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  • Panekkkk
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    • 03-12-09
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    #1
    Bullpen Conversion System
    Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.


    Cajun Sports mentioned this system in their Rangers write-up today. I'm calling it the Bullpen Conversion System:

    "The Rangers are also active in a MLB System that tells us to play on MLB favorites of -110 or higher with a bullpen that converts on 75 percent or more of their save opportunities against an opponent with a starting pitcher whose ERA is 3.00 or better on the season. This system has a record of 79-37 over the last five seasons for 68.1 percent winners and a profit of +29.90 units."

    Anyone know anything about this system? Is it as simple as it's outlined???? I assume they mean -110 or lower (-110, -120, -130 etc.) which would make more sense considering that the opponents pitcher is to have an ERA <=3.00.

    29 units over 5 years is also not that impressive... But with that win % perhaps it would be better to play to win 1 unit as opposed to risking 1 unit (not sure how the system was played but using average odds its more profitable to play to win 1 unit). Regardless, if it performs as mentioned, it's just another background system to add some units to your bets :P
  • Panekkkk
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    • 03-12-09
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    #2
    Teams converting at 75% or Higher:

    TEX
    CIN
    BOS
    STL

    According to data from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...D_RUN_AVG.html

    Regardless, I guess I will start to track this as of today for fun if I can. Not sure yet if I will play these to make one unit or to risk one unit. Maybe I'll track both.

    Bullpen Conversion System (as of June 16, 2009)

    PICK:
    Texas -134
    Texas closers converting at 86%
    Opponent Pitcher: Wandy Rodriguez ERA <3.00 on the season
    No other games qualify.
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    • Panekkkk
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      #3
      I'm not sure how a system like this would handle April since it relies on seasonal ERA as well as (I'm guessing) seasonal bullpen conversions. Therefore, in coming years, I would probably start this in May only.
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      • Panekkkk
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        • 03-12-09
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        #4
        Originally posted by Panekkkk
        Teams converting at 75% or Higher:

        TEX
        CIN
        BOS
        STL

        According to data from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...D_RUN_AVG.html

        Regardless, I guess I will start to track this as of today for fun if I can. Not sure yet if I will play these to make one unit or to risk one unit. Maybe I'll track both.

        Bullpen Conversion System (as of June 16, 2009)

        PICK:
        Texas -134 WINNER
        Texas closers converting at 86%
        Opponent Pitcher: Wandy Rodriguez ERA <3.00 on the season
        No other games qualify.
        YTD 1-0 +1.00 units
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        • Panekkkk
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          #5
          Colorado didn't qualify yesterday (bullpen conversion of 71%); however, if we laxed the rules to bullpen conversion rate of 70%, this system would have reeled off another win. I won't officially count that, but I'll make note

          No games qualify today.
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          • Panekkkk
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            • 03-12-09
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            #6
            No picks last few days (picks are rare).
            Today one pick qualifies:

            BOS -123
            Bullpen conversion: 79%
            Jurjens <3.00 ERA on the season

            YTD: 1-0 +1.00 units
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            • Panekkkk
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              • 03-12-09
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              #7
              Originally posted by Panekkkk
              No picks last few days (picks are rare).
              Today one pick qualifies:

              BOS -123
              Bullpen conversion: 79% WIN
              Jurjens <3.00 ERA on the season
              YTD: 2-0 +2.00 units
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              • Panekkkk
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                • 03-12-09
                • 2430

                #8
                No picks last few days (picks are rare).
                Today, Boston does not technically qualify as its bullpen conversion has dropped below 75%. But as noted, will track any team above 70% just to see results but it will not factor into official count.

                BOS -116
                Bullpen conversion: 74%
                Jurjens <3.00 ERA on the season

                YTD: 2-0 +2.00 units
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                • Sawyer
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                  • 06-01-09
                  • 7761

                  #9
                  Looks interesting system..
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                  • Panekkkk
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                    • 03-12-09
                    • 2430

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Panekkkk
                    No picks last few days (picks are rare).
                    Today, Boston does not technically qualify as its bullpen conversion has dropped below 75%. But as noted, will track any team above 70% just to see results but it will not factor into official count.

                    BOS -116 WIN
                    Bullpen conversion: 74%
                    Jurjens <3.00 ERA on the season
                    YTD: 2-0 +2.00 units (using 75% or >; official system)
                    YTD: 4-0 +4.00 units (using 70% or >)
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                    • Panekkkk
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sawyer
                      Looks interesting system..
                      Yeah, it's nothing fantastic. Will probably get you at most 5 to 10 units a year but just something to keep in mind when betting
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                      • Bogart45
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                        • 11-21-08
                        • 379

                        #12
                        This is very interesting. Keep posting the picks as they come up.
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                        • Panekkkk
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bogart45
                          This is very interesting. Keep posting the picks as they come up.
                          I'll keep posting as plays come up. None for today.
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                          • jakeandba
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                            • 01-13-09
                            • 1033

                            #14
                            what is the particular sort by item that gives you the 70% or higher result?
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                            • Panekkkk
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jakeandba
                              what is the particular sort by item that gives you the 70% or higher result?
                              I just use data from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...D_RUN_AVG.html and put it into an excel sheet and add an extra column that calculates S/SO (saves/save opportunities). Then you can use the "Data" "Sort" option. Or just eyeball it.

                              As of today, 5 teams now 75% or higher bullpen conversion rates:

                              CIN
                              TEX
                              BOS
                              COL
                              STL

                              An additional 4 teams above 70% but <75%:

                              NYY
                              CWS
                              OAK
                              MIN

                              For anyone wondering, yesterday, I did not count the Angels/Rangers game because the Angels starter had a 3.00 ERA with only 2 starts. I will use at least 3 starts or probably 20 IP as a cut-off for the requirement of opposing pitcher seasonal ERA 3.00 or less.

                              Today:

                              No games qualify.
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                              • jakeandba
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                                • 01-13-09
                                • 1033

                                #16
                                ok let c if i can follow what you are saying....the tx rangers i got have a save to save opport of 81% when rounded up....21 saves to 26 SVO....now the tricky part..joe saunders has an season era of 3.66. the last three games have been:

                                june 24 ip 6 era 1
                                june 19 ip 6.1 era 4
                                june 13 ip 8.1 era 1

                                i understand that ur qualifier is 20 ip or 3 starts.

                                a: do you add up this era and divide by 3 or ? to get the resent era?

                                Next the line for the rangers was roughly -111. Sorry but my brain is the size of a dinosaur...what was I missing for the rangers not to be a play?
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                                • Panekkkk
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                                  • 03-12-09
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                                  #17
                                  Today's plays:

                                  STL -147
                                  Bullpen conversion > 75%
                                  Matt Cain <3.00 ERA

                                  YTD 2-0 +2.00 units (75% and up)
                                  YTD 4-0 +2.00 units (70%-75%
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                                  • Panekkkk
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jakeandba
                                    ok let c if i can follow what you are saying....the tx rangers i got have a save to save opport of 81% when rounded up....21 saves to 26 SVO....now the tricky part..joe saunders has an season era of 3.66. the last three games have been:

                                    june 24 ip 6 era 1
                                    june 19 ip 6.1 era 4
                                    june 13 ip 8.1 era 1

                                    i understand that ur qualifier is 20 ip or 3 starts.

                                    a: do you add up this era and divide by 3 or ? to get the resent era?

                                    Next the line for the rangers was roughly -111. Sorry but my brain is the size of a dinosaur...what was I missing for the rangers not to be a play?
                                    It just goes by seasonal ERA (their ERA over all of 2009). Saunders ERA was 3.66 going into yesterdays game therefore does not qualify.
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                                    • Panekkkk
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Panekkkk
                                      Today's plays:

                                      STL -147
                                      Bullpen conversion > 75%
                                      Matt Cain <3.00 ERA
                                      YTD 3-0 +3.00 units (75% and up; official system)
                                      YTD 5-0 +2.00 units (70%-75%)
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                                      • Panekkkk
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                                        • 03-12-09
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                                        #20
                                        Today's picks:

                                        BOS -116
                                        Bullpen conversion 74%
                                        Hernandez ERA <3.00

                                        (This is an unofficial pick, using conversion of 70% or higher. Official system is 75% or higher so tail with caution. Plus this system is due for a loss soon).

                                        YTD 3-0 +3.00 units (75% and up; official system)
                                        YTD 5-0 +5.00 units (70% and up)
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                                        • jakeandba
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                                          #21
                                          lets get this bro
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                                          • Panekkkk
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Panekkkk
                                            Today's picks:

                                            BOS -116 LOSS
                                            Bullpen conversion 74%
                                            Hernandez ERA <3.00

                                            (This is an unofficial pick, using conversion of 70% or higher. Official system is 75% or higher so tail with caution. Plus this system is due for a loss soon).

                                            YTD 3-0 +3.00 units (75% and up; official system)
                                            YTD 5-1 +3.84 units (70% and up)
                                            As stated, this system was due for a loss and thus I personally didn't make this play. No plays today.
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                                            • Panekkkk
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                                              #23
                                              No games qualify. I might drop the 70% and up unofficial system of it as 9 teams have conversion between 70 and 75%. Colorado would qualify today using 70% and up, although the line is very weak at -111 vs. Haren and would vary depending on the book and time. Since it's right around the cutoff I would likely exclude it.
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                                              • Panekkkk
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                                                #24
                                                Quite a few teams above 75% now:

                                                Cardinals
                                                Reds
                                                Rockies
                                                Yankees
                                                Rangers
                                                Red Sox

                                                I've been looking fairly consistently but may have missed a play over the last few days or so. Only rolling with the "official" 75% conversion and up.

                                                1 play today:

                                                NYY -140

                                                YTD 3-0 +3.00 units (75% and up; official system)
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                                                • Panekkkk
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Panekkkk
                                                  Quite a few teams above 75% now:

                                                  Cardinals
                                                  Reds
                                                  Rockies
                                                  Yankees
                                                  Rangers
                                                  Red Sox

                                                  I've been looking fairly consistently but may have missed a play over the last few days or so.

                                                  1 play today:

                                                  NYY -140
                                                  YTD 4-0 +4.00 units (75% and up; official system)
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                                                  • Panekkkk
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                                                    #26
                                                    1 play today:

                                                    BOS -165

                                                    YTD 4-0 +4.00 units (75% and up; official system)
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                                                    • peterpan19
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                                                      • 11-02-08
                                                      • 3377

                                                      #27
                                                      well nice system...but not a lot of plays...but GL today...
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                                                      • Panekkkk
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                                                        #28
                                                        Yeah, I may have missed a game or two cuz it gets so boring tracking nothing lol. Its' just a nice little background booster! I'm more about playing multiple proven systems, however small the daily returns, than capping plays anymore. Less stress, greater returns in the long-run.
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                                                        • Panekkkk
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Panekkkk
                                                          1 play today:

                                                          BOS -165
                                                          YTD 4-1 +2.35 units (75% and up; official system)

                                                          Due for a loss and it hit! Sox couldn't get the bats going at well. Kudos to Hunter for pitching a gem!
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                                                          • linglingfool
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                                                            • 06-10-09
                                                            • 326

                                                            #30
                                                            Hey Panek, quick question: I'm trying to learn SDQL, but the examples for starters are a bit lacking. Would you check for eligible matchups (ignoring the save % part) for this system with a query for "D and YTDSERA<=3 and date=today"?

                                                            Thanks!
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                                                            • Panekkkk
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • Panekkkk
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                                                                #32
                                                                Not sure exactly what you mean lingling? your query looks fine!?
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                                                                • linglingfool
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                                                                  • 06-10-09
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Panekkkk
                                                                  Not sure exactly what you mean lingling? your query looks fine!?
                                                                  I was just asking if that was the correct query to run for this system, and apparently it is. Thanks!
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                                                                  • Panekkkk
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ah I see ling. Yah I think that looks about right. I just check Yahoo's mlb schedule for starters under a 3.00 ERA takes about 10 seconds. Then I have to double check the bullpen conversion rates to see who's at 75% or up. I generally know which teams are up there and there aren't too many pitchers with < 3 ERA!
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                                                                    • linglingfool
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                                                                      • 06-10-09
                                                                      • 326

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Wouldn't the Tigers have been a play today under the system?
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