balls2wall
Sorry for not knowing what you know... but you say you calculate it, why? what is the benefit of calculating it? when you go to any casino, online or whatever, all of them are -1.5 odds, so why do you that math? as I said, I am sorry for asking this, I don't quite understand it. I know there are some posts in the forum about the calculation, but still dont know the use of it
greetings
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NastyStuff
SBR Hustler
12-08-09
96
#2629
Nice job yesterday by Boston... if I have this right...it looks like STL is the Fav for today on an "A" bet...is that correct?
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JVP3122
SBR MVP
05-02-09
1048
#2630
Originally posted by pistolero
balls2wall
Sorry for not knowing what you know... but you say you calculate it, why? what is the benefit of calculating it? when you go to any casino, online or whatever, all of them are -1.5 odds, so why do you that math? as I said, I am sorry for asking this, I don't quite understand it. I know there are some posts in the forum about the calculation, but still dont know the use of it
greetings
There's not really any math that he does. Like he said, there is a -1RL calculator that has been posted on a couple of forums, including this one. I'm not sure if this was part of the reason for your post, but he/we calculate the -1RL for two reasons. One of them is to reduce the juice on the biggest favorite, and the second is so that if there's a 1-run win by said favorite, then it's just a push instead of a loss, which it would be by just going with the -1.5 RL.
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NastyStuff
SBR Hustler
12-08-09
96
#2631
Originally posted by JVP3122
There's not really any math that he does. Like he said, there is a -1RL calculator that has been posted on a couple of forums, including this one. I'm not sure if this was part of the reason for your post, but he/we calculate the -1RL for two reasons. One of them is to reduce the juice on the biggest favorite, and the second is so that if there's a 1-run win by said favorite, then it's just a push instead of a loss, which it would be by just going with the -1.5 RL.
It would be nice to know how many times the highest daily FAV has won on the "A" bet this season and how many times it has won by 2 so that the - 1R wasn't a push on the bet... if anyone has those stats they would be very helpful to see the percentage return on betting it "straight-up" vs. the "- 1rl" percentage return...as well we could do a little homework on which way is the best way to go after this...do a chase on the daily FAV as a straight up bet or do the -1RL...because it returns enough consistently to go that route....sorry if this is a noob train of thought...but I am really curious as to what those numbers would be.
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JVP3122
SBR MVP
05-02-09
1048
#2632
Originally posted by NastyStuff
It would be nice to know how many times the highest daily FAV has won on the "A" bet this season and how many times it has won by 2 so that the - 1R wasn't a push on the bet... if anyone has those stats they would be very helpful to see the percentage return on betting it "straight-up" vs. the "- 1rl" percentage return...as well we could do a little homework on which way is the best way to go after this...do a chase on the daily FAV as a straight up bet or do the -1RL...because it returns enough consistently to go that route....sorry if this is a noob train of thought...but I am really curious as to what those numbers would be.
B2W has been cool enough to mark down when the Fav bet has won, but I don't recall Rev including that much detail. You can start going back through the pages to see how it's done, though. All of the info is in this forum. The reason that the -1RL is used is strictly to keep the juice down. Say, for simplicity's sake, that the ML is -200, and the RL is +100, making the -1RL odds -150. Say you lose the A bet, so you're behind 1.5 units instead of 2 on the ML. If, God forbid, we end up getting to a C bet on the series, you'll be laying 14.06 units if you stuck with the -1RL, whereas strictly with the ML you'd be laying 27 units. It adds up quickly with the juice. If you've got the cash to be able to afford going through the ML instead of the RL then you might as well try it, but I'd make my starting wager to win 0.5 units so it's not ridiculously expensive. The way I play it is if the game is a push then I just pretend that game never happened. If it's a push on the B bet, then I'll just treat the next day's game as the B bet.
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2633
Originally posted by pistolero
balls2wall
Sorry for not knowing what you know... but you say you calculate it, why? what is the benefit of calculating it? when you go to any casino, online or whatever, all of them are -1.5 odds, so why do you that math? as I said, I am sorry for asking this, I don't quite understand it. I know there are some posts in the forum about the calculation, but still dont know the use of it
greetings
JVP did a great job of summing it up a few posts back
thanks JVP
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2634
Originally posted by JVP3122
B2W has been cool enough to mark down when the Fav bet has won, but I don't recall Rev including that much detail. You can start going back through the pages to see how it's done, though. All of the info is in this forum. The reason that the -1RL is used is strictly to keep the juice down. Say, for simplicity's sake, that the ML is -200, and the RL is +100, making the -1RL odds -150. Say you lose the A bet, so you're behind 1.5 units instead of 2 on the ML. If, God forbid, we end up getting to a C bet on the series, you'll be laying 14.06 units if you stuck with the -1RL, whereas strictly with the ML you'd be laying 27 units. It adds up quickly with the juice. If you've got the cash to be able to afford going through the ML instead of the RL then you might as well try it, but I'd make my starting wager to win 0.5 units so it's not ridiculously expensive. The way I play it is if the game is a push then I just pretend that game never happened. If it's a push on the B bet, then I'll just treat the next day's game as the B bet.
Yeah, I don't think I would ever do this chase on the ML. We had a little stretch of back to back -300 games which could get scary quickly. In fact, going to the C and D bets on the -1rl is scary enough.
I haven't been playing this chase in a while, but I have played many of the plays individually and I have used the -1rl on all of them I believe except for a couple of -1.5s.
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2635
Substitute FAV System Record
9-0 (+9 units)
A: 6
B: 3
C: 0
D: 0
Loss: 0
REV's FAV System Record
19-0 (+25 units)
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2636
Sunday FAV System Play
A BET: STL -1RL (-166) risking 1.66 units to win 1 unit
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NastyStuff
SBR Hustler
12-08-09
96
#2637
Originally posted by JVP3122
B2W has been cool enough to mark down when the Fav bet has won, but I don't recall Rev including that much detail. You can start going back through the pages to see how it's done, though. All of the info is in this forum. The reason that the -1RL is used is strictly to keep the juice down. Say, for simplicity's sake, that the ML is -200, and the RL is +100, making the -1RL odds -150. Say you lose the A bet, so you're behind 1.5 units instead of 2 on the ML. If, God forbid, we end up getting to a C bet on the series, you'll be laying 14.06 units if you stuck with the -1RL, whereas strictly with the ML you'd be laying 27 units. It adds up quickly with the juice. If you've got the cash to be able to afford going through the ML instead of the RL then you might as well try it, but I'd make my starting wager to win 0.5 units so it's not ridiculously expensive. The way I play it is if the game is a push then I just pretend that game never happened. If it's a push on the B bet, then I'll just treat the next day's game as the B bet.
This is why they pay you the big bucks in here!!!!.......thanks for your help...this makes alot of sense...especially when you treat the push bets as if they didn't happen and move on with the chase...again thanks for taking the time to help me....it's appreciated!
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df1000
SBR High Roller
05-06-10
123
#2638
if im going by the a.b.c method, then san diego is a lock for today.
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sidewinder66
SBR High Roller
01-31-10
148
#2639
hope STL gets it done. I will surely follow this thread in the future
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TopDog
SBR Hustler
06-25-08
72
#2640
Come on St. Louis.
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JVP3122
SBR MVP
05-02-09
1048
#2641
If I ever run into Matt Holliday I'm going to punch him in the fvcking head. Two out of the last three innings he has a situation where a base hit drives in a run and he gets such garbage swings on the ball.
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DustyDiamond
SBR Wise Guy
12-19-09
772
#2642
Looks to be the Phillies, today opened at -180 for a B bet
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NastyStuff
SBR Hustler
12-08-09
96
#2643
Yes it looks like Philly...but they haven't posted the opening odds for the STL/LAD game yet...so we have to wait and see if those odds come out higher than Philly.
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2644
Monday FAV System Play
B Bet: PHI -1 (-127) risking 3.39 units to win 2.66 units (1 unit profit)
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df1000
SBR High Roller
05-06-10
123
#2645
ty san diego
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df1000
SBR High Roller
05-06-10
123
#2646
ty for todays fav update
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diegoelmestre
SBR Wise Guy
12-30-09
510
#2647
hope Phillies get job done :s I dont like C bets very much :s
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DustyDiamond
SBR Wise Guy
12-19-09
772
#2648
Looks to be the Yankees, opened at -210 for a C bet
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NastyStuff
SBR Hustler
12-08-09
96
#2649
Originally posted by DustyDiamond
Looks to be the Yankees, opened at -210 for a C bet
Yes...but we should be okay today on this one...they're playing Baltimore....'nuff said...
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2650
before yesterday's games I was thinking this system is probably not best designed for days that have very few games...
on to the C bet
Tuesday FAV System Play
C Bet: NYY -1RL (-175) risking 10.6 units to win 6.05 units (1 unit profit)
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df1000
SBR High Roller
05-06-10
123
#2651
i am curious how this new kid will pitch today for washington.
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docvinny
SBR Sharp
11-21-09
386
#2652
i haven't checked in here since about the time reverend quit posting, how are things going?
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Darremannen
SBR High Roller
07-18-09
174
#2653
Originally posted by balls2wall
before yesterday's games I was thinking this system is probably not best designed for days that have very few games...
on to the C bet
A big bet on yankkees?
Tuesday FAV System Play
C Bet: NYY -1RL (-175) risking 10.6 units to win 6.05 units (1 unit profit)
This is a big play?
Record 12-6 +16.54units http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/510691-long-mlb-tread-darremannen.html
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JVP3122
SBR MVP
05-02-09
1048
#2654
Originally posted by balls2wall
before yesterday's games I was thinking this system is probably not best designed for days that have very few games...
on to the C bet
Tuesday FAV System Play
C Bet: NYY -1RL (-175) risking 10.6 units to win 6.05 units (1 unit profit)
I know what you're saying about a small number of games but I would think that's for days with four games. I just think the books had it wrong with Philly being the biggest fav.
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2655
Originally posted by df1000
i am curious how this new kid will pitch today for washington.
surely there will be some butterflies
they say he has been dominant in the minors
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2656
Originally posted by docvinny
i haven't checked in here since about the time reverend quit posting, how are things going?
good so far
record is near the top of this page
9-0 so far since REV
this is the first c bet...
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2657
Originally posted by Darremannen
This is a big play?
yeah, we don't want to see the dreaded D bet...
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balls2wall
SBR MVP
12-20-09
2642
#2658
Originally posted by JVP3122
I know what you're saying about a small number of games but I would think that's for days with four games. I just think the books had it wrong with Philly being the biggest fav.
Yeah, I agree
in fact, if there is a day with only 4 or 5 games I may pass on the official play unless it looks good
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dynamitappletini
Restricted User
03-27-10
917
#2659
DAMN! I have to pass on that one.... I'm pretty big on RL O's.... will have to move the C bet to the new series or the D bet... we'll see...
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TNT28
SBR Sharp
03-22-10
274
#2660
Yeh this is a scary bet today cuz PiMike has a double system play on the O's +1.5