Saturday Bases dicussion thread

[2daBank]

aight we gonna do this thing like i used to do from time to time last year,, all the vets around here no whats up, if ya dont know ill tell ya..we gonna hopefully get participation from the sharp guys i know and respect but everyone is welcomed to join in.. long as you bringing either legit questions or solid info to the table we all ears as i think most everyone here all wants the same thing...these have had days where we ended up pimp slapping these bitches and im in one of those kinds of moods, going downtown with friends for the 4th festivities but that wont be till around 3 oclock or so so plenty of time to get lots of discussion and hopefully a cards full of winner..

as custom i will start off with a gm that looks really good to me..

kc-108...oaktown got these guys in gm1 off a what was surprising to me at least really good performance by milone. i think these 2 teams really not that far apart and kc proved again tonight while losing showed serious heart late against a quality oak pen..gm 2 we have two really good pitchers going in santana who is having a career yr and parker who after a slow start has really started figuring it out..the key reasons i think kc is a really good play at this price are 1st off santana has been nails this year holding opponents to almost a full 1.5 runs per 9 lower than their season avgs and has owned oak going back to his laa days when he wasnt nearly the pitcher he is now. in fact these are his lifetime numbers vs oak..

Year-by-Year:

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	2005	3	0	1.000	1.61	4	4	0	0	0	0	28.0	21	5	5	1	6	0	21	0	0		108	0.964	6.8	3.50
	2006	3	1	.750	1.50	4	4	0	0	0	0	30.0	18	6	5	2	9	1	11	1	0		113	0.900	3.3	1.22
	2007	1	0	1.000	0.00	2	1	0	0	0	0	7.1	2	0	0	0	5	0	6	0	0		28	0.955	7.4	1.20
	2008	2	0	1.000	1.33	4	4	0	0	0	0	27.0	24	5	4	0	8	0	29	0	1		113	1.185	9.7	3.63
	2009	1	1	.500	1.69	3	2	0	0	0	0	16.0	14	3	3	2	4	0	13	1	0		63	1.125	7.3	3.25
	2010	2	1	.667	4.70	4	4	0	0	0	0	23.0	30	15	12	2	12	1	18	0	0		112	1.826	7.0	1.50
	2011	1	0	1.000	2.19	2	2	0	0	0	0	12.1	16	4	3	0	4	0	12	0	0		54	1.622	8.8	3.00
	2012	1	2	.333	2.18	3	3	0	0	0	0	20.2	15	6	5	3	8	0	20	0	0		86	1.113	8.7	2.50
	2013	0	1	.000	2.57	1	1	0	0	0	0	7.0	4	2	2	0	3	0	5	0	0		27	1.000	6.4	1.67
	Career Total	14	6	.700	2.05	27	25	0	0	0	0	171.1	144	46	39	10	59	2	135	2	1		704	1.185	7.1	2.29

pretty impressive no? another thing about santana is typically when he struggles it is due to giving up the long ball, not only has he only allowed 3hrs vs the current oak hitter but his overall numbers are quite impressive..

Oakland Athletics Career statistics vs. Ervin Santana
BATTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Yoenis Cespedes	9	2	0	0	2	4	0	1	.222	.222	.889	1.111
Coco Crisp	17	3	3	0	0	3	2	1	.176	.263	.353	.616
Josh Donaldson	9	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	.111	.111	.222	.333
John Jaso	17	7	1	0	1	6	3	3	.412	.500	.647	1.147
Jed Lowrie	10	2	2	0	0	1	0	1	.200	.182	.400	.582
Brandon Moss	4	2	0	1	0	1	2	2	.500	.667	1.000	1.667
Derek Norris	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Andy Parrino	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Josh Reddick	9	3	1	0	0	0	2	2	.333	.455	.444	.899
Adam Rosales	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Scott Sizemore	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	.333	.333	.333	.667
Seth Smith	10	2	0	0	0	0	2	5	.200	.333	.200	.533
Eric Sogard	8	3	2	0	0	0	1	1	.375	.444	.625	1.069
Jemile Weeks	12	4	0	0	0	0	0	3	.333	.333	.333	.667
Chris Young	6	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	.000	.143	.000	.143
Totals	124	30	10	1	3	15	13	26	.242	.312	.411	.723

last but not least ervin is on 5 days rest which has been by far the best situation for him throughout his career and even more so the last 3 years..

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Year-by-Year: 5 Days,GS

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	2005	4	3	.571	3.18	8	8	0	1	1	0	51.0	47	20	18	6	13	1	40	3	0		211	1.176	7.1	3.08
	2006	7	2	.778	4.46	12	12	0	0	0	0	80.2	73	42	40	10	18	1	53	3	0		326	1.128	5.9	2.94
	2007	3	7	.300	6.07	10	10	0	0	0	0	56.1	64	42	38	11	25	2	37	5	0		256	1.580	5.9	1.48
	2008	6	3	.667	4.24	13	13	0	0	0	0	85.0	86	41	40	9	25	0	84	4	1		365	1.306	8.9	3.36
	2009	3	3	.500	5.40	7	7	0	1	1	0	43.1	51	27	26	6	16	2	27	4	0		196	1.546	5.6	1.69
	2010	7	2	.778	3.60	11	11	0	0	0	0	75.0	80	35	30	8	23	1	60	2	1		327	1.373	7.2	2.61
	2011	4	4	.500	3.14	11	11	0	1	0	0	80.1	66	31	28	11	19	1	54	4	1		326	1.058	6.0	2.84
	2012	5	1	.833	4.14	9	9	0	1	1	0	58.2	47	28	27	13	15	1	48	2	0		240	1.057	7.4	3.20
	2013	2	1	.667	1.55	4	4	0	0	0	0	29.0	22	6	5	2	6	0	20	1	0		112	0.966	6.2	3.33
	Career Total	41	26	.612	4.05	85	85	0	4	3	0	559.1	536	272	252	76	160	9	423	28	3		2359	1.244	6.8	2.64

not trying to take anything away from parker as it well known i like this kid but as i pointed out with samardzija and his struggles on 5 days rest parker is on extended rest which has been a problem this yr in the 2 gms he has has a 6 + day layoff he has posted a whip of 2.44 and while he has had good success against this kc lineup it is in a much smaller sample size and he did get roughed up his only start in kuaffmen..

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Year-by-Year: KAN06

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	2012	0	1	.000	7.71	1	1	0	0	0	0	4.2	5	5	4	0	2	0	3	0	0		21	1.500	5.8	1.50

in the end kc has been much improved vs right handing pitching of late and are playing good ball as is oak but i feel like kc battling back tonight will carry over to this gm and they will get the W..


i have a card with 7/8 leans plays on it but jst wanted to start here and hopefully we can get a good discussion going on this whole card and crank out some winners...

[2daBank]

scrubbies +109...this may take a little more leap of faith seeing how you dont have to tell me how edwin has been during the day or more to the point how horrible he has been at Wrigley. that said he is a better pitcher than the number show and he is another guy that has had success vs this pit lineup. while the opposite ube said for morton as this guy is no where near the pitcher his numbers make him out to be and like jackson he has had his fair share of troubles at wrigley as well and in limited abs scrubbies are hitting .400 off this guy..

also lean..

Rays ml
nat rl
reds rl
lad
phi
bos/laa ov ?
hou/tex un 8.5 pretty strongly..

but we can discuss all that in the morning.. look forward to waking up with a bunch to talk about

[cameron]

Ray's ML is by far the best pick on the board tomorow. First, Moore will be the AL pitcher of month in July, bank on it. 2nd, Sale NEVER gets any run support. 3rd, The Rays absolutley own lefties this season hitting .292. Best of all, there's not one person in the White Sox bull pen that scares me at all with Crain on the DL. -145 is a steal, expect the line to jump by game time tomorow.

[Tonyprofit]

I like the royals play. They are 0-4 against Oakland this year they are due for a win at home. Good stats. Will put a small bet on the royals ml. Reds rl should also cover as well as rays. Watch out for dodgers. Sf is due for a win exp with Madison Bum at home.

[leetreaper]

scrubbies +109...this may take a little more leap of faith seeing how you dont have to tell me how edwin has been during the day or more to the point how horrible he has been at Wrigley. that said he is a better pitcher than the number show and he is another guy that has had success vs this pit lineup. while the opposite ube said for morton as this guy is no where near the pitcher his numbers make him out to be and like jackson he has had his fair share of troubles at wrigley as well and in limited abs scrubbies are hitting .400 off this guy..

also lean..

Rays ml
nat rl
reds rl
lad
phi
bos/laa ov ?
hou/tex un 8.5 pretty strongly..

but we can discuss all that in the morning.. look forward to waking up with a bunch to talk about

Waiting for any line here pretty much.

[2daBank]

Ray's ML is by far the best pick on the board tomorow. First, Moore will be the AL pitcher of month in July, bank on it. 2nd, Sale NEVER gets any run support. 3rd, The Rays absolutley own lefties this season hitting .292. Best of all, there's not one person in the White Sox bull pen that scares me at all with Crain on the DL. -145 is a steal, expect the line to jump by game time tomorow.

gotta agree, i havnt had a chance to look at what number of rest sale on but he does really scare me when he on 6+ between starts as he generally unhittable in those spots but yea mostly came down to the fact tb crushes lefties and we were getting pretty good price thanx to sale while cws really dont hint anyone especially lefties..

[SilverTongueFox]

Bank - I just can't get into today's card. It looks and feels like a square dancing day. I hate square dancing but I don't see any big underdogs winning today. Just feels like one of those days. I'm going to play a few ML & RL parlays for fun with Jays, Nats, Rangers & Reds.

Im tailing you on scrubbies except I like FF better so waiting on it to come out. Also tailing paco on White Sox.

Good luck today brother.

[2daBank]

I like the royals play. They are 0-4 against Oakland this year they are due for a win at home. Good stats. Will put a small bet on the royals ml. Reds rl should also cover as well as rays. Watch out for dodgers. Sf is due for a win exp with Madison Bum at home.

i dont buy to much into the "due theory", the way i looked at that gm is not only does fife have impressive peripherals but i mean it really hard to pass up lad + vs anyone right now as they are on a tear. personally i rather play keep playing the team on the heater than invest my money in some cold ass team who is "due".

[2daBank]

Bank - I just can't get into today's card. It looks and feels like a square dancing day. I hate square dancing but I don't see any big underdogs winning today. Just feels like one of those days. I'm going to play a few ML & RL parlays for fun with Jays, Nats, Rangers & Reds.

Im tailing you on scrubbies except I like FF better so waiting on it to come out. Also tailing paco on White Sox.

Good luck today brother.

yea i havnt played scrubbies yet and will prob at least split ff and gm... think lad and scrubbies were only 2 dogs i had wrote down..camt argue with a pacman play but man it tough to go against tb when they are so good vs lefties and chisux well arnt, even if sale is the better of the 2 lefties he facing a much better offense..

[2daBank]

cin rl -105..me and IB were talking about this last week, bonderman is a mirage before his last start dude had numbers that made no sense, he started coming back to reality last gm as the scrubbies put one on him and i expect the same to continue here, not a huge fan of home rls but in this case i think it more than justifiable as Latos shouldnt have much problem with this sea lineup and i expect reds to tune bonderman up pretty good in this one.. after dropping a rare home gm yesterday i expect reds to get back to what they do best and that is feast off the weak at home...

[dilaudid8]

bank nice write up's my brother great info. gl with your bets to the bank

[Big Bear]

bank... thats Reds RL is calling my name.. only thing is it looks too easy.

[2daBank]

bank... thats Reds RL is calling my name.. only thing is it looks too easy.

yes it does,,then again easy has been the way of the world lately, didnt bradley just cash a 7 team parlay? it certainly hip to be square right now, lol.. think im also gonna do a cin/nats on the -1 line parlay..

[whtsox13]

The only real wager in Milwaukee is who is buying the drinks with the two lushes on the hill. Brewers playing bad baseball (lost 8 of 10) and have lost three in a row behind Gallardo. Mets have been alright (won 6 of 10) and have won the last two behind Marcum. Brewers are better at home but Mets almost .500 on the road.
Half unit on the Mets +130, may go more after lineups posted. Cheers!

[Tonyprofit]

i dont buy to much into the "due theory", the way i looked at that gm is not only does fife have impressive peripherals but i mean it really hard to pass up lad + vs anyone right now as they are on a tear. personally i rather play keep playing the team on the heater than invest my money in some cold ass team who is "due".

So Oakland isn't a hot team. Ok.....

[2daBank]

So Oakland isn't a hot team. Ok.....

not sure what this has to do with anything but you can take your faggy little "ok" shit somewhere else little pussy as you get your block knocked off with that sarcastic bitch shit fadce to face.. go look at oak road record and get back to me chief..

[Tonyprofit]

Maybe you should go 2 da bank and pull some money out and go to school. My block will not get knocked off by saying ok. We will never meet "fadce" to face is a forum. Ok........

[face]

Brewers playing bad baseball

they sure are
they are bad at everything! baserunning, fielding, pitching. 61 errors, 28th in baseball in fielding

[2daBank]

Maybe you should go 2 da bank and pull some money out and go to school. My block will not get knocked off by saying ok. We will never meet "fadce" to face is a forum. Ok........

maybe you should learn to contribute something worth a fukk or take a flying leap, cause no one gives a fukk about your sarcastic ass bitch made remarks ..

[2daBank]

Fish ff +165 ...while most ppl wanted to fade cards yesterday on the 1st day home from a long trip with their flight not getting in till 6am i tend to think that 1st gm players play off a adrenaline and tend to preform while this 2nd gm, especially a day gm is the one where you have to be wary of a letdown. plenty of times kelly takes a inning or 2 to find the location with his fastball so i think fish can get a few off him early. no yadi in lineup today and cards have seen very little of eovaldi, biggest concern is the kid throws a lot of fastballs which cards tend to hit rhp that throw a high percentage of heat but seeing how this a gm i think they could be a little flat and the kid throws gas think it may take a while for them to start catching up...

[Gus Fring]

Bank, can I post here without posters getting there panties in a bunch?

[2daBank]

Bank, can I post here without posters getting there panties in a bunch?

as long as it actually discussion about gms and done respectfully that was this thread for!

[Gus Fring]

In that case; I think the Indians as a home dog is a decent play. Few reasons,

1. Divisional game, 2.5 games back I think
2. Sanchez coming back from injury
3. Indians got shut out yesterday
4. Tigers bullpen.
5. Sure public is on tigers after last night and usually is a public backed team

[2daBank]

bos/laa ov 8.5 -107...i dont understand this line at all..was all over the under this same number yesterday when we had 2 above avg lefties pitching to teams that dont produce as much vs lefties. now we get 2 righties one in williams being a bona fide gas can, dont let some of his surface numbers fool you this guy is not good and has padded his stats vs the bottom feeder lineups, teams with a pulse hit this guy and bos certainly qualifies there.. dempster may not be a gas can but he is a avg at best righty and halos been feasting off rhp all season.again either linesmaker knows something i dont know or they slipping on this number cause to line this gm the same as doubrant/wilson is a serious mistake imo, of coarse i thought they opened the wilson/doubrant gm high yesterday but it closed where this sits now which is crazy imo..

gas can williams vs Bos

Jerome Williams Batter vs Pitching Stats

Jerome Williams vs. - Next Game: 7/6 10:05 ET vs. BOS

Boston Red Sox Career statistics vs. Jerome Williams
BATTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Mike Carp	10	3	2	0	0	4	2	1	.300	.462	.500	.962
Stephen Drew	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	.500	.500	.500	1.000
Jonny Gomes	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000
Jose Iglesias	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1.000	1.000	1.000	2.000
Ryan Kalish	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000
Mike Napoli	14	6	1	1	2	5	2	3	.429	.500	1.071	1.571
Daniel Nava	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
David Ortiz	5	3	0	0	2	5	0	0	.600	.600	1.800	2.400
Dustin Pedroia	2	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	.500	.500	.500	1.000
David Ross	2	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	.500	.333	.500	.833
Brandon Snyder	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000
Shane Victorino	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Totals	45	17	3	1	4	16	4	6	.378	.431	.756	1.187

dumpster fire vs halos

Ryan Dempster Batter vs Pitching Stats

Ryan Dempster vs. - Next Start: 7/6 10:05 ET vs. LAA

Los Angeles Angels Career statistics vs. Ryan Dempster
BATTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Erick Aybar	8	2	0	0	0	0	0	2	.250	.250	.250	.500
Alberto Callaspo	8	2	0	0	1	1	3	3	.250	.455	.625	1.080
Josh Hamilton	5	1	0	0	0	0	0	2	.200	.200	.200	.400
Brad Hawpe	5	2	0	0	0	1	2	3	.400	.571	.400	.971
Chris Iannetta	13	2	0	0	1	4	3	4	.154	.313	.385	.697
Howie Kendrick	9	2	0	0	0	0	2	1	.222	.364	.222	.586
Albert Pujols	60	21	5	0	8	17	13	2	.350	.461	.833	1.294
Andrew Romine	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
J.B. Shuck	5	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	.400	.400	.800	1.200
Mike Trout	10	4	2	1	1	1	2	2	.400	.500	1.100	1.600
Mark Trumbo	10	5	2	0	1	4	1	1	.500	.545	1.000	1.545
Totals	134	43	11	1	12	28	26	21	.321	.429	.687	1.116

[2daBank]

In that case; I think the Indians as a home dog is a decent play. Few reasons,

1. Divisional game, 2.5 games back I think
2. Sanchez coming back from injury
3. Indians got shut out yesterday
4. Tigers bullpen.
5. Sure public is on tigers after last night and usually is a public backed team

i didnt have much interest as i tend to always fukk up tribe/tigers series so usually stay away, lol.. def dont mind fading a pitcher fresh off the dl in certain spots, tigers pen is shaky but tribes has been as well..gl bro

[2daBank]

Waiting for any line here pretty much.

they really undershot it imo..how the hell they made this the same as yesterday with doubrant/wilson is beyond me..

[BigBoi]

Banker I'm not understanding the angels bosox total. Jerome Williams sux and dumpster fire isn't the same guy he once was. Line says under yet knowing the teams and pitchers it screams over. What's the deal?

[2daBank]

Banker I'm not understanding the angels bosox total. Jerome Williams sux and dumpster fire isn't the same guy he once was. Line says under yet knowing the teams and pitchers it screams over. What's the deal?

considering total was same as yesterday in a gm i think both starters were better and more importantly left handed im with ya i have no clue. i played under yesterday but that cause neither of these teams hit lefties that well.. i guess it is screaming under but ill pay to see it cause looks like a over to me, i just cant justify how they got the same total for yesterdays gm as today, i thought it was high yesterday and it was, i think it low by at least a half run today so i guess we'll see.

[leetreaper]

they really undershot it imo..how the hell they made this the same as yesterday with doubrant/wilson is beyond me..

Found it: Bos is 6-0 Under in last 6.

[2daBank]

Found it: Bos is 6-0 Under in last 6.

i guess the last gm vs sd it closed at 10.5? cause i know i pushed on 10...easy to go on a under run when you playing a cold ass pads team i guess...i dunno but this a streak im against tonight..

[BigBoi]

I'm thinkin on it.

[Smutbucket]

im pounding the over in LAA and cinn today....my internet still shitty , I was expecting to get back last week but decided to wait a couple weeks so I can get the fastest option in my area....been goin into town to use the internet at mcdonalds but not gonna be able to much this week....

[2daBank]

Bang..3-0 lead fish

[2daBank]

forgot to post played scrubbies ff along with gm. i got +105 but it worse now..

[BigBoi]

Jerome and dumpster both have 9+ eras against their respective teams.