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  • kenz
    SBR MVP
    • 12-09-12
    • 4879

    #13861
    Forza Fogna
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    • kenz
      SBR MVP
      • 12-09-12
      • 4879

      #13862
      Fognini making his friends rich

      He must see @15 in 2-5 0-30

      Definitely fixed
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      • MiDNiTe
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 11-11-13
        • 7684

        #13863
        sousa falling apart now
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        • kenz
          SBR MVP
          • 12-09-12
          • 4879

          #13864
          Unreal Italian job
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          • JC1186
            SBR MVP
            • 02-21-14
            • 1070

            #13865
            Lol this isn't a fix.

            This is​ just Foginini.
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            • MiDNiTe
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-11-13
              • 7684

              #13866
              paire all over monty now it looks like
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              • MiDNiTe
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-11-13
                • 7684

                #13867
                fukn two fukn games that is all sousa u dumb prick
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                • kenz
                  SBR MVP
                  • 12-09-12
                  • 4879

                  #13868
                  I think it is extremely likely a fix. The odds were very cautious even when Fognini was missing shots purposedly

                  Fognini is Italian
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                  • SirtySree
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-19-13
                    • 2370

                    #13869
                    Not a fix if you watch the game. Nothing suspicious going on. Both players chasing down some shots but Fog just went ridiculous after the initial break.
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                    • MiDNiTe
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-11-13
                      • 7684

                      #13870
                      just hold the first game sousa
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                      • MiDNiTe
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 11-11-13
                        • 7684

                        #13871
                        i have +4.5 guy is up 7-5 5-2 30-0 any may not cover thanks sousa
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                        • kenz
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-09-12
                          • 4879

                          #13872
                          I am watching. My opinion of a fix wont change, neither yours. So no need to talk about it
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                          • MiDNiTe
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 11-11-13
                            • 7684

                            #13873
                            i dunno if fog fixed this match but when he was on his hot streak last year guy use to lose to mugs first set then blitz them 2nd and 3rd i dont think he was fixing today he came so close to losing
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                            • MiDNiTe
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-11-13
                              • 7684

                              #13874
                              miracle guy held twice after 2nd set meltdown u can lose now sousa u choker
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                              • gasto
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 12-30-11
                                • 330

                                #13875
                                How do you know that both players are not involved. Sometimes you need both sides to cooperate. Look at the NBA when sides mysteriously cover or total of game goes over with last shot. Wide open 3, and most of the top NBA players can make that if not contested.

                                Its on the Tennis Channel right and the British commentators are mentioning the wild swings. They said " Sousa won first set which he should not won and Fognini won second set which he should not won". This is all code word for " Fix is in". They will lose their jobs if they outright suggested that was the case.

                                Its pretty clear, Fognini is a better player so can pretty much decides if he covers or not, if games go Over Games total or not. Crazy to see how many people are naive here to think games are not fixed. Tennis is perfect for all the spot betting, and only 1 or 2 individuals needed.
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                                • JC1186
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-21-14
                                  • 1070

                                  #13876
                                  Oh man c'mon guys pull your heads in.

                                  Sousa when up *5-3 30-15 hit a forehand that just missed by the smallest margin.

                                  Could have easily been 40-15 - 2 mp's. In which case it would take a simple missed return into the net for GSM.

                                  If Fognini losses this 3rd set I could understand some speculation.

                                  But if he wins it rules it out 100% as Sousa was a few cm's away from match points and likely GSM.

                                  When fixing you never leave margins that close.
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                                  • kenz
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 12-09-12
                                    • 4879

                                    #13877
                                    My fav guy in ATP won

                                    Forza Fogna
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                                    • gasto
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 12-30-11
                                      • 330

                                      #13878
                                      JC you dont have to find reasons why its not fixed. Just the odds at -580 and then having such wild swings tell you either the odds makers have no clue or something was going on.

                                      Even if Sousa had won the point, who is to say he would not lose next two points with wild returns or two double faults if he was serving. Just saying it can be fixed even to the last moment. Off course that is dangerous especially if both players are not involved.

                                      I just watched Set 3 and you can see who was better so I dont know what was going on earlier. I am happy though, had a 10 game parlay with baseball paying over $1,000 bet $10 and filled 9th spot with Fognini ML. One more spot , will not use tennis as I dont know the players and their tendencies much
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                                      • SirtySree
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 12-19-13
                                        • 2370

                                        #13879
                                        Originally posted by gasto
                                        How do you know that both players are not involved. Sometimes you need both sides to cooperate. Look at the NBA when sides mysteriously cover or total of game goes over with last shot. Wide open 3, and most of the top NBA players can make that if not contested.

                                        Its on the Tennis Channel right and the British commentators are mentioning the wild swings. They said " Sousa won first set which he should not won and Fognini won second set which he should not won". This is all code word for " Fix is in". They will lose their jobs if they outright suggested that was the case.

                                        Its pretty clear, Fognini is a better player so can pretty much decides if he covers or not, if games go Over Games total or not. Crazy to see how many people are naive here to think games are not fixed. Tennis is perfect for all the spot betting, and only 1 or 2 individuals needed.
                                        No one said fixes don't happen in tennis as they do happen from time to time. Some of us were saying this game isn't, not all games isn't.

                                        Most games that are shown on TV with large audiences are legit with very minimal fixes. It is usually the lower tier matches where the only details you will find about the match is the final score, where there is no tv coverage, minimal crowd, and no break down of points to be seen anywhere.
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                                        • gasto
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 12-30-11
                                          • 330

                                          #13880
                                          BTW all sports are ripe for fixing. In baseball same, one player, the Pitcher can significantly impact the outcome of a game. Look out for big time pitchers heavily favored against a decent team . If big time pitcher is away from home, odds are he will lose the game as most money flows to the big time pitcher with a big time team like Detroit, Cardinals or Dodgers etc. Just away from home
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                                          • MiDNiTe
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 11-11-13
                                            • 7684

                                            #13881
                                            jc right man that wasnt a fix guy went for his shot and nearly had mp he just choked, fog was so close to losing this
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                                            • gasto
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 12-30-11
                                              • 330

                                              #13882
                                              The reason they will fix, is they know there are Tools who will believe that just because its on tv it cannot be fixed. Are you kidding me. If the power can go off at a Superbowl game and the other team mysteriously stages a comeback after a half hour delay with hundreds of millions watching, you mean to tell me they will not fix a game with maybe a few thousand people watching. Gimme a break.
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                                              • SirtySree
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-19-13
                                                • 2370

                                                #13883
                                                Originally posted by gasto
                                                The reason they will fix, is they know there are Tools who will believe that just because its on tv it cannot be fixed. Are you kidding me. If the power can go off at a Superbowl game and the other team mysteriously stages a comeback after a half hour delay with hundreds of millions watching, you mean to tell me they will not fix a game with maybe a few thousand people watching. Gimme a break.
                                                srs wasting my time responding to this retard. read my post again, i said there are minimal fixes on big TV matches and fixes r more likely on small matches with little coverage, not there r no fixes on every darn event shown on tv.

                                                last post responding to this. we going off topic over a stupid issue wen we should hav just enjoyed wat was a good match and be discussing that and nt this dumb fix topic
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                                                • kenz
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 12-09-12
                                                  • 4879

                                                  #13884
                                                  I think Andujar will win
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                                                  • MiDNiTe
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 11-11-13
                                                    • 7684

                                                    #13885
                                                    i never said there are no fixes and in some of fogs other matches big time suspicious i just not sure today is one since he so close to losing but i could be wrong just my opinion no need to get so hyped up man
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                                                    • MiDNiTe
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 11-11-13
                                                      • 7684

                                                      #13886
                                                      yeah im on pablo too guy is such a different player on clay cmon andujar no mugging around today
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                                                      • Marillion
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-06-14
                                                        • 1453

                                                        #13887
                                                        Speaking of fixes, what do you think about these two? I can't access Betfair now and cannot see how much money has been put on it:

                                                        Schwartzman D. - Saretta F. betting odds and user predictions. tennis Sao Paulo 2 Challenger Men 2014 (clay) H2H Results. Register for free on Odds Portal.


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                                                        • kenz
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 12-09-12
                                                          • 4879

                                                          #13888
                                                          Guys since we dont have evidence, it is all subjective. I stated what I think, you guys stated what you think. Any further discussion and it gets ugly.
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                                                          • kenz
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-09-12
                                                            • 4879

                                                            #13889
                                                            Originally posted by Marillion
                                                            Speaking of fixes, what do you think about these two? I can't access Betfair now and cannot see how much money has been put on it:

                                                            Schwartzman D. - Saretta F. betting odds and user predictions. tennis Sao Paulo 2 Challenger Men 2014 (clay) H2H Results. Register for free on Odds Portal.


                                                            http://www.oddsportal.com/tennis/bra...e/#home-away;2
                                                            Player names look very suspicious to me Anything can happen. Not sure betfair has challenger tennis though
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                                                            • kenz
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 12-09-12
                                                              • 4879

                                                              #13890
                                                              Originally posted by MiDNiTe
                                                              yeah im on pablo too guy is such a different player on clay cmon andujar no mugging around today
                                                              2 concerns

                                                              1. Poor serve, prone to double faults and weak 2nd serves
                                                              2. Prone to turn into a mental wreck in a very very short time

                                                              But he has very good groundstrokes and never lost in Monte Carlo in the first game
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                                                              • Marillion
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-06-14
                                                                • 1453

                                                                #13891
                                                                Yeah, South America after all. I can imagine hordes of gringo match fixing drug dealers courtsiding there lol.

                                                                Btw that reminds me of a funny story about a chess player who played in a tournament in Nicaragua or Honduras (sth like that) a few decades ago. In the middle of the chess games (with spectators there and all) a guy from the local military junta went in between the tables with a Kalashnikov in his hand and started leniently moving around. Then he stopped the clocks and said "OK guys that's enough for now, you'll continue tomorrow".
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                                                                • bababooey13
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 11-13-13
                                                                  • 1897

                                                                  #13892
                                                                  Originally posted by SirtySree
                                                                  No one said fixes don't happen in tennis as they do happen from time to time. Some of us were saying this game isn't, not all games isn't.

                                                                  Most games that are shown on TV with large audiences are legit with very minimal fixes. It is usually the lower tier matches where the only details you will find about the match is the final score, where there is no tv coverage, minimal crowd, and no break down of points to be seen anywhere.
                                                                  you are extremely naive and wrong here there are countless ways to fix any event. TV has ZERO effect on any fixes they are rampant in every sport.. the 'level' of competition or size of the audience means shit. But without proof it's all opinions so lets all agree to disagree.
                                                                  Im gonna keep betting every sport like it is rigged as it has been profitable for awhile now.
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                                                                  • MiDNiTe
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 11-11-13
                                                                    • 7684

                                                                    #13893
                                                                    fantastic start pablo
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                                                                    • kenz
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 12-09-12
                                                                      • 4879

                                                                      #13894
                                                                      1st serve points won 89% - 47% in favor of Vasselin

                                                                      This is clay but serve still counts
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                                                                      • fcmb
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 03-02-14
                                                                        • 628

                                                                        #13895
                                                                        Originally posted by Marillion
                                                                        Speaking of fixes, what do you think about these two? I can't access Betfair now and cannot see how much money has been put on it:



                                                                        http://www.oddsportal.com/tennis/bra...e/#home-away;2
                                                                        In case that Schwartzman is going to lose this match it couldn"t be anything else than fix.. considering their current game(form) there is impossible for Diego to lose.. If this would be 4-5 years ago Flavio would surely win..
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