John Morrison 2011 MLB

[J.M. Disciple]

He was probably referring to Ataris thread. was like 8 pages of bull crap from 2 people. Everyone should of just kept quiet and ignored them. Everyone always wants to jump in and fight someone elses battle, then you get pages and pages of non sense. Happened a few times in this thread as well.

Work as a team, stay positive, and make money.

Why wouldn't your B bet cash Wallco? I took Philly ML cause it was low enough and I know SF usually plays some pretty close games so didn't want to touch the -1.5. I still got paid for it. Even though you were 1-1 today you should still be in the positive right?

Good luck tomorrow. Hopefully Atari's thread comes back to life. 2 people almost got it shut down

[COYLO]

would be handy if we had the ignore function.

[Wallco99]

He was probably referring to Ataris thread. was like 8 pages of bull crap from 2 people. Everyone should of just kept quiet and ignored them. Everyone always wants to jump in and fight someone elses battle, then you get pages and pages of non sense. Happened a few times in this thread as well.

Work as a team, stay positive, and make money.

Why wouldn't your B bet cash Wallco? I took Philly ML cause it was low enough and I know SF usually plays some pretty close games so didn't want to touch the -1.5. I still got paid for it. Even though you were 1-1 today you should still be in the positive right?

Good luck tomorrow. Hopefully Atari's thread comes back to life. 2 people almost got it shut down

There was a pitching change, so all runlines get voided out by the books and new lines get opened. If you didn't place a second wager, you would recieve a no action for the play. The Phils won by more than 1, so the system gets a win, since valid bets were made available before the game. However, most of us did not cash in on it. One of the drawbacks of runline betting. This series is over, but I will continue to post unofficial plays for the rest of the series for those who wish to chase it anyway.

[NZT-48]

Why, what happened to you?

nothing per say happened Im just tired of not knowing who is behind Oz's curtain and then all of a sudden the moderators show up out of the blue like they care and enforce things on u like your a good little boy in school

and you will get a treat when u get home if u behave well in school

I've said this before and I will keep saying this site is for unfiltered comments about gambling PERIOD!!!!!!!! if this is not what this site is for then I'd like to know what it is for?

if someone doesnt like the fact that someone cusses or whatever then you know what this site isnt for you is all......you know just basics fundamentals here folks right?

but noooooooo if u state the truth and u may not do it in the most PC way then people either get pissy or tattle tail on u like u are in elementary school lame!!!!

either represent what this site is for or shut it the F UCK down b/c it is starting to be a useless waste of time and energy when morons are not controlled and booted from the site like they should be

[J.M. Disciple]

Yanks are only -150 ML at betus.com right now. Seems really low, almost like a trap, but its only seattle! I have 4 #s on my labby and im currently waiting for 2 tennis matches in a couple hours to clear my line. Then ill be all over the Yanks and Boston on the early games tomorrow.

Thanks Wallco for answering. I did not know that Run Lines get canceled out. I'm glad I had the ML.

Is it possible to choose RL and "action?" Just incase there is a pitcher change?

--JMD

[NavSchl]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 156-11 (v2: 14-1)
System profit/loss: +27.43 units (finished series)
Since my first post: +7.16 units (141-11) (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.2 units)

(7/25/11):
#165 St. Louis (M/L) (A) - Win
#166 St. Louis (-1½) (A) - Win
#167 Philadelphia (-1½) v2 (A) - Loss
#168 N.Y. Yankees (-1½) v2 (A) - Win
#169 Texas (-1½) v2 (A) - Win

(A) 86-82
(B) 38-43
(C) 20-23
(D) 12-11


Games for (7/26/11):
#164 Chicago Cubs (M/L) @ Milwaukee (A) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)
#167 San Francisco @ Philadelphia (-1½) v2 (B) (7:05 pm EDT)


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

The v1 plays may change to the other team by game time. The v2 plays will not change teams, but may change (M/L) or (R/L), the team will usually remain the same. Once Official, nothing will change. We have to be careful when playing a game that qualifies for both v1 and v2, because if a team should switch, we may be playing both sides later in the series, or we could even start out on both sides. The system will count all games as wins/losses, how you play them is your discretion. If not otherwise marked, the play will be v1.

Walco. Your B record seems to be missing one win or loss. It looks like s sin is not recorded. Or maybe there is another reason. Sorry to be picky just my ocd.

[alexknyc]

Walco. Your B record seems to be missing one win or loss. It looks like s sin is not recorded. Or maybe there is another reason. Sorry to be picky just my ocd.

Wasn't the 82nd B bet the one from yesterday?

[hagball52]

JM MLB System

2011 Official season series record 16-1 (v1)
(A) 11-6
(B) 3-3
(C) 2-1
V2 plays 5-4
V3 system 3-1
Unofficial series 20-0

*Unofficial*
(7/25/2011) San Diego (.479) @ Philadelphia (.538) R/L (D) Win

Next Plays
(7/29/2011) Kansas City @ Cleveland
(7/29/2011) Boston @ Chicago White Sox
(7/29/2011) Chicago Cubs @ St Louis
(7/29/2011) Florida @ Atlanta

Upcoming Plays
(8/01/2011) St Louis @ Milwaukee
(8/01/2011) San Diego v LA Dodgers
(8/02/2011) Kansas City v Baltimore

Notes: Just an update everyone. There are 2 possible sweeps today and maybe a couple more tomorrow. I will post my complete personal list later this week. Hope everyone is having a good week. GL all

[Grecdogg]

Question - Anybody use bookmaker.com? They got shut down by US Immigration & Customs, but bookmaker has emailed me that they have a new site bkmaker.ag... Im hesitant to dep $ into my account their... Anybody have any feedback? Thanks

G

[Wallco99]

Yanks are only -150 ML at betus.com right now. Seems really low, almost like a trap, but its only seattle! I have 4 #s on my labby and im currently waiting for 2 tennis matches in a couple hours to clear my line. Then ill be all over the Yanks and Boston on the early games tomorrow.

Thanks Wallco for answering. I did not know that Run Lines get canceled out. I'm glad I had the ML.

Is it possible to choose RL and "action?" Just incase there is a pitcher change?

--JMD

I don't know any book who will do that. I tried, mine said no. O/U bets also get canceled on a pitching change I believe.

[Wallco99]

Wasn't the 82nd B bet the one from yesterday?

That is because there was still one open B bet on Phils. They lost A bet and it was recorded, so the B's will be one short because that game wasn't played at that point. I update the A B C D after each game, and the totals at the top after each series.

[GGPLAYER]

We got boned on The Phils game, Lincecum was scratched, so hopefully everyone got new runline bets in. Hopefully the Phils win by 1, and we can pick up series tomorrow. If not, it will count and we will have to chase it at a higher risk if we wish. I didn't get new bet in, I will still post unofficial plays tomorrow if Phils win by 2 or more tonight. If they lose or win by 1, then no harm, we will just play B bet tomorrow.

I guess I lucked out since my book already had the change when I found out this play was offical. More upset that Cubs loaded the bases with no outs and did not score a run!

[pagodo]

Bet365 offers an 'action' option on all baseball bets/props. I have a nice chunk of my bankroll there and I'm enjoying success playing Wallco's system picks using a three-line labby. Cleared four big numbers with the SF@PHI (B) bet yesterday.

Thanks for grinding on for us tailers, Wallco. I have been playing almost all of your picks for over two months now and I have also been very much impressed by the patience you were showing when this thread was under fire and mired in idiotic comments. Please keep up the brilliant work. Hopefully you'll have a handful of plays for us for the weekend!

[GGPLAYER]

Question - Anybody use bookmaker.com? They got shut down by US Immigration & Customs, but bookmaker has emailed me that they have a new site bkmaker.ag... Im hesitant to dep $ into my account their... Anybody have any feedback? Thanks

G

I use them as one of my books. I made a withdrawal right after the change and got my check within the week. There is no change in service. It was basically a move to prevent them from being shut down because they were a .com. Other than the http address nothing has changed.

[Grecdogg]

I use them as one of my books. I made a withdrawal right after the change and got my check within the week. There is no change in service. It was basically a move to prevent them from being shut down because they were a .com. Other than the http address nothing has changed.

Aight, so your saying its safe to dep $ into the new site, and withdrawls are no problem? Still a lil weary bec of what its says on bookmaker.com... the whole illegal bs

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 157-11 (v2: 15-1)
System profit/loss: +28.98 units (finished series)
Since my first post: +8.71 units (142-11) (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.0 units)

(7/26/11):
#164 Chicago Cubs (M/L) (A) - Loss
#167 Philadelphia (-1½) v2 (B) - Win

(A) 86-83
(B) 39-43
(C) 20-23
(D) 12-11


Games for (7/27/11):
#164 Chicago Cubs (M/L) @ Milwaukee (B) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)
#170 Houston @ St. Louis (-1½) v2 (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)

Non System Cont. Play:
#167(U) San Francisco @ Philadelphia (-1½) v2 (B) (7:05 pm EDT) **

** This play is optional. The series ended with Philadelphia’s win yesterday. This play is for those whose bet was canceled because of pitching change and wish to continue the series anyway. Play at your own risk. The system has never been backtested for multiple wins in one series, and a win/loss in this continuation series will NOT count in system records. Still wait for the word *Official* to appear before placing any wagers.

** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

The v1 plays may change to the other team by game time. The v2 plays will not change teams, but may change (M/L) or (R/L), the team will usually remain the same. Once Official, nothing will change. We have to be careful when playing a game that qualifies for both v1 and v2, because if a team should switch, we may be playing both sides later in the series, or we could even start out on both sides. The system will count all games as wins/losses, how you play them is your discretion. If not otherwise marked, the play will be v1.

[Wallco99]

Bet365 offers an 'action' option on all baseball bets/props. I have a nice chunk of my bankroll there and I'm enjoying success playing Wallco's system picks using a three-line labby. Cleared four big numbers with the SF@PHI (B) bet yesterday.

Thanks for grinding on for us tailers, Wallco. I have been playing almost all of your picks for over two months now and I have also been very much impressed by the patience you were showing when this thread was under fire and mired in idiotic comments. Please keep up the brilliant work. Hopefully you'll have a handful of plays for us for the weekend!

Even on runline bets, are you sure? This would be the first book that I've heard of that offers that. I would suggest clicking that option in the future if it is offered to you.

[thelimit0310]

Aight, so your saying its safe to dep $ into the new site, and withdrawls are no problem? Still a lil weary bec of what its says on bookmaker.com... the whole illegal bs

You'll be fine at bookmaker, Grec. The only thing changed is the address of the site, nothing else. The US can not seize the new address either because it is a .ag site and not a .com site. You're fine, but if you're so skeptical about it why not just join another book? 5Dimes is a great choice and has reduced juice during the MLB season.

[pagodo]

Even on runline bets, are you sure? This would be the first book that I've heard of that offers that. I would suggest clicking that option in the future if it is offered to you.

Checked that quickly now and there was a small error on my part, most props are always played as 'listed pitchers' (1st inning score for example).

All team or total bets though have a dropdown menu where you're allowed to choose 'action'. I always played your picks (both ML and RL) as 'action' and they never cancelled my bet after a pitching change had occurred (I seem to remember it's the second or third time it happened this year).

I don't really know my way around online books (I have only ever used pinnacle, betus and bet365), so I'm actually quite surprised that you can't choose 'action' on the run line at most bookmakers.

[Want2Win]

cancelled bet here on Phil and couldn't believe that the Cubs could score

[Grecdogg]

You'll be fine at bookmaker, Grec. The only thing changed is the address of the site, nothing else. The US can not seize the new address either because it is a .ag site and not a .com site. You're fine, but if you're so skeptical about it why not just join another book? 5Dimes is a great choice and has reduced juice during the MLB season.

Ok thanks for the input. I been using bookmaker for a couple years now and haven't had a problem, so I rather stick with them... I heard good things ab 5dimes but im gonna stick with bkmr.ag lol thanks bud

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$ - Plays for 7/27/11
2011 System to date: 157-11 (v2: 15-1)
System profit/loss: +28.98 units (finished series)
Since my first post: +8.71 units (142-11) (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.0 units)

#164 Chicago Cubs (M/L) @ Milwaukee (B) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)
#170 Houston @ St. Louis (-1½) v2 (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

The v1 plays may change to the other team by game time. The v2 plays will not change teams, but may change (M/L) or (R/L), the team will usually remain the same. Once Official, nothing will change. We have to be careful when playing a game that qualifies for both v1 and v2, because if a team should switch, we may be playing both sides later in the series, or we could even start out on both sides. The system will count all games as wins/losses, how you play them is your discretion. If not otherwise marked, the play will be v1.

[GGPLAYER]

Pitching change for SF.......this one is early enough everyone should be aware of it.

[Wallco99]

Pitching change for SF.......this one is early enough everyone should be aware of it.

Figured that was coming. Who is actually pitching today, is it Cain or Lincecum? Cain was on the board when I posted and it said he was replacing Lincecum when line first came out. Is it still Cain, or did they switch back to Lincecum after my post? If it is still Cain, then anyone who put in a bet should be alright.

[G's pks]

Guys one thing to remember...tired arms and pitching changes are very common this time of year...that is why odds should be listed on all these plays...if a change is made like yesterday and you are going to somehow call that a win obviously the odds changed too...(wallco) you need to come back in the thread before the game and make that change in time for others to see it and also go with the change...everyone right now should be going with listed pitcher because this is the time of the year there are changes...

I believe this was the point Dexter was trying to make during his nervous breakdown in Atari's thread...as well as the ghost he created wolfpack (whatever)... Odds and amounts within a thread are more than important....no way in the world would I ever been able to call the phillies a winner in my thread if I had played it...if you run a thread people rely on you to list the changes or show the bet as cancelled as the phillies should have been here...with the pitching change mentioned and fresh odds...

[G's pks]

I play Listed (not Action) so my bets got cancelled. Looking forward to the B bet.

This is what should be listed...there was a change..the play was marked official and never with any odds ever listed is what allows to this to be skirted around and called a win... Hopefully you catch that "B" bet today...GL...

I would be hammered endlessly if I wrote something like official next to the bet and just said "ok the phillies are winning so I hope you all made the change because it now counts as a win"....

Most make their play and do not think they will have to look a few hours later and see a cancelled bet and make a second bet...

Now if 2-3 hours before the game there was something like this...

**warning there has been a pitching change in the phillies game... due to this our original bet is off and there will be a new bet placed on the new odds and new pitcher now on the mound***

Not ok the phillies are winning 5-1 in the 5th so I will count it as a win...even though I did not get the bet in..I expect you did...

[alexknyc]

This is what should be listed...there was a change..the play was marked official and never with any odds ever listed is what allows to this to be skirted around and called a win... Hopefully you catch that "B" bet today...GL... I would be hammered endlessly if I wrote something like official next to the bet and just said "ok the phillies are winning so I hope you all made the change because it now counts as a win".... Most make their play and do not think they will have to look a few hours later and see a cancelled bet and make a second bet... Now if 2-3 hours before the game there was something like this... **warning there has been a pitching change in the phillies game... due to this our original bet is off and there will be a new bet placed on the new odds and new pitcher now on the mound*** Not ok the phillies are winning 5-1 in the 5th so I will count it as a win...even though I did not get the bet in..I expect you did...

I agree... it shouldn't be counted as a win.

If you're going to declare the series over because the Phillies won, that would work for me. If you're going to "unofficially" continue the series with the warning that Wallco gave, that works too.

[Wallco99]

Guys one thing to remember...tired arms and pitching changes are very common this time of year...that is why odds should be listed on all these plays...if a change is made like yesterday and you are going to somehow call that a win obviously the odds changed too...(wallco) you need to come back in the thread before the game and make that change in time for others to see it and also go with the change...everyone right now should be going with listed pitcher because this is the time of the year there are changes...

I believe this was the point Dexter was trying to make during his nervous breakdown in Atari's thread...as well as the ghost he created wolfpack (whatever)... Odds and amounts within a thread are more than important....no way in the world would I ever been able to call the phillies a winner in my thread if I had played it...if you run a thread people rely on you to list the changes or show the bet as cancelled as the phillies should have been here...with the pitching change mentioned and fresh odds...

Phillies won by more than two, and bet odds were made available for Zito/Worley matchup. The system says that a team will win one of the next four games when criteria are met. When doing the backtest, there is no way possible to know which pitchers were scheduled to start every game that qualified as a series play. Needless to say, these games were counted in all totals. If they count then, they count now. My play yesterday said Philadelphia (-1 1/2), that was the outcome. Once the game is official, it is the individual bettors responsibility to make sure their bets are properly placed. Had I or someone noticed it, we would have mentioned it. Had this game lost, the system would be on a (C) bet today, even though we would be playing it as a (B). The bet was official, Vegas made lines available, and hopefully some were able to take advantage. I know a couple people did. Good job to them. What line you get the pick at is irrelavent to the system results. The final score of the game is all that determines the wins and losses.

[Wallco99]

I agree... it shouldn't be counted as a win.

If you're going to declare the series over because the Phillies won, that would work for me. If you're going to "unofficially" continue the series with the warning that Wallco gave, that works too.

I can cancel the unofficial play. The only reason it is on here is because the last time this happened during a Colorado series, people insisted I keep posting the play, even though the series was over and technically what I was posting may not be accurate. I tried to explain that, but they still wanted it listed. I will remove pick if you guys want. Just for the record, I am taking my 1 unit loss and moving on. The system criteria were met and team won the game, and no backtest has ever been performed to see how often a team wins twice in a series. Especially with +money bets, I probably wouldn't want to chance it.

[Wallco99]

This is what should be listed...there was a change..the play was marked official and never with any odds ever listed is what allows to this to be skirted around and called a win... Hopefully you catch that "B" bet today...GL...

I would be hammered endlessly if I wrote something like official next to the bet and just said "ok the phillies are winning so I hope you all made the change because it now counts as a win"....

Most make their play and do not think they will have to look a few hours later and see a cancelled bet and make a second bet...

Now if 2-3 hours before the game there was something like this...

**warning there has been a pitching change in the phillies game... due to this our original bet is off and there will be a new bet placed on the new odds and new pitcher now on the mound***

Not ok the phillies are winning 5-1 in the 5th so I will count it as a win...even though I did not get the bet in..I expect you did...

Unfortunately, pitching changes are out of my control. I have no idea how many of the past years wins and losses were a result of a different line being offered because of a pitching change. Therefore, win or lose, they count. Had this been a (D) bet and they lost, it would have been a break for the players, but a loss for the system.

[Wallco99]

This is what should be listed...there was a change..the play was marked official and never with any odds ever listed is what allows to this to be skirted around and called a win... Hopefully you catch that "B" bet today...GL...

I would be hammered endlessly if I wrote something like official next to the bet and just said "ok the phillies are winning so I hope you all made the change because it now counts as a win"....

Most make their play and do not think they will have to look a few hours later and see a cancelled bet and make a second bet...

Now if 2-3 hours before the game there was something like this...

**warning there has been a pitching change in the phillies game... due to this our original bet is off and there will be a new bet placed on the new odds and new pitcher now on the mound***

Not ok the phillies are winning 5-1 in the 5th so I will count it as a win...even though I did not get the bet in..I expect you did...

It doesn't matter, because pitching changes aren't one of the criteria in this system, for reasons I have described above. If it were, then I could never make a bet official until minutes before the game, making sure no changes happen. Phillies -1 1/2 was the official play regardless of pitchers or lines.

[alexknyc]

I can cancel the unofficial play. The only reason it is on here is because the last time this happened during a Colorado series, people insisted I keep posting the play, even though the series was over and technically what I was posting may not be accurate. I tried to explain that, but they still wanted it listed. I will remove pick if you guys want. Just for the record, I am taking my 1 unit loss and moving on. The system criteria were met and team won the game, and no backtest has ever been performed to see how often a team wins twice in a series. Especially with +money bets, I probably wouldn't want to chance it.

It's your system and you can play/score it as you see fit. I understand your explanation of why you've scored it as a win.

[GGPLAYER]

Figured that was coming. Who is actually pitching today, is it Cain or Lincecum? Cain was on the board when I posted and it said he was replacing Lincecum when line first came out. Is it still Cain, or did they switch back to Lincecum after my post? If it is still Cain, then anyone who put in a bet should be alright.

First off damn I wanted to be Sea so badly today...totally punked out on that one.

Ok my understanding was Lincecum was suppose to pitch and they put Cain in his place. So as it stands Cain is the starter.

[Wallco99]

I took the play out.

[Wallco99]

It's your system and you can play/score it as you see fit. I understand your explanation of why you've scored it as a win.

It is only because that is how all backtest results were determined. If some count then all count. This could also work in our benefit at times if the team happens to lose. I mentioned this is how plays would be graded the last time this happened. This is one of the drawbacks of runline betting. But for all the rewards it offers, it is worth the occasional BS. I called my book, in the future he is going to credit/debit my account for any runline bet that gats canceled due to pitching change. It will be for the new line obviously, but I won't have to worry anymore. Pagodo mentioned his book offer option for "action" bets. Check out yours.