Chris Sale +money against the Jays.

[gbpack]

Sale was bad last time out and Dickey was solid which is maybe why Sale is a little under priced here. Jays shut out yesterday against lefty quintana, although he and sale have very different stuff. I think the Jays struggle again against one of the better pitchers in the A.L. anytime you can get sale at + money I think its worth a look. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[zandyman]

On it.

[onacloud]

Dickey had a good showing because it was a cold night making the knuckle much better

Will the roof be open in Toronto? Any confirmations? If its closed I'm all over Sale

[blowseq]

Sox's batters love Dickey!

[NOboy]

not sure if those numbers mean anything....dickey hasnt faced them since 09.

[gbpack]

That is one thing that I have always believed is that a knuckle is always better outside where any little bit of breeze can have an effect and move the ball like crazy. I could be dead wrong with that. If anyone has time today( I am sitting at work all day) can anyone find any splits on knucklers inside and outside or if if they really know the effects of a knuckler pitching inside or out that would be great.

[onacloud]

That is one thing that I have always believed is that a knuckle is always better outside where any little bit of breeze can have an effect and move the ball like crazy. I could be dead wrong with that. If anyone has time today( I am sitting at work all day) can anyone find any splits on knucklers inside and outside or if if they really know the effects of a knuckler pitching inside or out that would be great.

With R.A. Dickey throwing in a dome for 1/2 of his games in a dome. Here are the results of pitchers in domes instead of in open air for comparison.

Steve Sparks	BABIP	K%	BB%	HR/9	ERA
Open	0.295	27.9%	22.0%	1.10	5.00
Dome	0.275	36.9%	24.2%	0.66	3.89
Joe Neikro
Open	0.275	31.7%	22.1%	0.85	3.94
Dome	0.268	42.9%	27.9%	0.40	2.95
Phil Nekro
Open	0.273	44.5%	23.3%	0.80	3.35
Dome	0.281	49.2%	19.0%	0.85	3.31
Charlie Hough
Open	0.254	46.0%	31.2%	0.92	3.76
Dome	0.248	42.9%	33.8%	0.80	3.56
Tim Wakfield
Open	0.277	40.9%	22.0%	1.18	4.43
Dome	0.260	48.9%	28.8%	1.06	4.29
Tom Candiotti
Open	0.283	43.4%	21.4%	0.82	3.69
Dome	0.293	47.4%	22.3%	0.90	4.31
R.A. Dickey
Open	0.293	43.5%	17.2%	1.04	3.91
Dome	0.307	44.3%	23.7%	1.13	4.41

http://www.baseballheatmaps.com/results-of-knuckleball-throwers-in-domes/

[KC]

I live in NY and watched Dickey all the time, he has said the only conditions he hates is a drizzling rain..I think he beats Sale, would like to see Bautista back.

[gbpack]

Thanks for the info cloud. So it seems I was a little off but some are a little better but some are worse. Do you think with dickey being a little worse but the other "conventional" knucklers being better has anything to do with dickey's "power knuckler" reacting differently in a dome compared to the slow knuckle or am I just over thinking things?