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  • Jasonal_98
    SBR MVP
    • 06-16-09
    • 1443

    #1
    Floating Realignment
    I've been hearing about this today and finally tracked down an article. I pray it doesn't come to this:

  • stealthyburrito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 05-12-09
    • 21562

    #2
    that the dumbest thing i've ever heard
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    • peterpan19
      Restricted User
      • 11-02-08
      • 3377

      #3
      like that idea a lot
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      • Willie Bee
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-14-06
        • 15726

        #4
        David Schoenfield at ESPN had a similar article about this a month or so ago, so if anything it shows you how slow Tom Verducci at SI can be. The idea is so crazy that at first I can't believe anyone is serious about it, and then I remember that we're talking about the baseball owners.

        Note the "no sacred cows" bit. Someone ask the committee and/or Selig if there is any possible way the Red Sox and Yankees would ever be split up and not in the same division. Then vome talk to me about sacred cows.

        I am in favor of realignment (to six, five-team divisions) and an overhaul to the schedule (getting rid of the fcuked-up interleague rivals crap). I'd move Houston to the AL West, either them or Kansas City (with Milwaukee going to AL Central in that case). I really don't want my Asotrs to become an AL club, but it makes the most sense geographically. The Rangers get screwed year-in, year-out on the present alignment. Can you imagine the Yankees being in a division with tams all two time zones away? (LINK)
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        • Beastxxx
          SBR Sharp
          • 06-26-09
          • 446

          #5
          I like the idea myself would be great to see other teams contend in the same division against the super powers such as the yanks and red sox.
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          • jagaf22
            SBR MVP
            • 01-22-08
            • 2932

            #6
            I like the idea. It's an "outside" of the box approach. Something baseball desperately needs!
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            • floridagolfer
              SBR MVP
              • 12-19-08
              • 2757

              #7
              Originally posted by stealthyburrito
              that the dumbest thing i've ever heard
              Might not be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it is right up there!

              Baseball's competitive balance can be fixed in 10 minutes with the right salary structure in place. But, of course, there are so many parties involved and they only have their selfish interests in mind.

              With the exception of providing a great avenue for making money, MLB just serves no other useful purpose to me.
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              • Willie Bee
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-14-06
                • 15726

                #8
                Originally posted by Beastxxx
                I like the idea myself would be great to see other teams contend in the same division against the super powers such as the yanks and red sox.
                So then you're ok with moving any other team around in divisions, but not the Red Sox or Yankees?
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                • whatsgood5
                  Restricted User
                  • 10-13-09
                  • 15359

                  #9
                  Interesting idea, but also an awful idea. I'd hate to see teams switched in to different divisions leaving the same division as their rivals. Just an all around bad idea IMO.
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                  • Irish Lumberjack
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-04-07
                    • 2086

                    #10
                    Wow that sounds like a really bad idea, Bud you messed the game up enough, just retire
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                    • EXhoosier10
                      SBR MVP
                      • 07-06-09
                      • 3122

                      #11
                      Trying to leave a legacy to cover up for the All-star game mistake.

                      I think there definitely has to be some boundaries put on this (more so than just the timezones) and not just free reign to go to whichever division you'd like. I think the big clubs would still want to be with other big clubs (more games against top opponents draws more fans, as opposed to winning against the nationals and pirates and drawing 2/3 full stadiums), yet at the same time, consistently playing top teams would mean a lower win% and less chance at playoffs which means less $$.

                      I really don't know how they could pull this off to be honest. Majority vote to approve moves would never work (do trades in Fantasy baseball ever not get vetoed?), and there would be tons of resentment towards the commissioner (if it's Selig, he deserves it) if he were the one making the decisions.

                      Quite the interesting topic, but I think the floating realignment would be tough to implement. I wouldn't mind moving the brewers outa the NL central. With Braun, Fielder, Gallardo, Gamel, Escobar and soon Brett Lawrie, they will have a nice core of talent in the field and can cause some problems to the Cubbies if they somehow manage to get some young talent for their aging stars and stay competitive.
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                      • Willie Bee
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-14-06
                        • 15726

                        #12
                        Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                        Trying to leave a legacy to cover up for the All-star game mistake.
                        If that's what is driving Bud Selig's decision-making process, then he's got to be an incredibly insecure person. And anyone who blames Bud for the tie in the '02 game can't see the forest for the trees. Thinking he had to make up for that with the decision to give home-field to the winning league, yeah, that was a mistake. The tie never bothered me since it was a FCUKIN' EXHIBITION GAME! How many fans go nutso when Spring Training games are suspended after 10-11 innings?

                        An ever-changing alignment of the divisions would be ridiculous and the only reason I can think of that MLB brass believes it to be a good idea is so they can further skew the regular season schedules and do their best to guarantee the New York's, Chicago's and LA's an advantage getting to the postseason.
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                        • pavyracer
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-12-07
                          • 82830

                          #13
                          I thought it was April's Fools when I read it. A better idea would be to not have any divisions at all and the ones with better records go to playoffs. Each team plays all others equal amount of games at home and on the road. They use this format in soccer.
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                          • nbt3428
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 01-13-10
                            • 366

                            #14
                            Great idea in theory but just will not work out...it would piss off so many people it wouldn't even get voted on.
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                            • bruceBRUCEbruce
                              SBR MVP
                              • 06-20-09
                              • 2560

                              #15
                              baseball needs relegation. I used to be an avid fan, years ago, but with so many other options out there, the sport just bores me to tears these days and has so for years now.

                              send down one team a season.
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                              • mtneer1212
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-22-08
                                • 4993

                                #16
                                Baseball needs contraction and a salary floor. Remove 2 teams (Tampa Bay and/or Florida, maybe Padres or Astros), and mandate that a team must spend at least $55 million on their roster over a 5 year period or they must pay a luxury tax. The problem isn't so much the Red Sox and Yankees extra money, it is the small-revenue teams making a profit from luxury taxes by not spending.
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                                • Jasonal_98
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-16-09
                                  • 1443

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                  David Schoenfield at ESPN had a similar article about this a month or so ago, so if anything it shows you how slow Tom Verducci at SI can be. The idea is so crazy that at first I can't believe anyone is serious about it, and then I remember that we're talking about the baseball owners.

                                  Note the "no sacred cows" bit. Someone ask the committee and/or Selig if there is any possible way the Red Sox and Yankees would ever be split up and not in the same division. Then vome talk to me about sacred cows.

                                  I am in favor of realignment (to six, five-team divisions) and an overhaul to the schedule (getting rid of the fcuked-up interleague rivals crap). I'd move Houston to the AL West, either them or Kansas City (with Milwaukee going to AL Central in that case). I really don't want my Asotrs to become an AL club, but it makes the most sense geographically. The Rangers get screwed year-in, year-out on the present alignment. Can you imagine the Yankees being in a division with tams all two time zones away? (LINK)
                                  I've been screaming that realignment needs to happen for years. There cannot be competitive balance when one division (NL Central) has 6 teams and another (AL West) has 4. 16 NL teams and 14 AL teams makes no sense. I actually think the Astros would be the logical club to switch. It would balance things out very well.
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                                  • pavyracer
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 04-12-07
                                    • 82830

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Jasonal_98
                                    I've been screaming that realignment needs to happen for years. There cannot be competitive balance when one division (NL Central) has 6 teams and another (AL West) has 4. 16 NL teams and 14 AL teams makes no sense. I actually think the Astros would be the logical club to switch. It would balance things out very well.
                                    I think a better choice will be to switch Rockies to AL West and replace them with Astros on NL West so you won't have both teams from Texas in the same league which promotes game fixing.
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                                    • Jasonal_98
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 06-16-09
                                      • 1443

                                      #19
                                      Pavy,

                                      That actually makes a lot of sense. Agree with you on this one.
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                                      • pavyracer
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 04-12-07
                                        • 82830

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Jasonal_98
                                        Pavy,

                                        That actually makes a lot of sense. Agree with you on this one.
                                        If this happens then the totals on Coors Field will be 12-13 when the Rockies play the Rangers.
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                                        • Jericholic
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-15-10
                                          • 3099

                                          #21
                                          I don't think that this will fix the problem that the Yankees and Red Sox almost always make the playoffs. If anything it makes it easier. Using the example from the article, the AL East under this plan could look something like this:
                                          Red Sox
                                          Yankees
                                          Orioles
                                          Royals
                                          Indians
                                          With almost 1/3 of their games against those 3 teams, or caliber of teams, how would the Red Sox and Yankees not go the playoffs every year?
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                                          • Andy117
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 02-07-10
                                            • 9511

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by pavyracer
                                            I think a better choice will be to switch Rockies to AL West and replace them with Astros on NL West so you won't have both teams from Texas in the same league which promotes game fixing.
                                            Why would that happen? There's two teams from PA in the same league.
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                                            • pavyracer
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 04-12-07
                                              • 82830

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Andy117
                                              Why would that happen? There's two teams from PA in the same league.
                                              They don't play in the same division. What I meant to say was same division because they play a ton of games every year against each other.
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                                              • daneblazer
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 09-14-08
                                                • 27861

                                                #24
                                                After thinking it over, it's not as bad of an idea as everyone is making it out to be. The one thing it could promote though is tanking. Why wouldn't Toronto or Baltimore tank games to get out of the AL East?
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                                                • Flying Dutchman
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-17-09
                                                  • 2467

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                  I think a better choice will be to switch Rockies to AL West and replace them with Astros on NL West so you won't have both teams from Texas in the same league which promotes game fixing.

                                                  Yeah, like we have between the Bungholes and Brownies in the NFL...

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                                                  • pavyracer
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 04-12-07
                                                    • 82830

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Flying Dutchman
                                                    Yeah, like we have between the Bungholes and Brownies in the NFL...
                                                    It's not the same in NFL. They only play twice. In MLB division teams play each other 20-25 times a year.
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                                                    • callim105
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 03-08-10
                                                      • 23

                                                      #27
                                                      yep yep
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                                                      • Stealinhome
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 10-23-09
                                                        • 977

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                        I thought it was April's Fools when I read it. A better idea would be to not have any divisions at all and the ones with better records go to playoffs. Each team plays all others equal amount of games at home and on the road. They use this format in soccer.

                                                        This is what I have said for years about MLB and NBA the divison systems are out dated.
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                                                        • Andy117
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 02-07-10
                                                          • 9511

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pavyracer
                                                          It's not the same in NFL. They only play twice. In MLB division teams play each other 20-25 times a year.
                                                          It's 18 btw.
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                                                          • FrozenMAN
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-23-09
                                                            • 4334

                                                            #30
                                                            that is the ****in dumbest thing ever
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                                                            • Metalhead
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 07-14-09
                                                              • 719

                                                              #31
                                                              They don't need to realign the divisions. All they need to do is add 2 more wild card teams to each league. You'd have a total of 6 teams from each league making the playoffs, with 3 of them being wild card teams that could possibly all come from the same division. The first round of the playoffs would be a best 3 outta 5, with the top two teams in each league receiving a bye.
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                                                              • Willie Bee
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 02-14-06
                                                                • 15726

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Andy117
                                                                It's 18 btw.
                                                                Well, for four of the six divisions it's 18. It's 19 in the AL West, and anywhere from 15-18 in the NL Central. Until the asshats that are in charge of the scheduling can level that out, I sure as hell don't want the Chief Asshat realigning the divisions and screwing things up even more.
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                                                                • pavyracer
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 04-12-07
                                                                  • 82830

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Andy117
                                                                  It's 18 btw.
                                                                  I was just guesstimating. But I was in the right ballbark I think.
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                                                                  • Regul8er
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 11-06-07
                                                                    • 10666

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Stupid idea. How bout just a salary cap??

                                                                    For obvious reasons, MLB or any existing pro league can't go this format, but how cool would relegation be like they do in England for soccer?
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                                                                    • stealthyburrito
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 05-12-09
                                                                      • 21562

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Regul8er
                                                                      Stupid idea. How bout just a salary cap??

                                                                      For obvious reasons, MLB or any existing pro league can't go this format, but how cool would relegation be like they do in England for soccer?
                                                                      luxury tax is kind of a cap in some ways, yet we'vs seen teams (see: yankees) that could care less about that threshold

                                                                      the soccer thing, are you referring to a multi-tiered league?
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