Matchbook - liquidity on NBA sucks

[Mudcat]

I thought it was a lot better last year. Is my memory playing tricks?

[bigboydan]

We only a couple of day into the season Mudcat. I'm sure things will pickup soon enough.

[Dark Horse]

I noticed that with the Suns@Spurs game. Very little liquidity. But season is young.

[Kaps]

...almost 80% of my action goes there

they consistently have the best line when i take something

[Nicky Santoro]

try betting NHL.. you'll puke..

used to be much better last year.. much much better

[Santo]

Liquidity increases markedly on NBA about 5 hours before gametime, and NHL a couple of hours before (& weekends), but it's much harder now to get a decent bet during the day.

[KC]

How is there supposed to be any liquidity when US players can't deposit funds?
Credit cards don't work and people don't want to do a bank wire, so unless you do a book to book transfer you can't play there and take advantage of their lines.
They need to fix this quick.

[jjgold]

kc that is one reason

Second and bigger reason is that matchbook is not a tradional book and will never attract the majority of players

Volume never grew there and now on the decline

[krk1030]

It doesnt even seem worth it with reduced juice at 5 dimes. It's easier knowing any point on game day I can get -105 and get any amount I want.

[jjgold]

KRK very good point

[Santo]

People who know what they're doing generally manage to get about $50 at 5 Dimes reduced, hardly "any amount I want"

[Mudcat]

I just took a look at my betting spreadsheet from this time last year and there was a lot more NBA action with Matchbook. I know that's not scientific proof but it sure seems like something is going on.

I think there is a lot to this:

How is there supposed to be any liquidity when US players can't deposit funds?
Credit cards don't work and people don't want to do a bank wire, so unless you do a book to book transfer you can't play there and take advantage of their lines.
They need to fix this quick.

[Nicky Santoro]

this place is making me sick to the stomach.. look at this.. 5 min before they drop the puck.. and look at how much you can bet on these games..

i am starting to not like this place anymore..



Columbus -114---- 47 bucks
NY Islanders +113--- 184 bucks



WTF is happening here? i don't want to bet only 47 small bucks here. .and it's been like this now for 35 minutes.. no new offers at all.. and if i make an offer, NO WAY it gets matched.. I hate this place now.. and it's like this on 93% of the hockey games..

[durito]

They've never had much NHL liquidity.

I don't notice much of a problem on NBA.

The people that provide the liquidity are big players that have always sent wires, not your $500 credit card depositor.

I can send a bankwire from my US bank that matchbook will credit in 48 hours for any amount with about 4 clicks of the mouse. It's not that difficult to deposit.

[Nicky Santoro]

it was much better last year, trust me.. i bet big volume there last year.. this year is a joke..

and i dont know what you mean by saying anyone can send bankwires within 48 hrs and 4 clicks.. what does this have to do with no hockey volume at all.

i can't even make a fukkin bet.. yesterday, i made an offer for a small bet at a fair price, and it sat there for 35 min and never was matched..

i never thought i'd say this.. but i am starting to hate matchy..

matchy is only good for NFL and NBA.. and NBA is nowhere as good as NFL.

[Mark Shark]

I just think it is early in the season and no-one wants to get burnt by large swings in betting. Just wait a couple of weeks and liquidity will increase.

[WileOut]

Any exchange is obviously going to be much better than a regular book because you usually get better prices and never get collared. It all depends on liquidity. Football liquidity is throught the roof there. I think I could get 50k down on tonights football game either side.

I think matchbook is taking the lay low approach until Obama and crew move in and relax the offshore situation hopefully.

[durito]

I think matchbook is taking the lay low approach until Obama and crew move in and relax the offshore situation hopefully.

I wouldn't hold your breathe.

What's done is done.

[WileOut]

I was just thinking what their strategy could be by not offering cash deposits and waiting for Obama is the only thing I can think of.

I'm really hoping the UIGEA regs don't get put into effect this month like I've been hearing. If they could hold off for Obama I think they may never get put into effect. I think there is a good shot for a reversal if they can just hold off for a few more months.

Then again if the regs are as stated they are worthless according to the DOJ and Wells Fargo CEO.

[Santo]

this place is making me sick to the stomach.. look at this.. 5 min before they drop the puck.. and look at how much you can bet on these games..

i am starting to not like this place anymore..



Columbus -114---- 47 bucks
NY Islanders +113--- 184 bucks



WTF is happening here? i don't want to bet only 47 small bucks here. .and it's been like this now for 35 minutes.. no new offers at all.. and if i make an offer, NO WAY it gets matched.. I hate this place now.. and it's like this on 93% of the hockey games..

There are larger offers outside these small ones, there is usually $1.5k at about a 6-8c spread.

[chemist]

At the moment I see about $5500 available to back Cleveland +4.0 at odds better than 5D reduced juice, allowing for commission, and about $29,700 to back u194.5 at odds better than 5D reduced juice, allowing for commission.

[Nicky Santoro]

There are larger offers outside these small ones, there is usually $1.5k at about a 6-8c spread.

i know santo, but i dont want to lay -132 because there is only 12 bucks to bet at -128. how can such a big book like matchy who have customers from all over the world, have only 12 bucks to bet on a hockey game that is starting in 3 minutes.. i dont get it..

[durito]

Do you understand the concept of an exchange?

[WileOut]

Nicky, I think hockey is just not bet on in volume nearly as much as the other big 3 sports.

[Nicky Santoro]

Nicky, I think hockey is just not bet on in volume nearly as much as the other big 3 sports.

yes wiley, i see that.. but honestly, it was much better last year. i can always get off what i want, and most of my offers were matched 5 min to game time.. unlike this year..

[chemist]

Utah -6.5 I see $7k better than 5D -110
LA +6.5 I see $3.3k better than 5D -100
Lot of cry babies in this thread.

[Nicky Santoro]

hey chemist, i am talking hockey not nba......

[durito]

I've made 15 NBA bets this season.

3 at Pinnacle, 10 at matchbook, 1 at DSI, and 1 at the greek.

All at the best # available.

[Mudcat]

Things were better today. The lines have been reasonably okay all along but now the dollars are muscling up. There were still a few sparse patches when I was looking but overall it was MUCH better than the day I started this thread.

Hopefully it will be an ongoing trend.

[Dark Horse]

Lower liquidity probably means that people have less free money. Recession, in other words.

[MonkeyF0cker]

A lot of handicappers lay off or bet sparsely the first couple weeks of a season to have relevant data for the season.

[Doug]

Things were better today. The lines have been reasonably okay all along but now the dollars are muscling up. There were still a few sparse patches when I was looking but overall it was MUCH better than the day I started this thread.

Hopefully it will be an ongoing trend.

I didn't look today, but H2 totals have had nothing available, maybe $50 at bad lines.

[Mudcat]

Oh yeah, I should probably have been more specific. I was talking about full game spreads, totals and moneylines.

[rm18]

had no problem with 4 figures on 2nd half total last year

[chemist]

12 cent line on NHL fairly early, though only about $100.