Betfred stole my money!!!!

**franky** · 02-27-12, 11:07 AM

I will not continue writing if I was not 100 % sure that I didnt make any fraud abuse or such a thing. I am 100 % sure that everything with my bets was normal, everything with my documents is ok...I just cant believe that I was involved in such fraud

**tgoodm1** · 02-27-12, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by filipinho

Maybe some discrepancy between registering details and sent documents?

I don't like the fact that documents are being asked for "after" and not "before".

How low and cheap can these books get?

And to add, the account holder is not given specifics as to why the documents weren't acceptable.

The only fraudulent party here is the book.

**dikefale** · 02-27-12, 01:04 PM

Where are you from Franky? Something very fishy about this case. Top Euro books are not known as bull shiters and scamers!

**SBR Lou** · 02-27-12, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

This case is being discussed with Betfred's Head of Fraud.

We spoke with BetFred's head of fraud. We can share that the player's ID was proven to be forged, but agreed not to break it down further than that. BetFred clarifies that in normal circumstances (non-forged IDs), if a doc is unclear, they will ask for a higher resolution scan. That wasn't the case here.

BetFred acted fairly.

**chachi** · 02-27-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by franky

... I am angry that bookmakers like betfred blame us the gamblers that we make abuse or fraud or something like that, but the only one who abuse someone is THE BOOKMAKER ...

Originally posted by SBR Lou

We spoke with BetFred's head of fraud. We can share that the player's ID was proven to be forged ... BetFred acted fairly.

**Hareeba!** · 02-27-12, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by tgoodm1

I don't like the fact that documents are being asked for "after" and not "before".

How low and cheap can these books get?

And to add, the account holder is not given specifics as to why the documents weren't acceptable.

The only fraudulent party here is the book.

So many posters on this forum like to jump to conclusions without the benefit of all the facts.

#1 fact in this business is that there are thousands more frauds committed or attempted by players than have ever been perpetrated by books.

**meckis** · 02-27-12, 03:05 PM

He is lucky to get deposit back

**chachi** · 02-27-12, 03:07 PM

I knew I smelled a gnome ...

May as well update this Lou ... http://www.sportsbookreview.com/News...t-dispute.aspx

**FourLengthsClear** · 02-27-12, 03:22 PM

The main surprise here is that Moneybookers appear to have accepted the forged ID.

**shari91** · 02-27-12, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by FourLengthsClear

The main surprise here is that Moneybookers appear to have accepted the forged ID.

I don't think it's too surprising... I think they really hammer you when you try to withdraw or maybe it's like the 90 day thing here in Aus? Or at least that was my experience. I was able to deposit and transfer money to a book without being asked for ID. Of course AA Mould f'd that all up but they never asked for my docs (which I could've provided obviously). I just happened to get kicked under that account before it became relevant

**franky** · 02-27-12, 03:41 PM

Forged ID? Are yuo crazy? Its a joke!!!!!

**Maniac** · 02-27-12, 03:46 PM

Have seen some Euro books have stopped offering bonuses for new accounts that deposit with Moneybookers/Neteller these days, so it does make you wonder why - if Moneybookers have been accepting forged ID's as appears to be the case here...then this new policy would make some sense.

**chachi** · 02-27-12, 04:40 PM

well, it's too easy to set up a moneybooker account for a gnome, deposit to a book, and go for a bonus bustout.

as anyone who's ever bet with that bald twat knows, you don't get four figures on ANYTHING at BetFred for more than a few days at best if even that, so anyone with a complaint like this with a stake amount like that is guaranteedly going for fast burn/lose out approach to burn a promotion up and possibly being slick with identity.

Jane / Frankie / Blondie must have lost about 2.5k covering the other side or laying off that attempt ...

that's going to be a lot of bonus gnoming to make back

**virtozo** · 02-27-12, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by franky

Forged ID? Are yuo crazy? Its a joke!!!!!

if your ID is ok get it notarized and this will prove everybody wrong!

**Stallion** · 02-27-12, 05:19 PM

This guy is lucky to get his deposit back, It surprises me that moneybookers took his forged ID. This posted got pwned!!!!

**Monte** · 02-27-12, 06:15 PM

Screw this case, Betfred is an utter shit book no matter if this is a multiple ID account or not.
Everyone who thinks otherwise is nuts, all these UK books are scams in one form or another, iam sick of reading otherwise.

**Hareeba!** · 02-27-12, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Screw this case, Betfred is an utter shit book no matter if this is a multiple ID account or not.
Everyone who thinks otherwise is nuts, all these UK books are scams in one form or another, iam sick of reading otherwise.

Is there any book on this planet you think is ok?

All those UK books end up being a waste of time for serious punters due to the severe limiting they invoke. However, you can still make good money from them before wearing out your welcome. Just keep moving on until you've extracted as much as you can from each of them. They are regulated, safe and straight. Unless you are trying to cheat them or doing something illegal your money is as safe as anywhere.

**Monte** · 02-27-12, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Is there any book on this planet you think is ok?

Is there anything you won't comment on, 24/7 shill?

**Hareeba!** · 02-27-12, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Is there anything you won't comment on, 24/7 shill?

It was a simple enough and fair question but instead of enlightening us you choose to post an insult!

**Monte** · 02-27-12, 07:18 PM

Fine...i use only Pinny, SBO and Greek right now.
Obviously that results in getting spoiled with high standards, and other books look like crap.
Then again, iam not as smart as you and find value everywhere, with your 20 accounts while you still find time posting at all hours day or night.

**Hareeba!** · 02-27-12, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Monte

Fine...i use only Pinny, SBO and Greek right now.
Obviously that results in getting spoiled with high standards, and other books look like crap.
Then again, iam not as smart as you and find value everywhere, with your 20 accounts while you still find time posting at all hours day or night.

Thank you. I agree those are three fine books and won't limit you, although their limits for some sports/events can be rather low at times. Having more quality books is a bonus.

I have just found $100 limits on today's ODI at Pinnacle. No odds at either SBO or Greek but fortunately there's decent liquidity at Betfair. I no longer have as many as 20+ accounts due to having been so severely limited by all the Euro and most of the Aussie books but I'd certainly have no qualms about playing at them all if not for that.

As for my posting times, I don't know why that should concern you. I do get my due quota of sleep and recreation if that's what's worrying you. But playing on horses in Australia and sports around the world does lead to keeping what may seem to you as unusual hours and there are gaps to be filled between races and waiting to get bets matched.

**andywend** · 02-27-12, 08:36 PM

There's no mention of any bonuses that the OP might have taken advantage of with BetFred.

Did the OP submit forged documents to cover up the fact that he/she had multiple accounts with BetFred and was collecting bonuses multiple times?

Did the OP have multiple accounts to exceed betting maximum limits?

If the OP deposited 2020 EUR while submitting forged documents WITHOUT collecting multiple bonuses or exceeding bet maximums, then BetFred should be obligated to payout the winning wager.

What happened to "book the bet", "pay the bet"? If the wager on Sunderland would have lost, then BetFred would have happily kept the money.

If BetFred's rule about the documents is always enforced, why can't I deposit $2,500 and bet it all on a basketball game? If it wins, I supply all the correct documents when requesting my $5,000 withdrawal. If it loses, I send in forged ID documents and then the bet will supposedly be canceled by BetEd and I would receive my original deposit back?

People are always whining about not getting paid when they take advantage of some $100 promotion without ever putting one penny of their own money at risk and I really don't care if they get stiffed. However, the OP did indeed put up $2,000 of real money, won the wager and is getting totally stiffed by BetFred and yet SBR is claiming that the book acted fairly?

I'm assuming there is a lot of information regarding this case that hasn't been disclosed.

**Santo** · 02-27-12, 08:56 PM

Yes I assume the reason they're not breaking it down further is they don't want to show how they identified the account/problems. Anti-fraud measures seem to be something of a trade secret so as not to allow fraudsters an easy way to circumvent them.

**franky** · 02-28-12, 12:08 PM

are you crazy, fake ID, I am from Bulgaria, there is no bonus given to bulgarian customers, how to make arbs on WBA - Sunderland... Do yuo believe Lou and Betfred that I am so stupid to give fake ID, my ID is scanned and IT IS NOT FORGED! I am just thinking right now of whole SBR activity here and the relations with betfred. Lou, one question - Do you want to send you my ID and after that I want to tell me where is the fake, why is my ID forged, I can take a picture with me and my ID if you want, but offcourse - there is no NEED! We have to believe in Betfred, we have to believe that I am the scammer!!! You are so pathetic!

**franky** · 02-28-12, 12:11 PM

and one more thing, I will do anything, I will make notarial copy of my ID if they want, but I am 100 % sure that Betfred and Lou will countinue saying - ''there is no need'', your document is forged. Lou, think about one more time - forged ID, 2020EUR deposit, WBA - Sunderland(very famous premiership event), I didnt get any bonus, reward, promotion, anything... Ask your self WHY?????????Why am I so stupid to make the whole thing with forged ID? Ask you self or its more easy to say the same thing like betfred. Thank you Lou, thank you SBR, thank you for everything...

**Ruifgalmeida** · 02-28-12, 12:35 PM

sorry guy or girl I dont believe you , betfred may be a very recreational book but they are not going to get burn for a few 2000eur

**franky** · 02-28-12, 12:43 PM

Its normal that you dont believe me... Nobody believes in me, but its ok. I know for myself that I am not a scammer and everything with my ID is ok, but the 100 % sure thing is that there is no matter if you believe me or not, I will never get my money back, and this makes me sick, because I am 100 % clean and have no bad reputations in the bookies, I am not arbing, I dont remember when I get bonus or something like that, I am just gambling, what is so strange? Yes, I am a girl, why are you asking that everytime, I am girl and I am a gambler...What is so strange?

**Dunhill** · 02-28-12, 12:53 PM

Talk with the guys at betfred to see if you can send them a notarized copy of your ID. They should accept that.
And just a small advice.... try to be more friendly. If your complaint is genuine, it's normal to be upset but you really won't get anywhere if you're rude.

**franky** · 02-28-12, 01:01 PM

ok, I will try, thank you for the advise..

**keyboarding** · 02-28-12, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by franky

Its normal that you dont believe me... Nobody believes in me, but its ok. I know for myself that I am not a scammer and everything with my ID is ok, but the 100 % sure thing is that there is no matter if you believe me or not, I will never get my money back, and this makes me sick, because I am 100 % clean and have no bad reputations in the bookies, I am not arbing, I dont remember when I get bonus or something like that, I am just gambling, what is so strange? Yes, I am a girl, why are you asking that everytime, I am girl and I am a gambler...What is so strange?

You need to calm down. You're fukking hysterical and nobody wants to help someone who doesn't stop and think.

Before you post 10,000 more times, you need to find out what the problem with your ID was and contact the proper authorities. I don't know why you are still posting in here. At this point SBR Lou has declared you a fraud so no one is going to believe you, even if you are telling the truth. That's just the way it is.

As mentioned before see if a notarized copy of your ID will make a difference. If it doesn't, find out why not. If it does, go and do that. Those are your only remaining options.

And post a picture with your ID on SBR and everyone will come to help you. Unless you're ugly, then don't bother.

God bless.

**chachi** · 02-28-12, 01:29 PM

btw franky / jane / blondie / gnome / whatever ...

WBA - Sunderland (very famous premiership event)

West Brom/Sunderland wouldn't even be mentioned as one of the top 4 or 5 of the matches this wkend.

Qpr/Fulham derby, Arsenal/Tottenham derby ... Chelsea/Bolton, Newcastle/Wolves, even Norwich/ManUtd or ManCity/Blackburn

Very famous? Far from it.

**Monte** · 02-28-12, 01:43 PM

Everyone gets hysterical when a lot of money is involved..most here are not helping that much, with putting her against a wall, as if you all knew she got "busted".
Don't trust SBR too much, maybe besides Justin.

**pellumb341** · 02-28-12, 01:47 PM

if the id is forged , why does not Betfred report the girl to authorities ?

**virtozo** · 02-28-12, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by keyboarding

And post a picture with your ID on SBR and everyone will come to help you. Unless you're ugly, then don't bother.

from wiki

**Maniac** · 02-28-12, 03:02 PM

If you really believe that you have a case then take it to the Gibraltar Gambling Commission which whom Betfred are regulated (details on the bottom of Betfred's website). If you really do have a case then they are the only ones who can actually force Betfred to pay you...if they rule in your favour of course.