By far......... the stupidest play in baseball...

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  • Nicky Santoro
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-08-08
    • 16103

    #1
    By far......... the stupidest play in baseball...
    You are down 1 run.. you get a leadoff double.. now you bunt him to 3rd.. this is so dumb.. here is why..

    first of all, if the bunt is not perfect, the runner will be easily thrown out at 3rd and now you got a guy on 1st, and 1 out.. the bunt has to be perfect or you are dead.. also, batter pops it up and is out a lot.. but so many times, runner is thrown out at 3rd and your threat is over..(unless the bunt is perfect, which is not so easy to do)

    Now even if the runner advances to 3rd.. IF you strike out, or pop out OR hit a sharp grounder with the infield in, you are fukked.. so instead of bunting it, wouldn't you prefer your team to have 3 cracks at singling him home? 3 fukkin cracks???... it's too risky having a guy at 3rd and 1 out.. cause if you don't hit it to the outfield, you are just about dead..

    i hate it. i think it's the stupidest play in baseball, and i am sure mathematically, it's a shit play, as opposed to 3 chances at a base hit.. I think you are wasting a fukkin out and even if you are playing for the win and not the tie, it's still a dumb play..

    but managers continue to do this.. Do you boys agree with me, or do you like the bunt to 3rd?
  • Fischnasty
    SBR MVP
    • 02-10-09
    • 1931

    #2
    completely depends on the lineup and inning
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    • BeatTheJerk
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      • 08-19-07
      • 31794

      #3
      Sorry Nicky you didn't make it pal ..................
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      • Fischnasty
        SBR MVP
        • 02-10-09
        • 1931

        #4
        and the runner/batter for that matter
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        • Dank_Fire
          SBR MVP
          • 05-13-09
          • 2269

          #5
          Yea, that ****ing sucks.
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          • AMBlai01
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-16-08
            • 5882

            #6
            The percentages say you get him over to 3rd and then they say with a runner on 3rd with 1 out you get him home ALOT more often than being on 2nd with 0 outs...I like it....makes sense..and I am an AMerican League guy
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            • lakerboy
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 04-02-09
              • 94379

              #7
              come on nicky if you bunt and he gets to third he can score on a wild pitch or passed ball or sac fly or single or double or homer or ..............
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              • pavyracer
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 04-12-07
                • 82813

                #8
                If you don't bunt you will most likely strike out or fly out if you are a bad hitter. Unless you fly out in the corner of the right field you will not advance the runner at second.
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                • InTheHole
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-28-08
                  • 15243

                  #9
                  Canadian Logic....you failed like the Expos


                  Runner fake bunt...third baseman moves up the field....either gets a line drive in his face; guy steals third; gets a hit; or if he is going for the bunt no one is covering third either way
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                  • Dbldown11
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-17-06
                    • 3605

                    #10
                    Nicky.....it does not have to be a perfect bunt by any means.


                    The worst play is when it's a tie game or one run game late in the game and a team gets leadoff man on then wastes an out bunting the guy to second....I see that used a lot. And that is WAAAAAY worse
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                    • Nicky Santoro
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-08-08
                      • 16103

                      #11
                      and it's no gimme that the sac will be successful.. how many times do you see the bunt is a bit hard and the 1B tosses it to 3rd and he's a dead duck? now man on 1st, 1 out.. your inning is dead.. you just lost.

                      placing a perfect soft bunt is not as easy to do as you think.. it has to be perfect, and even if it is, i still think it's not that easy to score him with the infield in..

                      gimme 3 cracks at base hit anyday.. i like my chances better.

                      i swear, this is the dumbest play in baseball..
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                      • MonkeyF0cker
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 06-12-07
                        • 12144

                        #12
                        It takes at least a base hit to score from second. Many ground balls will score a run from third along with any ball to the outfield.
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                        • Fiasco
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-02-08
                          • 2406

                          #13
                          this example just took place in the virginia game...

                          they failed to get him to 3rd....
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                          • reno cool
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-02-08
                            • 3567

                            #14
                            It's a better play than bunting a guy to 2nd. You're screwing yourself out of a possible big inning and still will need a hit to score. If it's tied late, guess it's ok.
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                            • tacomax
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                              • 08-10-05
                              • 9619

                              #15
                              This is possibly by far......... the stupidest post by Nicky...
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                              • DrStale
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 12-07-08
                                • 9692

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fiasco
                                this example just took place in the virginia game...

                                they failed to get him to 3rd....

                                Not the same thing, in the Virginia game the hitter tried to check his swing and made contact, the runner was not prepared and kind of got stuck, had the runner been preparing for a bunt he likely would have made 3rd.

                                I dont see how the bunt has to be perfect. If the bunt is perfect then they'll probly end up with runners at the corners and no one out, If the bunt is average or better the runner will usually make 3rd because hes running on the contact. I dont know what games youre watching where the guy at 3rd gets thrown out all the time but it definitely happens less often then him making 3rd base.

                                Also, runner on 2nd is definitely not a lock to score on a base hit, especially with less than 2 outs. Like someone said its completely dependant on the hitters/runners involved and the inning, but calling it the dumbest play in baseball is just, well, dumb
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                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-12-07
                                  • 12144

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by reno cool
                                  It's a better play than bunting a guy to 2nd. You're screwing yourself out of a possible big inning and still will need a hit to score. If it's tied late, guess it's ok.
                                  That takes away the double play as well though...
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                                  • Fiasco
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-02-08
                                    • 2406

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DrStale
                                    Not the same thing, in the Virginia game the hitter tried to check his swing and made contact, the runner was not prepared and kind of got stuck, had the runner been preparing for a bunt he likely would have made 3rd.

                                    I dont see how the bunt has to be perfect. If the bunt is perfect then they'll probly end up with runners at the corners and no one out, If the bunt is average or better the runner will usually make 3rd because hes running on the contact. I dont know what games youre watching where the guy at 3rd gets thrown out all the time but it definitely happens less often then him making 3rd base.

                                    Also, runner on 2nd is definitely not a lock to score on a base hit, especially with less than 2 outs. Like someone said its completely dependant on the hitters/runners involved and the inning, but calling it the dumbest play in baseball is just, well, dumb
                                    I see what you're saying but that dude on 2nd was clueless... I don't know the batters intentions or what the call was (coulda been a little drag bunt type play) but that basehit up the middle where the runner didn't leave until it got through the whole told me the guy on 2nd had no clue...

                                    and bunting to 2nd is understandable in certain situations (as is a bunt to 3rd)

                                    baseballs hard to generalize
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                                    • Nicky Santoro
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 04-08-08
                                      • 16103

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DrStale

                                      I dont see how the bunt has to be perfect. If the bunt is perfect then they'll probly end up with runners at the corners and no one out,
                                      not true.. both the 3B and 1B are both playing in.. so it's tough to do that.. IF batter bunts it just a tad too hard and right at him, guess what?? He will be gunned down easily at 3rd and now what?? runner on 1st, 1 out and you just lost the game. and this happens so often..

                                      i never liked that bunt to 3rd ever. i hate wasting that out cause you know the next hitter will pop it up to short left and you will be now facing a 2 out, runner on 3rd with the infield back..

                                      good luck now.. you will need it..
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                                      • yisman
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 09-01-08
                                        • 75682

                                        #20
                                        In most situations, I agree. Bunting does not make sense with a runner on second, unless the hitter has a good chance of beating it out.
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                                        • Fiasco
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-02-08
                                          • 2406

                                          #21
                                          They're trying this again in the virginia game...

                                          this time there is no doubt of the intentions
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                                          • MrMonkey
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-09-08
                                            • 2278

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tacomax
                                            This is possibly by far......... the stupidest post by Nicky...
                                            As much respect as I have for Nicky, I thought the same thing! First off, if it's a regular batter (not pitcher, who would get pinched hit for anyway) it's not even a given he will show bunt until the very last second, so fielders will not be able to creep up as fast! How many more possibilities of scoring from 3rd than 2nd without getting a hit!

                                            Nicky's mind probably has recall how many times the Expos ***ked the bunt attempt up, that he figures it is the norm for every team! Also spending that much time tutoring OTW could also be a burden! Nicky, it's June my friend, brain freeze should not happen in Oh Canada this time of year!

                                            MrMonkey
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                                            • Nicky Santoro
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-08-08
                                              • 16103

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by MrMonkey
                                              As much respect as I have for Nicky, I thought the same thing! First off, if it's a regular batter (not pitcher, who would get pinched hit for anyway) it's not even a given he will show bunt until the very last second, so fielders will not be able to creep up as fast! How many more possibilities of scoring from 3rd than 2nd without getting a hit!

                                              Nicky's mind probably has recall how many times the Expos ***ked the bunt attempt up, that he figures it is the norm for every team! Also spending that much time tutoring OTW could also be a burden! Nicky, it's June my friend, brain freeze should not happen in Oh Canada this time of year!

                                              MrMonkey
                                              hey monkey, stop being a wiseguy here.. you're lucky i like you, so i won't tell you off for bad mouthing me and my expos.. you're lucky you're Mr Monkey and not Monkeyfukker or else i wouldn't be so nice.

                                              monkey, you can't say i'm wrong here. if only you knew how often it happens where your leadoff double is now out at 3rd cause bunt was hard and now you have man on 1st and 1 out.. you like this? wouldn't you prefer man on 2nd, 0 outs and 3 chances to score him?..

                                              of course you would,monkey boy.. you know you would... you know i'm right..
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                                              • Willie Bee
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 02-14-06
                                                • 15726

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Fischnasty
                                                completely depends on the lineup and inning
                                                Exactly.

                                                Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                                                first of all, if the bunt is not perfect, the runner will be easily thrown out at 3rd and now you got a guy on 1st, and 1 out.. the bunt has to be perfect or you are dead.. also, batter pops it up and is out a lot.. but so many times, runner is thrown out at 3rd and your threat is over..(unless the bunt is perfect, which is not so easy to do)
                                                I'd love to see the frequencies you used to come up with "pops it up...a lot" and "many times, runner is thrown out at third."
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                                                • jellobiafra
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 03-08-09
                                                  • 6291

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Willie Bee

                                                  I'd love to see the frequencies you used to come up with "pops it up...a lot" and "many times, runner is thrown out at third."
                                                  I'm sure he's done the research here Willie. You're not seriously questioning Nicky on a number are you? He's a professional gambler.

                                                  Nicky, stick to chasing steam. I totally get now why you don't believe in handicapping. You really need to understand the sports you are trying to handicap to have any success in the long run.
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                                                  • Willie Bee
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 02-14-06
                                                    • 15726

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jellobiafra
                                                    You're not seriously questioning Nicky on a number are you?
                                                    No, just trying to determine his definitions for "a lot" and "many times." It's taken me a long time to get certain definitions for words/phrases my wife uses. For example:
                                                    • When my wife says, "You do that all the time," I have to divide all the time by five meaning that I occasionally do that.
                                                    • When Queen Bee says, "You never rinse the sink out after you shave," the math involved is a bit more complicated since multiplying zero by anything is still zero. In this case, it means that one day out of six, I forget to rinse the whiskers from the basin.
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                                                    • Nicky Santoro
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 04-08-08
                                                      • 16103

                                                      #27
                                                      jello, i am not a professional gambler.. you are mistaking me for brock landers. he's the professional gambler..

                                                      wilbert, i was watching the dodger game yesterday night, and furcal was at 1st with none out and down 5-4, bot 9....he stole 2nd on 1st pitch, had it stolen easily.. it was a foul ball.. he didn't attempt again.. then batter tries to bunt him to 2nd, and guess what?? he popped it right to the pithcher what a wasted out.. first of all, i didn't even like that move.. let him steal 2nd.. they weren't even holding the runner..
                                                      but you see, bunt pop outs happen alot and runners being thrown out at 3rd are sooooooooooooo common..
                                                      wilbert, you never gave us your opinion.. you're a baseball guy.. tell me, do you love the move to bunt him to 3rd, or do you prefer the 3 chances at scoring him from 2nd, if you are down 3-2, bot 9.. and playing for the tie..which is what managers do all the time.. don't you prefer my method..
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                                                      • jellobiafra
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 03-08-09
                                                        • 6291

                                                        #28
                                                        I got you Willie.

                                                        Besides, it was sarcasm. Of course he hasn't done any research on it. To top that, he assumes that MLB organizations haven't done any research either when he states, "...and i am sure mathematically, it's a shit play..". So, yeah if Nicky says it's a bad play then it's a bad play because Nicky knows everything and everybody else is a moron. Nicky knows baseball better than baseball organizations themselves. He knows the success rate of bunting a runner over to third as opposed to swinging away, without even having to apply mathematics or research. He's that good. He can just sniff it out. Baseball managers are all idiots and Nicky knows more about baseball strategy than any of them.

                                                        Nicky, is that about right?
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                                                        • Willie Bee
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 02-14-06
                                                          • 15726

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Nicky Santoro
                                                          wilbert, you never gave us your opinion.. you're a baseball guy.. tell me, do you love the move to bunt him to 3rd, or do you prefer the 3 chances at scoring him from 2nd, if you are down 3-2, bot 9.. and playing for the tie..which is what managers do all the time.. don't you prefer my method..
                                                          I agreed with fisch on the situation/inning/pitcher. If there are no outs, runner on second, playing at home and down by a run, if the batter was someone I could have some confidence in getting the bunt down, yeah, I could see that. If it's a guy who doesn't bunt well, maybe a lefty swinger who could hit a deep fly to right and possibly advance the runner that way, then no.
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                                                          • Willie Bee
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 02-14-06
                                                            • 15726

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by jellobiafra
                                                            I got you Willie. Besides, it was sarcasm.
                                                            Same here, just sarcasm with regards to my wife (you know, in case this is one of those rare times she pops in and actually reads a thread or two ).
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                                                            • MrMonkey
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-09-08
                                                              • 2278

                                                              #31
                                                              Nicky, inbetween my wise crap, main point is I believe more times than not the sac. bunt is successful! Not an advocate of bunting all the time (agree with WB and Jello) Say my team, Utley, Howard, Ubanez, no way bunt or an average left bat might get them over anyway! Surmised you were talking about the 8th or 9th inning?

                                                              IMO more times a runner is stranded at 3rd with one out than your sac. bunt play is unsuccessful! WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THE %S ON THESE ISSUES? If you were Walter Alston and Koufax and Drysdale were on the mound he probably was bunting 0-0 in the first inn. with Maury Wills on base! Agree, so many variables involved!
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