Nadal Vs Khachanov ( Thoughts)

**Chaz22** · 07-07-17, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Laker_crazy

This match kind of stands out to me for today, Khachanov is an upcoming young kid and has a very good serve as well which nadal will not like, he generally likes people who want to rally with him, khachanov will keep the points short, nadal might win this but on grass court he has no business being a -1600 favorite going up against a opponent who can well shock him... Might just sprinkle a little on +900. Thoughts?

money wasted. Nadal will win in 3 today, get into finals and then loose to Fed. Sprinkle on that.

**-FlawlessKid** · 07-07-17, 05:34 AM

Khachanov is indeed a upcoming kid with some potential. Hard strokes, all or nothing. However, against top players he is still too respectful and is no thread at all. This is a thing the NexGen are struggling with..

Khachanov plays solid all tournament well up till QFish rounds until he faces a top player:

- Rolland Garros: really good tournament, faces Murray, straight sets loss
- Halle: decent play, lost changeless against Federer (even though he played decent that match)

I don't think today will be different, Nadal in 4 maybe, but I think Nadal in straight sets.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by -FlawlessKid

Khachanov is indeed a upcoming kid with some potential. Hard strokes, all or nothing. However, against top players he is still too respectful and is no thread at all. This is a thing the NexGen are struggling with..

Khachanov plays solid all tournament well up till QFish rounds until he faces a top player:

- Rolland Garros: really good tournament, faces Murray, straight sets loss
- Halle: decent play, lost changeless against Federer (even though he played decent that match)

I don't think today will be different, Nadal in 4 maybe, but I think Nadal in straight sets.

I agree there, somehow i do feel though and that this kid belongs to the big stage and he will surely make a mark soon. From what i have seen, Nadal likes the kind of match up where the opponent doesn't have a great serve and wants to rally like millman was doing, those kind of opponents cannot give nadal any trouble. However if khachanov can serve big and keep the points short, it will be an interesting match.

**-FlawlessKid** · 07-07-17, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Laker_crazy

I agree there, somehow i do feel though and that this kid belongs to the big stage and he will surely make a mark soon. From what i have seen, Nadal likes the kind of match up where the opponent doesn't have a great serve and wants to rally like millman was doing, those kind of opponents cannot give nadal any trouble. However if khachanov can serve big and keep the points short, it will be an interesting match.

He sure is a kid to watch for the future, has some good assets. Maybe instead of taking Khachanov ML the over O30 could be interesting, a match along the lines of 7-6 6-4 6-3 is a decent prediction I would say.

**europe_baller** · 07-07-17, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Laker_crazy

I agree there, somehow i do feel though and that this kid belongs to the big stage and he will surely make a mark soon. From what i have seen, Nadal likes the kind of match up where the opponent doesn't have a great serve and wants to rally like millman was doing, those kind of opponents cannot give nadal any trouble. However if khachanov can serve big and keep the points short, it will be an interesting match.

I agree..played Kachanov to take a set.. at these odds on the grass with player like this I think it is well worth it..

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 09:53 AM

Nadal is literally blowing khachanov away

**ballahollic2** · 07-07-17, 11:01 AM

These courts are playing soooooo slow. No free points off the serve.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by ballahollic2

These courts are playing soooooo slow. No free points off the serve.

I agree, there are no more free points that we are so used to seeing on grass, if anything the ball is coming slower from the surface which is ideally best suited for a guy like nadal, he is going to be very tough to beat even here if this continues.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:35 AM

Khachanov showing fight after losing the first set 6-1 but the penetrate up for over backers is that he needs to win a set now, had he played the same level in the first, over would have surely cashed.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:37 AM

Pretty certain kachanov loses the 3rd set tie break and the total games finish at 30 lol

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:46 AM

Donk had breakpoints and now set point, still has a long way to go this kid.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:49 AM

There comes the tie break, khachanov cannot say he didnt have any chances

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:53 AM

6-1 6-4 7-6, killed the over, onto next !!

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 11:59 AM

This kid and zverev are the future stars in the making for sure.

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 11:59 AM

Khachanov made way too many unforced errors. He has good game though, he'll definitely improve in the next few years.

Next match is really interesting, Nadal vs Muller.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by gambleForLife

Khachanov made way too many unforced errors. He has good game though, he'll definitely improve in the next few years.

Next match is really interesting, Nadal vs Muller.

Indeed, nadal showed he was vulnerable if the opponent lifts his game up and hits fast ground strokes, he will most certainly improve, he is 21 and has time on his side, we will be seeing him a lot more.

Muller will be an interesting match up, that guy serves big and is somewhat similar to Rasol whom he beat this year and Nadal will remember Rasol, he has beaten him at this very stage. Still feel if the court plays a little fast, nadal is due to go out !!

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 12:07 PM

Murray Fognini boys, interesting?

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 12:39 PM

Yeah, I'm looking forward to check the spread lines for this match, Pinnacle has moneyline for now only, Nadal is -500, Muller is +437. Nadal -6 maybe?

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Laker_crazy

Murray Fognini boys, interesting?

Logic is that Murray take this out in straight sets, but Fognini is crazy and unpredictable, he might take a set.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 12:44 PM

Fognini looks disinterested in this one, cant see this one going beyond 3

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 12:47 PM

Yeah just tuned in the game, Fognini is serving at 2-5, first ball is a terrible slice out and second one is a double fault lol.

And 2 more double faults to give the set away! What an idiot! lol

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 12:49 PM

He doesn't look like he wants to compete which is a pity for anyone who might have backed him seeing the head to head record between him and murray tied at 3-3, hate such players who have mood swings worse than a women on a first day of her period, he should retire !

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 12:57 PM

And now he broke Murray to start the 2nd set, he's really bipolar lol.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 12:59 PM

That break will really not matter IMHO, because the way he serves he can easily be broken, the whole aura around this guy is so negative.

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 01:01 PM

Yeah he just gave it back, he'll probably lose the next 5 games now lol.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:01 PM

There it goes, back to 1-1, this guy is really bad, he will definitely blow up and lose his cool, such guys dont deserve to play tennis, useless no effort guys

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:02 PM

what a weird POS

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:13 PM

I think Murray has money on losing 1 set today , he is gifting games to fognini who clearly wants to be anywhere but on a tennis court right now, fognini is definitely on my future fade list from now on.

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 01:16 PM

Wtf was that Murray backhand to give away his service game? Fognini is a crazy mofo, but Murray for sure is trying hard too lol.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:18 PM

Murray still knows when to raise his game but this fognini guy is a whinny little bitch who cant control his own emotions, wonder how he handles panetta when she loses a match, do they both cry together? hahahah

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:20 PM

The commentator just summed it by saying just dont know whats coming next lol

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 01:31 PM

Wow Fognini took the 2nd set. Can he keep his intensity? I doubt it, but with Fognini, everything is possible.

**Laker_crazy** · 07-07-17, 01:54 PM

Lol

**gambleForLife** · 07-07-17, 01:57 PM

Pinnacle just opened Nadal/Muller lines, Nadal is -5 highly juiced, it will move to 5.5 really soon. O/U at 38.