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  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #1
    Yanks Will Not Win 85 Games
    -120
  • gridironguy
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 04-17-07
    • 575

    #2
    I agree, JJ.

    No pitching = No chance
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    • LargeMouthBass
      Restricted User
      • 03-18-07
      • 1095

      #3
      No pitching + Great offense = Maybe
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      • Willie Bee
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        • 02-14-06
        • 15726

        #4
        Through Apr 23, 2006, the Yankees were 9-8. Fast forward to end of season, 97 wins.

        Through Apr 23, 2005, New York was 7-11, slumping all the way to 11-19 through action on May 6. Jump ahead to the end of the regular season, 95 wins.

        Is that -120 on the under, over or both, JJ?
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        • bigboydan
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-10-05
          • 55420

          #5
          I think they will go over that 85 over/under mark coach. They should get some key players back with in the next few weeks.
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          • onlooker
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            • 08-10-05
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            #6
            I say they win 89. Not 90, but above your total.

            Its going to be hard for them to out hit the other team day in and day out. Because their pitching will keep the other teams in the game most of the time.
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            • Razz
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              • 08-22-05
              • 5632

              #7
              God, everyone is so worried about their pitching. Well shit, they're throwing out minor leaguers every other day. When it's summer and their rotation is Clemens, Wang, Mussina, Pettite, and Igawa, I don't think that will be much of an issue.
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              • onlooker
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                • 08-10-05
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                #8
                Pettite
                Igawa

                Can Mussina stay healthy?

                Clemens is not inked yet.
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                • Razz
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                  • 08-22-05
                  • 5632

                  #9
                  Originally posted by onlòóker
                  Pettite
                  Are you stupid or do you just not know anything about baseball? Pettite is 1-0, should be 3-0, but Mo has blown two saves for him. Pettite has a 1.78 ERA, which is 4th in the AL. He walks almost no one, and he wins basically 2 out of 3 decisions. In his career, he's won 12, 21, 18, 16, 14, 19, 15, 13 (injury, only 22 starts), 21, 6 (injury, only 15 starts), 17, and 14 games. Last five seasons, his ERA was 3.28, 4.02, 3.90, 2.39, 4.20, and the current 1.78. Name another 4th starter with anywhere near those numbers. Not to mention the fact that he's one of the most successful postseason pitchers of all-time.
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                  • Razz
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                    • 08-22-05
                    • 5632

                    #10
                    Originally posted by onlòóker
                    Igawa
                    His WHIP is fine. The ERA is awful, but that will lower once he becomes accustomed to US hitters. The Twins/Red Sox/Mets would take him as their 5th starter in a heartbeat.
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                    • Razz
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                      • 08-22-05
                      • 5632

                      #11
                      Originally posted by onlòóker
                      Can Mussina stay healthy?
                      He's started at least 27 games the last 12 seasons. If anything, missing these irrelevant games will be good for him come postseason.
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                      • Razz
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-22-05
                        • 5632

                        #12
                        Originally posted by onlòóker
                        Clemens is not inked yet.
                        Are you sure about that? I've never been more certain of anything in my life than the fact that Clemens will be a Yankee in two months.
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                        • onlooker
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                          • 08-10-05
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Razz
                          Are you stupid or do you just not know anything about baseball? Pettite is 1-0, should be 3-0, but Mo has blown two saves for him. Pettite has a 1.78 ERA, which is 4th in the AL. He walks almost no one, and he wins basically 2 out of 3 decisions. In his career, he's won 12, 21, 18, 16, 14, 19, 15, 13 (injury, only 22 starts), 21, 6 (injury, only 15 starts), 17, and 14 games. Last five seasons, his ERA was 3.28, 4.02, 3.90, 2.39, 4.20, and the current 1.78. Name another 4th starter with anywhere near those numbers. Not to mention the fact that he's one of the most successful postseason pitchers of all-time.
                          I guess Im stupid. But he always seems to blow it, well maybe thats just when I bet against him.
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                          • bigboydan
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                            • 08-10-05
                            • 55420

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Razz
                            Pettite is 1-0, should be 3-0, but Mo has blown two saves for him.
                            Forget the stats for now, because there good for agents manipulating the GM's during a players contract year.

                            Lets look inside the numbers here. How many of those no decisions he got this year cost Yankees backers a lot of money? He might be pitching pretty damn good right now, but do you honestly think he's going to keep up that pace over the entire season? I for one will say he won't.
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                            • Razz
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                              • 08-22-05
                              • 5632

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bigboydan
                              Lets look inside the numbers here. How many of those no decisions he got this year cost Yankees backers a lot of money? He might be pitching pretty damn good right now, but do you honestly think he's going to keep up that pace over the entire season? I for one will say he won't.
                              Why did you say "Let's look inside the numbers," and then not post any numbers? Anyway, to your other point, no of course he won't end the year with a 1.78 ERA. No one will. But if he gets 30-35 starts, 15-20 wins (with that lineup, I'd say closer to 20) with a 3.2-3.5 ERA is about what I'd expect. That's much, much better than 90% of the other #3 or 4 starters are going to put up.
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                              • bigboydan
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                                • 08-10-05
                                • 55420

                                #16
                                The Yankees are 1 and 4 in his last 4 starts. Just how many of those games do you think he was the chalk? The only time he was a dog in those 5 starts was when he faces Harden in Oakland, and that game was virtually a pick'um game.
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                                • rjt721
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                                  • 02-06-07
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Razz
                                  His WHIP is fine. The ERA is awful, but that will lower once he becomes accustomed to US hitters. The Twins/Red Sox/Mets would take him as their 5th starter in a heartbeat.
                                  No thanks bro. I'll take Jon Lester, who will be back within the next two weeks, over Igawa as a 5th starter any day. Igawa is garbage. He should have the advantage right now over hitters that haven't seen him before, not the other way around.
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                                  • onlooker
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                                    • 08-10-05
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rjt721
                                    Igawa is garbage. He should have the advantage right now over hitters that haven't seen him before, not the other way around.
                                    Just like Dice (so far, just no run support), Nomo, and other foreign pitchers that had success. They go to sheit once the hitters catch on to their style. Maybe Igawa is different.

                                    You hit it on the head Razz, Andy will only win the majority of his game because of that lineup the Yankees put out. He will have a ERA in the high 3's if not low 4's. He always seems to give up those 3 to 4 run innings that gets him yanked.
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                                    • jjgold
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                                      • 07-20-05
                                      • 388179

                                      #19
                                      Petite is done, Mussina is done

                                      -120 either way
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                                      • Willie Bee
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-14-06
                                        • 15726

                                        #20
                                        So since you're saying they wont get to 85, the line being set is 84½, right JJ?
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                                        • chano
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 07-02-06
                                          • 602

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          Petite is done, Mussina is done

                                          -120 either way
                                          Can I make a bet ?
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
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                                            #22
                                            Chano how much and on what side?
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                                            • chano
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                                              • 07-02-06
                                              • 602

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                              Chano how much and on what side?
                                              What limit do I have ?
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Chano I am broke basically so bet has to be small but I need to know your selection 1st before a limit is made.
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                                                • chano
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                                                  • 07-02-06
                                                  • 602

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                  Chano I am broke basically so bet has to be small but I need to know your selection 1st before a limit is made.
                                                  Just kidding Pal,

                                                  I would bet on "OVER". Yankees traditionally start slow, but end up in the 90+ wins. Although, I do not think they are the team they are made out to be. I still think they win more than 85.
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                                                  • tacomax
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 9619

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Razz
                                                    When it's summer and their rotation is Clemens, Wang, Mussina, Pettite, and Igawa, I don't think that will be much of an issue.
                                                    Well Wang made a cracking start. And just to add:

                                                    Igawa
                                                    Originally posted by pags11
                                                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                    Originally posted by curious
                                                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                    • Razz
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                                                      • 08-22-05
                                                      • 5632

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by tacomax
                                                      And just to add:

                                                      Igawa
                                                      You're right, he's certainly no Julian Tavarez.
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        My max bet is $100
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                                                        • gridironguy
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 04-17-07
                                                          • 575

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                                          My max bet is $100
                                                          Which thread was this meant for, JJ?

                                                          Re: the Yankees. People like myself doubt them every year and all they do is come back and win the pennant every freaking year.

                                                          I'll bet that when Sept rolls around, and they've been healthy since June, they'll be there right in the thick of things once again.
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                                                          • tacomax
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 08-10-05
                                                            • 9619

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Razz
                                                            You're right, he's certainly no Julian Tavarez.
                                                            Indeed, Tavarez isn't a starter. Never said he was.

                                                            But you said Igawa was.
                                                            Originally posted by pags11
                                                            SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                            Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                            I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                            Originally posted by curious
                                                            taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                            • Razz
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 08-22-05
                                                              • 5632

                                                              #31
                                                              He's a 5th starter, and I think he will turn into a pretty good one. He's been very good in two starts and very bad in two starts. So has Curt Schilling. I think that laughing at him for his first month of pitching is a bit premature.
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                                                              • tacomax
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 08-10-05
                                                                • 9619

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Razz
                                                                He's been very good in two starts and very bad in two starts.
                                                                Very good in two starts? Which ones were those? He has been killed against the Devil Rays and the Orioles - I'm sure you'll admit these are not the best teams in MLB. He also had a 3.375 ERA against the Athletics and 3.30 ERA against the Indians. Those are neither the best two teams either.

                                                                Please tell me which one was the good start. I'm not talking an average start, I'm not talking a slightly better than average start - I'm talking about a good start.

                                                                I'll give you a hint - Schilling has had two very good starts (1.29 ERA against the Rangers and 0.00 ERA against the Angels). Take it from there, please.
                                                                Last edited by tacomax; 04-25-07, 02:03 AM.
                                                                Originally posted by pags11
                                                                SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                                Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                                I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                                Originally posted by curious
                                                                taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                                • Razz
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 08-22-05
                                                                  • 5632

                                                                  #33
                                                                  6.0 IP, 5 hits, 1 BB, 5 K, 2 runs against a top-3 Indians offense.
                                                                  5.1 IP, 3 hits, 2 BB, 3 K, 2 earned runs at Oakland.

                                                                  Both are good starts, and both are very good starts for a #5 starter.
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                                                                  • tacomax
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 08-10-05
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    That's fine - it depends on what you call a good start for a pitcher. It's just that I don't class a 3.375 ERA and a 3.30 ERA as a "good start". I'd call that an average start for a pitcher. I might call it a slightly better than average start for a #5 pitcher. But I wouldn't call it a "good start".
                                                                    Originally posted by pags11
                                                                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                                    Originally posted by curious
                                                                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                                    • rjt721
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 02-06-07
                                                                      • 7929

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Even for a #5 starter, 2/4 "good" starts isn't enough, especially when he has gotten absolutely hammered in those other 2 starts.
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