Toronto is fool's gold right now....they won't do anything in the post-season

[BigDofBA]

Don't get me wrong, I love watching them play but they don't have the pitching to win in the post-season.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Why do you guys think the Angels and Orioles got swept last year? Why do you people think the Giants have been so successful in the post-season?

What was the last team that actually slugged their way to a World Series win?

[R.P. McMurphy]

Yep and it's more about who gets hot at right time as we see most years. Jays might be blowing their wad early and looking great since trade deadline. Won't mean we won't see a 3-6 rough patch around corner or early exit in playoffs. Mlb a bit different animal than other sports.

[JameisBrady]

Jays will be a nonfactor in the playoffs and the royals will not win the AL pennant. Pick another team to bet on to win the AL. It doesn't even matter which one, the odds will be worth it

[Ratzz]

lol..

Toronto will do in Le Playoffs (Canada has two official languages)

..... what they are doing here.. now

[Covy]

Price and Stroman should be sufficient as 1-2 with Buehrle at 3.

Yes..Stroman

[KRIT]

Don't sleep on Estrada, he has been the x-factor to the Jays rotation. Personally, I'd love to see Toronto make a run in October.

[BigDofBA]

They're an exciting team.

I like Price obviously and Estrada is decent but after that they're screwed. That bullpen.....

You'll see.

[stevenash]

Blue Jays are not winning a pennant, ptiching and defense wins and Toronto does not have it.

[CDUBB_CW]

Starting pitching allowed 3 runs or less in past 16 games. What are you guys talking about????

[BigDofBA]

Starting pitching allowed 3 runs or less in past 16 games. What are you guys talking about????

They're on a hot streak right now and 16 games isn't a large sample size.

Over the course of the year their pitching is average at best.

Do you think their going to win the AL? I could be wrong but teams that rely on slugging haven't done well in the post-season recently.

[stevenash]

That bullpen.....

It's not so much the bullpen sucks, they don't, the kids have talent, but in October, when that bullpen gate opens in the eighth inning of a 2 -2 tied game with 1000 TV cameras all trained on the pitcher, and 50000 fans screaming at you in a win or go home type atmosphrere you have a tendency to choke up, October baseball ain't a Wednesday afternoon game in May with 16000 fans hanging out, October base ball is a whole different animal, you want a Wade Davis or a Mo Rivera, or any proven closer who has been there, do you really want some unproven arm in a bright lights, big city situation.

KC would run rough shod on Martin, KC has a three headed monster in the bullpen that can lock down that line up.
Toronto had better hit the ball over the fence, because anything hit in the outfiled will be caught by that trio, two gold glovers and the other one has all world gold glove skills.

KC is not an ideal matchup for Toronto in a seven game set, and I don't want to hear what Toronto did against KC in the reguar season, it's not relative come October.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

2013 Red Sox won the WS and did not have great pitching.

They won because they were the best hitting team in majors.

Top 10 in basically every single offensive category. Right around league average in pitching.

I think pitching and defensive focused teams have won more world series in the last decade or so but Offensive focused teams can still compete in the modern MLB.

[CDUBB_CW]

They're on a hot streak right now and 16 games isn't a large sample size.

Over the course of the year their pitching is average at best.

Do you think their going to win the AL? I could be wrong but teams that rely on slugging haven't done well in the post-season recently.

I don't know if they will win the AL, but they are better than a lot the teams. If you look at their losses, they're competitive in most games. Bullpen has definitely improved after the trade. Lets just see how the season plays out.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Toronto the same as that Boston team. Best offensive team and right around league average in pitching.

[dfish]

It's not so much the bullpen sucks, they don't, the kids have talent, but in October, when that bullpen gate opens in the eighth inning of a 2 -2 tied game with 1000 TV cameras all trained on the pitcher, and 50000 fans screaming at you in a win or go home type atmosphrere you have a tendency to choke up, October baseball ain't a Wednesday afternoon game in May with 16000 fans hanging out, October base ball is a whole different animal, you want a Wade Davis or a Mo Rivera, or any proven closer who has been there, do you really want some unproven arm in a bright lights, big city situation.

KC would run rough shod on Martin, KC has a three headed monster in the bullpen that can lock down that line up.
Toronto had better hit the ball over the fence, because anything hit in the outfiled will be caught by that trio, two gold glovers and the other one has all world gold glove skills.

KC is not an ideal matchup for Toronto in a seven game set, and I don't want to hear what Toronto did against KC in the reguar season, it's not relative come October.

Royals play smart baseball, get more two out run scoring hits than anyone. Will ride this train till the end.

[stevenash]

I could be wrong but teams that rely on slugging haven't done well in the post-season recently.

No, they do not.
Go back to the 1990 A's. Bash Brothers, Canseco and Big Mac, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Red Legs were +240 dogs, Cincy swept the almost 3 to 1 favorite A's right out of the WS.

Last year Giants only real power was Posey and he only hit 22 homers, Pence even though he hit 20 is not really considered a power hitter.

Sox before them, what power did they have? Papi and Napoli that's about it.

[stevenash]

Royals play smart baseball, get more two out run scoring hits than anyone. Will ride this train till the end.

Royals have all that team speed and they use it.
Guys like Dyson and Cain pound the ball in the dirt and say "here, field this, take your time and we'll beat it out for an infield hit, hurry up, just don't throw the ball away in haste" They play pressure ball, force teams to make mistakes with disruptive speed.

Now they have Medlen who is 100 percent, don't kid yourself, that's an important key to that pitching staff, kid has talent coming out of his ass, this is he's always had those arm problems, with Medlen 100 percent, they don't need to use a Danny Duffy.

[Ratzz]

Blue Jays are not winning a pennant, ptiching and defense wins and Toronto does not have it.

i GUARANTEE you the Blue Jays make the World Series (100%)

but only 99% sure that they win it all

[stevenash]

i GUARANTEE you the Blue Jays make the World Series (100%)

but only 99% sure that they win it all

You guarantee it?
Based on what?
Four power hitters, a questionable bull pen and a mediocre rotation at best.
No team speed and a servicable defense.

Angels and KC are more complete teams, and I don't hate on Toronto either, but all they have really are the power hitters at the top of the lineup and good pitching almost always beats good hitting, run into a hot pitching staff, see how fast Toronto goes down.

Like I said before, just look at what the Reds did to Oakland in 1990.
Four straight games in a sweep, they did it with good starting pitcher and those three Nasty Boys coming out of the 'pen.

[Ratzz]

You guarantee it?
Based on what?
Four power hitters, a questionable bull pen and a mediocre rotation at best.
No team speed and a servicable defense.

Angels and KC are more complete teams, and I don't hate on Toronto either, but all they have really are the power hitters at the top of the lineup and good pitching almost always beats good hitting, run into a hot pitching staff, see how fast Toronto goes down.

Like I said before, just look at what the Reds did to Oakland in 1990.
Four straight games in a sweep, they did it with good starting pitcher and those three Nasty Boys coming out of the 'pen.

sorry.

i already guaranteed it. discussion over.

[survive]

2013 Red Sox won the WS and did not have great pitching.

They won because they were the best hitting team in majors.

Top 10 in basically every single offensive category. Right around league average in pitching.

I think pitching and defensive focused teams have won more world series in the last decade or so but Offensive focused teams can still compete in the modern MLB.

Man I swear that Red Sox team was one the worst MLB championship teams in recent memory. Maybe I'm jaded as a Yankee fan though

[stevenash]

sorry.

i already guaranteed it. discussion over.

I thought I was arrogant, you redefine the word. (with all due respect)

[Ratzz]

Man I swear that Red Sox team was one the worst MLB championship teams in recent memory. Maybe I'm jaded as a Yankee fan though

Yankee-goggles are most misleading. that team was great.
had all the ingredients of a dark horse. they were a riot to watch

i still can't believe that Leyland actually pitched to Ortiz with 3 none on,
with a 4 Run lead... with two outs.

just walk in a Run, get the next man out...

Bottom 8th... up 4 Runs.. and they lost.

WOW, what a win for the Red Sox.

Tigers were about to go up 2-0.
4 outs away.

pitched to Big Papi, what a knucklehead

[El Sol]

You guarantee it?

Four power hitters, a questionable bull pen and a mediocre rotation at best.
No team speed and a serviceable defense.........run into a hot pitching staff, see how fast Toronto goes down.
.

Dont forget the A's / Dodgers World 88 Series when Oakland was crushing everyone in the regular season through their dominating Offense and were heavily favored to win the WS. Dodgers pitched right through them with ease. It wasn't even close.

[JameisBrady]

You guarantee it?
Based on what?
Four power hitters, a questionable bull pen and a mediocre rotation at best.
No team speed and a servicable defense.

Angels and KC are more complete teams, and I don't hate on Toronto either, but all they have really are the power hitters at the top of the lineup and good pitching almost always beats good hitting, run into a hot pitching staff, see how fast Toronto goes down.

Like I said before, just look at what the Reds did to Oakland in 1990.
Four straight games in a sweep, they did it with good starting pitcher and those three Nasty Boys coming out of the 'pen.

he's a dumb blue jays fan. don't mind him. Case in point: he is arguing for the blue jays winning the world series based on regular season games, when this is exactly what people were using to hype up the 2013 tigers.

The Astros and Yankees are the "2013 Red Sox" of 2015, if anyone.

[JameisBrady]

Man I swear that Red Sox team was one the worst MLB championship teams in recent memory. Maybe I'm jaded as a Yankee fan though

it's ok, this yankee team will probably end up being the worst MLB championship team of the century

[Ratzz]

he's a dumb blue jays fan. don't mind him. Case in point: he is arguing for the blue jays winning the world series based on regular season games, when this is exactly what people were using to hype up the 2013 tigers.

The Astros and Yankees are the "2013 Red Sox" of 2015, if anyone.

no, no.. you are a stupid Yankees fan. big difference.

you said yankees would run away with AL East.
I said Toronto is going to the World Series

let's see who's right.

[JameisBrady]

I'm not even a yankees fan. typical low IQ toronto sports fan though, no surprise you jump to conclusions so quickly. Gonna be hilarious when your p53 stops working and we never have to see your posts on this board as a result.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Man I swear that Red Sox team was one the worst MLB championship teams in recent memory. Maybe I'm jaded as a Yankee fan though

They really were weren't they.

My heart wants to say that the '05 White Sox were worse.

But that may not be true.

[Ratzz]

he's a dumb blue jays fan. don't mind him. Case in point: he is arguing for the blue jays winning the world series based on regular season games, when this is exactly what people were using to hype up the 2013 tigers.

The Astros and Yankees are the "2013 Red Sox" of 2015, if anyone.

wow. ok

i mean...

what you really mean to say is:

1) the 2015 Yankees are the 2014 Athletics

and

2) the 2015 Blue Jays are the 2014 Royals

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

What does everyone have against Toronto sports fans?

We are due.

[UncleChael]

10 straight fool's gold.. LMAO!

[Regul8er]

Blue Jays are not winning a pennant, ptiching and defense wins and Toronto does not have it.

If you can show me one better defensive team in baseball, Id love to know who it is? MArtin behind the dish as solid as it gets. Donaldson and Tulo on the left side of infield is best in baseball. Pillar is absolutey dirty in CF...so dirty Ben Revere one of the best CFs is forced into LF. Bautista has an absolutely rocket launcher in Right. Justin Smoak is fabulous at 1st and 2 Gold Glove pitchers on the hump (Buehrle and Dickey)

Not sure why anyone say they dont have the defense...LOL

[Regul8er]

a servicable defense.

Nasher...please please watch a few of their games. Im thinking all you see if their highlights of bomb dropping on MLB Network, and assume they dont play defense. Best defense in the game, and I dont care about what these sabermetrics tell me. Been watching these guys all year and eye test is more then enough here.

[Mase of Base]

^This, Jays play great defense.

Pitching is average but the guys that pay the bills have thrown it all on the bats (and Price), we'll see. Stroman be back if they make the playoffs? Price/Buerle/Stroman/Estrada, Hutch or Dickey isn't half bad.

Didn't the BoSox just slug their way to a WS also.