John Morrison 2012 MLB Thread

[MikeyFingers]

Maybe we should just play the C bets.

We would be 7-3 on the season. Betting $500/game we're up approx. $2k which is much better than I am after the Arizona loss.

Throw in NBA & NFL C bets we'll be alright. Any thoughts?

[J.M. Disciple]

Hagball you should really try out the labby again. It has made many people consistent money over the years. Just like any chase system though; you do need a large bankroll around 200 units to be safe with the labby. Most labby strategy is based on -110 odds or less. With MLB you are looking at -150 to -300 at times based on these rules, so a large bankroll should be implemented around 200 units.

A lot of people follow multiple systems as well, so if you are running a separate labby for each system, then I would suggest only playing 1% over 4 #s on your line at .25 - .25 - .25 - .25, so one series would only net a 1/2 a unit, but a series loss would be made back with 2-3 wins in a row. Thats where the labby comes in handy. Sucks to play the whole season chasing A-B-C-(D) and go undefeated until the last series and wipe out the entire season.

You ran a great thread HagBall and your efforts should be rewarded. Reward yourself by working on some labby skills going forward and watch your bankroll grow. Also note with the labby losses are made back as you know so you do not always have to play by the rules. Maybe play the -1.5RL on favorites or ML on dogs. Labby will still show a profit end of the season. I did not run the labby with this system this year not did I chase. I chimed in when I needed action and threw a couple plays into my own personal lines and did ok after a rough start to the season.

Hopefully next season you take my advice and make a decent amount of money. Also if this is the only MLB system you follow maybe start with 4% as your starting line. Should do just fine.

Anyone who ran the labby with this system care to share how they did?
Good Luck

[J.M. Disciple]

Maybe we should just play the C bets.

We would be 7-3 on the season. Betting $500/game we're up approx. $2k which is much better than I am after the Arizona loss.

Throw in NBA & NFL C bets we'll be alright. Any thoughts?

do not base thoughts on short term results. Had the ARZ series won system would of been up a lot more. Also betting $500 going 7-3 is not a net of $2k each you do not get +100 odds in MLB. People have thought of many different methods of playing this system and playing it as it is or with the labby on every series is best possible bet. MLB is so unpredictable at times best just to close your eyes and bet every game using the system + labby.

Maybe next season ill run my labby lines in the forum so people could follow a long. When most bets are winning on A or B level labby becomes super easy to manage. As hagball mentioned though when you follow all of JM systems and a crazy thing happens when he loses 4 consecutive C bets over different professional sports it does seem unmanageable at times. When these things happen you wont go bust, but you may have to reevaluate your unit size from $100 to $50 to finish off clearing your line. When the line gets cleared eventually you wont be even but your bankroll wont be bust either.

[MARCUS]

..take the day off..2 much juice 4 me!!

..I did..and won't bet more than -125..u'gatta pick your spots/opportunities guys.

I worked for both Feist and Root..fired from both..both like Morrisson are lying scum..

who DO NOT BET OR PICK their plays...BOL..THANKS Hgball for all your work/time here.

[h00dini]

i like it.

[h00dini]

Maybe we should just play the C bets.

We would be 7-3 on the season. Betting $500/game we're up approx. $2k which is much better than I am after the Arizona loss.

Throw in NBA & NFL C bets we'll be alright. Any thoughts?

i like it

[hagball52]

Thanks for all the input everybody. I tried the labby last year in hockey and got off to a booming start and started upping my amounts and was just killing it and then lost 9 in a row. You know how big a labby line grows with 9 consecutive losses. I wanted to puke. After that I lost 11 out of the next 15 that's when I decided to cut my losses and go in another direction. When baseball started this season I was with a capper and he started out 18-5 and I said okay now the labby is gonna work and then he went on a long down streak. Once again I bailed on the labby. I might need to look at employing it in a system like JM's but then last season in NFL and NHL he had some terrible losses. I may toy with it in the future but only with real small amounts. Also I'm looking at reducing my chase bets to (A) and (B) only. That does not mean starting at the (A) level but going no more than 2 bets into a series. It's not hard to recover from a (B) bet loss it's that (C) and (D) that are killer. One of you mentioned playing (C) bets only and that is an option. What I'm looking at doing is adding some good old fashioned handicapping to the series and deciding when and where to play it. However, I have seen Morrison's system go against all odds so that does not always work. I'm still tweaking and fine tuning what I do and whatever it is it will be on my own and not paying some tout. Marcus, you said you worked for Root and Fiest. I almost got on board with Root about 3 or 4 years ago but when his thugs kept harassing me day and night I just quit answering my phone and blocked the numbers. Learned a lot over the past 4 years and I feel I'm headed in the right direction. My wife's uncle did some time for bookmaking in Iowa. He said the only ones who come out are the bookmakers but I believe if you work at it hard enough you will find success. This thread has been great for sharing info and picking up on tips here and there. I'll let you all know how things are working out for me.

[bisturis]

I recently dropped my bets to .25% of my BR. I once read about a guy who only waged .25% of his $20k BR and ran a labby and he said he has always done fine. So I bet the .25% and have a 3 line labby. So far it has worked out fine. I don't sweat the big lines anymore cause I don't run out of money since my bets are so small compared to my BR. And also having 3 labby lines helps a lot. I'm still tweaking my money management to find a way to consistently make profit.

[Andy3568]

Playing only the "C" bets is a winning strategy this year. It isn't always.

[hagball52]

JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 24-1 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 14-12
(B) 5-6
(C) 4-2
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-5
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 49-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 32-19
(B) 14-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3

Official
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs (.468) v Milwaukee (.479) R/L (A) LOSS

*Unofficial*
08/27/2012 Cleveland (.486) v Oakland (.517) R/L (A) LOSS
08/27/2012 Minnesota (.482) v Seattle (.503) R/L (A) WIN

Next Plays
Official
08/28/2012 Chicago Cubs (.467) v Milwaukee (.480) +1.5 R/L (B) V2
08/28/2012 Boston (.503) @ LA Angels (.512) +1.5 R/L (A) 3 gm. set

*Unofficial*
08/28/2012 Cleveland (.485) v Oakland (.518) +1.5 R/L (B) V2
08/28/2012 Kansas City (.486) v Detroit (.514) +1.5 R/L (A) 3 gm. set (poss. V3)
08/28/2012 Houston (.449) v San Francisco (.512) +1.5 R/L (A) 3 gm. set (poss. V3)

Upcoming Plays
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
08/31/2012 Houston v Cincinnati
08/31/2012 Chicago Cubs v San Francisco
08/31/2012 Boston @ Oakland
08/31/2012 Chicago White Sox @ Detroit

Notes: Got a full slate of plays today. Lots of action. Looks like we'll have 2 or 3 more official plays in August after the 2 we are already playing. I know the next ones could finish up in Sept. but they start in August so I'll post them as official. We all know how Morrison will score them. If they win they are official and if they lose they are unofficial.

GL All

[MARCUS]

only 2 or 3 out of every 100 are winners at the end of the season..those 2 or 3 make $erious $$.

I promise you none are using anything close to morrisson's high juice,chase system..none!!

[NZT-48]

wow what a wait miin bro u worked for Feist and Root? for real? lol wow 1st time Ive ever bumped into someone who knows those dudes who are the scumbags of the world.....only thing Im missing to see now is someone has worked or dealt with Stu Finer and Brandon Lang both of them two big fking losers lol

..I did..and won't bet more than -125..u'gatta pick your spots/opportunities guys.

I worked for both Feist and Root..fired from both..both like Morrisson are lying scum..

who DO NOT BET OR PICK their plays...BOL..THANKS Hgball for all your work/time here.

[NZT-48]

hey hag I agree with most of what u saying bro.....but I truly find when you chase that u gotta start doing it at the beginning of every season in order for u to fully evaulate that season and any losses taken....know what I mean?

so another words dont start betting in Aug in MLB only u had to have bought his system back in April and I think everyone would have been fine.....sure it sucks ass when we lose a series but I think if we dont pony away any more official v1.0 series losses this season then u should be up probably......

the other key is I dont play those other 2 systems in MLB in NBA I do b/c its worthy I usually only play v1.0 in MLB only

Thanks for all the input everybody. I tried the labby last year in hockey and got off to a booming start and started upping my amounts and was just killing it and then lost 9 in a row. You know how big a labby line grows with 9 consecutive losses. I wanted to puke. After that I lost 11 out of the next 15 that's when I decided to cut my losses and go in another direction. When baseball started this season I was with a capper and he started out 18-5 and I said okay now the labby is gonna work and then he went on a long down streak. Once again I bailed on the labby. I might need to look at employing it in a system like JM's but then last season in NFL and NHL he had some terrible losses. I may toy with it in the future but only with real small amounts. Also I'm looking at reducing my chase bets to (A) and (B) only. That does not mean starting at the (A) level but going no more than 2 bets into a series. It's not hard to recover from a (B) bet loss it's that (C) and (D) that are killer. One of you mentioned playing (C) bets only and that is an option. What I'm looking at doing is adding some good old fashioned handicapping to the series and deciding when and where to play it. However, I have seen Morrison's system go against all odds so that does not always work. I'm still tweaking and fine tuning what I do and whatever it is it will be on my own and not paying some tout. Marcus, you said you worked for Root and Fiest. I almost got on board with Root about 3 or 4 years ago but when his thugs kept harassing me day and night I just quit answering my phone and blocked the numbers. Learned a lot over the past 4 years and I feel I'm headed in the right direction. My wife's uncle did some time for bookmaking in Iowa. He said the only ones who come out are the bookmakers but I believe if you work at it hard enough you will find success. This thread has been great for sharing info and picking up on tips here and there. I'll let you all know how things are working out for me.

[NZT-48]

hey hag and everyone for that matter......heres an example of what I've done and I started doing this here and there so I will provide all of my #s in short form for the thread sake


I have a $3000 bankroll started with the system on 8/13/12 plays with v1.0 only including official and unofficial plays.....

I bet 2% on A Bets for official and 1% on A Bets for unofficial

End of day on 8/24/12 before Mondays series started with the one loss on the Astros (unofficial) and the other recent loss on Arizona (official).....keep in mind in only 2 weeks I would be down -$312.92 so thats around 10% of your roll.....

But in keep in mind though guys I started this on 8/13/12 when there were a lot of other bets starting in April that have all won and you cant say you wouldnt be up by now just saying.....take it for what its worth (and yes that's with a chase system as well just so you know)

[J.M. Disciple]

Hag another thing you might want to talk to wallco about is implementing his 1-3-5 strategy. 1u on A, 3u on B and 5u on C.

If for example -110odds (#s in terms of units)
A) 1.10 to win 1
B) 4.51 to win 4.1
C) 11.67 to win 10.61

*Playing the ML would not be worth all the juice with this strategy but perhaps the -1.5RL would be worth a shot. Wallco should have the full break down of how the math works, but just food for thought if you do not want to labby.

Also as person above said 3 lines or even 2 lines with .25% per number or 1% per line would do fine with the labby. Lose 9 or 10 in a row will have some trouble, but shouldn't be too bad. If you look at how On3 is managing his lines, a similar strategy would work about the same. Should not risk more then 10 units ever on a single game if you are running 3 lines. I think on3 biggest bet had to be around 20 units, but he was also starting with 2% per line and wasn't adding any additional numbers to the line. Also a 200-300 unit bankroll would have no trouble clearing a long labby line. Especially since this system hits a pretty high rate. I would drop the v2 and v3 bets and just play the games for a 2 strike approach for what their worth.

JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 24-1 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 14-12 (53.8%)
(B) 5-6 (45.4)
(C) 4-2 (66.7)
(D) 1-0 (100)
V2 plays 3-5
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 49-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 32-19 (62.7)
(B) 14-4 (77.7)
(C) 3-1 (75%)
V2 plays 8-3

With those high winning percentages, the labby with a small unit size should have no problem crushing this system. Even with 9 straight losses you may have like 20 some odd units in play, but to average out the winning percent, the system would hit a hot streak and make it all back rather quickly.

If you have a full list of plays in order of date with the W/L I would test out the labby for you to see how it did this year or if you have last years list excluding the V2 and V3 plays I would test that as well. This year with the high winning percent on A bets labby would be very easy to use.

[adidas-b 88]

What system is the 2 or 3 using?

only 2 or 3 out of every 100 are winners at the end of the season..those 2 or 3 make $erious $$.

I promise you none are using anything close to morrisson's high juice,chase system..none!!

[hagball52]

JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 25-1 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 15-12
(B) 5-7
(C) 4-2
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-6
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 51-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 34-19
(B) 14-5
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-4

Official
08/28/2012 Chicago Cubs (.467) v Milwaukee (.480) R/L (B) V2 LOSS
08/28/2012 Boston (.503) @ LA Angels (.512) R/L (A) WIN

*Unofficial*
08/28/2012 Cleveland (.485) v Oakland (.518) R/L (B) V2 LOSS
08/28/2012 Kansas City (.486) v Detroit (.514) R/L /M/L(A) WIN
08/28/2012 Houston (.449) v San Francisco (.512) R/L (A) WIN

Next Plays
Official
08/29/2012 Chicago Cubs (.465) v Milwuakee (.480) +1.5 R/L (C) V2**

*Unofficial*
08/29/2012 Cleveland (.485) v Oakland (.519) +1.5 R/L (C) V2

V3
08/29/2012 Detroit (.513) @ Kansas City (.487) M/L (A) 2 gm. set

** The rpi on the CHC/MIL series is right at the limit. If the Cubs lose today they will drop below the limit in the rpi and we all know what that means. Morrison will call it unofficial and it won't count on his record if it loses so beware. We will count it as official all the way. Let's hope we don't have to worry about it.

Upcoming Plays
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
08/31/2012 Houston v Cincinnati
08/31/2012 Chicago Cubs v San Francisco
08/31/2012 Boston @ Oakland
08/31/2012 Chicago White Sox @ Detroit

Notes: A couple more (C) bets. Would you expect anything less. Also they are both double V2 plays. Up until last week I would have said they were solid but now who knows. Also they both are 4 game sets so a (D) bet is possible.

There are 3 possible sweeps today with 2 having future plays.

GL All

[MARCUS]

What system is the 2 or 3 using?

..you won't find it here.

[GGPLAYER]

So painful......I skip all the A bets. Days like yesterday just crush my sprit.

[MikeyFingers]

Both C bets win tonite. Cubs & Indians. Law of averages.

[J.M. Disciple]

Hopefully you all do hit these C-bets because On3's thread is really...(lost for words).

[DustyDiamond]

J.M. Do you normally do a 2 strike labby? I have heard some folks use a 3 strike and even 4 strike

Hag another thing you might want to talk to wallco about is implementing his 1-3-5 strategy. 1u on A, 3u on B and 5u on C.

If for example -110odds (#s in terms of units)
A) 1.10 to win 1
B) 4.51 to win 4.1
C) 11.67 to win 10.61

*Playing the ML would not be worth all the juice with this strategy but perhaps the -1.5RL would be worth a shot. Wallco should have the full break down of how the math works, but just food for thought if you do not want to labby.

Also as person above said 3 lines or even 2 lines with .25% per number or 1% per line would do fine with the labby. Lose 9 or 10 in a row will have some trouble, but shouldn't be too bad. If you look at how On3 is managing his lines, a similar strategy would work about the same. Should not risk more then 10 units ever on a single game if you are running 3 lines. I think on3 biggest bet had to be around 20 units, but he was also starting with 2% per line and wasn't adding any additional numbers to the line. Also a 200-300 unit bankroll would have no trouble clearing a long labby line. Especially since this system hits a pretty high rate. I would drop the v2 and v3 bets and just play the games for a 2 strike approach for what their worth.

JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 24-1 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 14-12 (53.8%)
(B) 5-6 (45.4)
(C) 4-2 (66.7)
(D) 1-0 (100)
V2 plays 3-5
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 49-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 32-19 (62.7)
(B) 14-4 (77.7)
(C) 3-1 (75%)
V2 plays 8-3

With those high winning percentages, the labby with a small unit size should have no problem crushing this system. Even with 9 straight losses you may have like 20 some odd units in play, but to average out the winning percent, the system would hit a hot streak and make it all back rather quickly.

If you have a full list of plays in order of date with the W/L I would test out the labby for you to see how it did this year or if you have last years list excluding the V2 and V3 plays I would test that as well. This year with the high winning percent on A bets labby would be very easy to use.

[J.M. Disciple]

Varies on strength of play, how heavy the labby line is, and starting number of units on the line. Some people may do a 4 strike starting with 1% on their line others will do 2 strike with 2% on their line. Really there is not much of a difference between the two. Also depends on how heavy the juice is. Some times I will also add in a parlay in tempts of trying to clear my entire line. It will only be for like 1/2 a unit at risk, so I will just average the parlay loss over my line or cross off the entire line. Its actually a great way to make money since parlays usually get at least 3:1.

I think 2 strike is best method and 2% on the line for NBA or NFL. If you are playing a system with higher juice (MLB) then maybe just do 1% on the line.

[MikeyFingers]

So cubs & indians have D bets tomorrow. Of course the C bets are gonna lose. This blows.

[MARCUS]

..you won't find it here.

[h00dini]

Morrison is done.

[bauerranch]

Morrison is done.

Done with you?
Done with his marketing?
Done with his lies?

Lets be honest. We all want his program to work. Most of us have paid for one of even more of his plans. We keep chasing it thinking it will work out.

I hate to say this - however he is not responsible for the players and if they win or lose. His programs have good theory however just don't work.

I just wish he would not lie about his record and steal more money from innocent people since I am sure there are people in jail who have done less than what he is doing on a daily basis.

[Mrscofield25]

Done with you?
Done with his marketing?
Done with his lies?

Lets be honest. We all want his program to work. Most of us have paid for one of even more of his plans. We keep chasing it thinking it will work out.

I hate to say this - however he is not responsible for the players and if they win or lose. His programs have good theory however just don't work.

I just wish he would not lie about his record and steal more money from innocent people since I am sure there are people in jail who have done less than what he is doing on a daily basis.

Heard!!!

[hagball52]

JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 25-1 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 15-12
(B) 5-7
(C) 4-3
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-7
V3 system 12-2 (1 series pending)
Unofficial series 51-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 34-19
(B) 14-5
(C) 3-2
(D) 0-0
V2 plays 8-5

Official
08/29/2012 Chicago Cubs (.465) v Milwuakee (.480) R/L (C) V2 LOSS

*Unofficial*
08/29/2012 Cleveland (.485) v Oakland (.519) R/L (C) V2 LOSS

V3
08/29/2012 Detroit (.513) @ Kansas City (.487) M/L (A) LOSS

Next Plays
Official
08/30/2012 Chicago Cubs (.464) v Milwaukee (.481) +1.5 R/L (D)**
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers (.500) v Arizona (.493) M/L (A) 4 gm. set

*Unofficial*
08/30/2012 Cleveland (.484) v Oakland (.519) +1.5 R/L (D) V2
08/30/2012 Toronto (.498) v Tampa Bay (.519) +1.5 R/L (A) 4 gm. set

V3
08/30/2012 Detroit (.511) @ Kansas City (.488) +1.5 Alt. R/L (B) Final bet

** Keep in mind that the Cubs have now dropped below the acceptable rpi limit. If they lose today and you lose all that (D) bet money don't worry it won't count as a loss. Just ask Morrison LOL.

Upcoming Plays
08/31/2012 Houston v Cincinnati
08/31/2012 Chicago Cubs v San Francisco
08/31/2012 Boston @ Oakland
08/31/2012 Chicago White Sox @ Detroit
09/03/2012 Colorado @ Atlanta
09/03/2012 Cleveland @ Detroit

Notes: Do you sense a note of sarcasm in my footnote above? Today is an epic day for the Morrison MLB system. There is a distinct possibility that all 3 final bets could lose and the whole MLB system could come crashing down and JM would deny it. I have made several observations over this season and the past 3 seasons of having this system. I will give my thoughts when it is all over. I will continue this thread to the bitter end and then give a total accounting with a summary.

There are 6 possible sweeps today with 2 having future plays. There was only one sweep yesterday but with no future play.

GL All

[MARCUS]

Done with you?
Done with his marketing?
Done with his lies?

Lets be honest. We all want his program to work. Most of us have paid for one of even more of his plans. We keep chasing it thinking it will work out.

I hate to say this - however he is not responsible for the players and if they win or lose. His programs have good theory however just don't work.

I just wish he would not lie about his record and steal more money from innocent people since I am sure there are people in jail who have done less than what he is doing on a daily basis.

...people in jail who have done alot less...97% are all SCAMDICAPPER$ !!

[h00dini]

so both cubs and cleveland are both "D" bets? so this crook can still come out on top if they win.

[Andy3568]

Notes: Do you sense a note of sarcasm in my footnote above? Today is an epic day for the Morrison MLB system. There is a distinct possibility that all 3 final bets could lose and the whole MLB system could come crashing down and JM would deny it. I have made several observations over this season and the past 3 seasons of having this system. I will give my thoughts when it is all over. I will continue this thread to the bitter end and then give a total accounting with a summary.

He can do that with this series, but he can't avoid the Arizona loss that way. He may just propose a rule change and move the end of the betting season to 7/31. Then we can just forward that email to our sportsbooks and get a refund.

[hagball52]

so both cubs and cleveland are both "D" bets? so this crook can still come out on top if they win.

Unfortunately, yes. Maybe I shouldn't be so negative. I did jump in on the (C) bets so I only have second bet money on the (D) bets and I would really like them to win. I'm just sick and tired of Morrison's hype and bullshit. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and what his response is. When the season is over I will email him a copy of the total tally.

[hagball52]

He can do that with this series, but he can't avoid the Arizona loss that way. He may just propose a rule change and move the end of the betting season to 7/31. Then we can just forward that email to our sportsbooks and get a refund.

That's so true.

[NZT-48]

hey hag no comment on my post #1239 I will put up the real #s after todays plays are official just so people know what happens when u chase even when I started

That's so true.