're approaching the final phase of bull market.

Bull run should end somewhere between 20 january - 10 march.

[Optional]

what's going on with Algo? Just following the bitcoin frenzy? Have to admit.... I do own a few shares.... dollar cost averaged to almost done... made a little back with the rise.... thankfully.... But in reality is it because Trump and his view on crypto?

4 year cycle. Trump gave it a spark and the top will be a lot higher because of Trump.

A Xmas run was probably coming, but this was early and I'd attribute 80% of the post election gains soley to the anticipated friendly govt policies coming.

[Optional]

Bitcoin Local Bottom in Early December



Long Term Holders sold 576k bitcoin in November.

There's CME GAP between 78-81k.

Won't be surprised if Bitcoin revisits that zone.

Trying to make such short term predictions is only going to see mistakes and losses over the longer term.

Maybe you are over thinking it all a bit with your changing predictions so often.

[Lex_icon]

Finally, FET/ASI is going up

[Lex_icon]

I bought a bunch at 10 cents and I still have half of it. It's one of my big hopes.

[Lex_icon]

Btw, Everyone is expecting this 78k gap to be filled, but it might not happen now.

[batt33]

4 year cycle. Trump gave it a spark and the top will be a lot higher because of Trump.

[batt33]

A Xmas run was probably coming, but this was early and I'd attribute 80% of the post election gains soley to the anticipated friendly govt policies coming.

yeah that's what I was kinda thinking...

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Trying to make such short term predictions is only going to see mistakes and losses over the longer term.

Maybe you are over thinking it all a bit with your changing predictions so often.

Hey, Opti. I never question someone's projection. Especially retrospectively.

I can give one (or two) viewpoints that come up repeatedly by the top Bitcoin minds:
1) Think in terms of a four-year view.
...The four-year view takes out some of the oscillation.
...A four-year holder has NEVER been at a loss (vs USD).
...I forget the the exact metric. But I think the ANNUALIZED 4-year growth rate has never been < +25%.

2) Once you understand point #1, I do think it's worth looking at the Bitcoin prices across cycle.
...It's clear to me that there's periodicity to the price movement. IE, there are fractal patterns.
...The one counter to this is that it's only been 3 or 4 cycles. One can sometimes see patterns where it's really randomness.

Just my two cents. Anyone can think what they want.

[Optional]

Agree on taking a longer term view Chucky.

But each to their own. Maybe traders have made more than 12x hodlers have over the last 4 years in some cases.

[raiders72001]

Trying to make such short term predictions is only going to see mistakes and losses over the longer term.

Maybe you are over thinking it all a bit with your changing predictions so often.

Agree. No one knows what's going to happen short term. Every bit of current news can cause a short term dip or gain.

[Arky]

Good information, Trezor is the better of the two imo. Ledger was once hacked.

Stay away from Ledger.

Trezor is okay but Bitbox is better imo. Jade also good.

Coldcard is best.

Make sure your hardware wallet is bitcoin only. Do not use hardware wallets which keeps bitcoin and shitcoins together, they're more vulnerable to hack risks.

Ledger had a bit of a stink about a year ago over a Recovery service designed for n00bs who would desire to have a backup of their seed phrase. Ledger was going to charge $10/month for the service for those who didn't feel confident enough to do their own self-custody (taking care of the seed phrase). This brought up all sorts of issues and FUD about backdoors and hacks and what-ifs. Not sure they ever rolled it out completely and they definitely took a PR hit over it.

The #1 issue with hardware wallets getting "hacked" still remains people getting tricked into giving up their seed phrase.

I have both Trezor and Ledger and still use them both. Never had a problem with either. They both offer reasonably priced entry level hardware wallets. I think either one is better than having no hardware wallet at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoYhsTuAa0A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS2v_uoyoe4

[raiders72001]

Ledger had a bit of a stink about a year ago over a Recovery service designed for n00bs who would desire to have a backup of their seed phrase. Ledger was going to charge $10/month for the service for those who didn't feel confident enough to do their own self-custody (taking care of the seed phrase). This brought up all sorts of issues and FUD about backdoors and hacks and what-ifs. Not sure they ever rolled it out completely and they definitely took a PR hit over it.

The #1 issue with hardware wallets getting "hacked" still remains people getting tricked into giving up their seed phrase.

I have both Trezor and Ledger and still use them both. Never had a problem with either. They both offer reasonably priced entry level hardware wallets. I think either one is better than having no hardware wallet at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoYhsTuAa0A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS2v_uoyoe4

Even with the hiccup I use two Ledgers and one Trezor. Here's info on the hack. https://zerocap.com/insights/snippets/ledger-hack-2023/

[Arky]

Even with the hiccup I use two Ledgers and one Trezor. Here's info on the hack. https://zerocap.com/insights/snippets/ledger-hack-2023/

Cool. Sounds like they fixed it right away.

There was talk of a Trezor being hackable but the hacker needs the device to be in-hand. He then can brute-force his way into the device and with the proper tools can hack it.

So, never give out your seed phrase and never lend your device to someone in a hoodie with purple hair.