Moneygram looks DONE...

**Mudcat** · 08-22-08, 07:46 AM

Other than crappy currency conversion rates, I don't recall ever having a problem with Moneygram.

I don't use them much so I'm not an expert but it looks to me like the problems you are describing are with sportsbooks, not Moneygram. Mis-directed anger perhaps?

**WileOut** · 08-22-08, 01:02 PM

Mudcat, he was clearly talking about the sportsbooks.

Spanks, this has nothing to do with the sportsbooks. It is the American government that is making it impossible to pay Americans. The sportsbooks pay people from other countries in a day or 2 through Neteller.

**ico2525** · 08-22-08, 02:28 PM

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**Spanks** · 08-22-08, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Mudcat, he was clearly talking about the sportsbooks.

Spanks, this has nothing to do with the sportsbooks. It is the American government that is making it impossible to pay Americans. The sportsbooks pay people from other countries in a day or 2 through Neteller.

exactly...its just getting near impossible to be get paid...

**sofun** · 08-23-08, 12:03 AM

yep, it is too bad that you are living in US, off course you can always get pay in a different way and it just a little bit harder than other country, beside that, everything else seem to be ok.

**bigboydan** · 08-23-08, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by sofun

yep, it is too bad that you are living in US, off course you can always get pay in a different way and it just a little bit harder than other country, beside that, everything else seem to be ok.

The sick part is it will probably only get worse before it gets better with ** type payments. However, I feel the books will be creative about geting that service accepted before football season

**InTheHole** · 08-23-08, 11:55 AM

I have taken a boomaker draw ** every month forthe last year. they are SOLID!

**AnotherLoan** · 08-23-08, 11:55 AM

The online gambling world is falling apart for Americans.

**FadeThePublic** · 08-23-08, 11:55 AM

Moneygram isn't done yet. The only thing that has changed is the money goes to and comes from another country from carlos escobar la quinta or something like that. It used to go to and from the U.S. that is all that has changed. However I did hear a few books do away with like matchbook. ** still works just fine at 5dimes.

**madmaxx** · 08-23-08, 12:05 PM

**dudley** · 08-24-08, 05:41 PM

Matchbook still not accepting moneygram!

**robmpink** · 08-24-08, 05:51 PM

Moneygram isn't done. It just was the front company.

**donjuan** · 08-24-08, 05:57 PM

It really doesn't help when you idiots specifically mention the methods of payout on here. All a government agent has to do is look on here and see how books are paying people. There's a reason they call it "money transfer" or "rapid transfer". It's because they specifically don't want it publicly out there how they are paying people. Any post of this type in the future should be deleted and the poster given an infraction or temporary ban.

**robmpink** · 08-24-08, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

It really doesn't help when you idiots specifically mention the methods of payout on here. All a government agent has to do is look on here and see how books are paying people. There's a reason they call it "money transfer" or "rapid transfer". It's because they specifically don't want it publicly out there how they are paying people. Any post of this type in the future should be deleted and the poster given an infraction or temporary ban.

Geez, here is their big break. Now they know that MoneyGram was used. What a big lead. Get a clue. They probably know how many times each one of us sent or received.

Listen I understand what you are getting at but this isn't some obscure method were talking about.

**SBR Lou** · 08-24-08, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

It really doesn't help when you idiots specifically mention the methods of payout on here. All a government agent has to do is look on here and see how books are paying people. There's a reason they call it "money transfer" or "rapid transfer". It's because they specifically don't want it publicly out there how they are paying people. Any post of this type in the future should be deleted and the poster given an infraction or temporary ban.

For the record, I agree that we as posters should try to be a little more discreet about specific money transfers or payment solutions. It's hard to keep the info from surfacing though, because SBR also takes on a reviewing aspect of each books funding/withdrawal options.

I think all we can do is try to keep anything too specific with regard to processing names, locations etc out of the posts, and I feel that stuff does get edited pretty quickly. As far as the general money transfer services, those names will always find their way into the posts unfortunately, all we can do is continue to use what we can where we can, and hope for another universal solution comparable to NETELLER to quiet all these concerns.

**donjuan** · 08-24-08, 06:19 PM

Geez, here is their big break. Now they know that MoneyGram was used. What a big lead. Get a clue. They probably know how many times each one of us sent or received.

Listen I understand what you are getting at but this isn't some obscure method were talking about.

The point is that you shouldn't ever specifically mention the process. I imagine something similar happened when people were mentioning the name of the Bodog debit card which, quelle surprise, no longer is available.

Maybe you people get off on saying you got $1000 from XYZ company. Personally I prefer the money, and would rather call it what the book calls it so as not to draw attention to it.

**donjuan** · 08-24-08, 06:20 PM

For the record, I agree that we as posters should try to be a little more discreet about specific money transfers or payment solutions. It's hard to keep the info from surfacing though, because SBR also takes on a reviewing aspect of each books funding/withdrawal options.

I think all we can do is try to keep anything too specific with regard to processing names, locations etc out of the posts, and I feel that stuff does get edited pretty quickly. As far as the general money transfer services, those names will always find their way into the posts unfortunately, all we can do is continue to use what we can where we can, and hope for another universal solution comparable to NETELLER to quiet all these concerns.

What I'm saying is that the options should always be referred to as "Money Transfer" or whatever the book is referring to a withdrawal option as. There's a reason they don't call it by its specific name if they call it something vague like that.

**ryanXL977** · 08-24-08, 06:40 PM

bookmaker has sent me every single check with 5 days, they are awesome

**Thremp** · 08-24-08, 07:10 PM

Mentioning ** on the internet forums or ** does little to nothing to create problems. Mentioning the actual companies processing the payments or the transfer codes (Yes, we all know there are the same 4-5 that are used by everyone. With like 90% being used by one code.)

This issue is something we have no control over and it is what it is.

**betbetter** · 08-24-08, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by CrazyL

For the record, I agree that we as posters should try to be a little more discreet about specific money transfers or payment solutions. It's hard to keep the info from surfacing though, because SBR also takes on a reviewing aspect of each books funding/withdrawal options.

I think all we can do is try to keep anything too specific with regard to processing names, locations etc out of the posts, and I feel that stuff does get edited pretty quickly. As far as the general money transfer services, those names will always find their way into the posts unfortunately, all we can do is continue to use what we can where we can, and hope for another universal solution comparable to NETELLER to quiet all these concerns.

There won't be another Neteller until there is some form of US regulation, whatever guise that comes in.
Personally I don't see the need to discuss publicly any money transfer services, whether we feel it does'nt matter or not. It can't help, and nothing discussed here in any shape can help or improve or influence the ease or functionality of these proceessors.

**Brock Landers** · 08-24-08, 08:56 PM

** isn't done, ** isn't done, just being handled differently than it used to be. And don't use Matchbook as the end all, be all example for the rest of us.

**onthewhat** · 08-25-08, 01:10 AM

Couldn't the feds pose as a customer and call a book, say they want to deposit how do I do it.

The book tells them Moneygram...end up at same result

**betplom** · 08-25-08, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

All a government agent has to do is look on here and see how books are paying people.

To all the government agents:

My books pay me via Moneybookers or back to my **** credit card.

BTW: I'm in a free country.

**ChiGuy23** · 08-25-08, 01:47 AM

Eh, Ill take effed up online gambling regulations over living in Canada......*shudder*

**donjuan** · 08-25-08, 02:12 AM

Mentioning ** on the internet forums or ** does little to nothing to create problems. Mentioning the actual companies processing the payments or the transfer codes (Yes, we all know there are the same 4-5 that are used by everyone. With like 90% being used by one code.)

This issue is something we have no control over and it is what it is.

Why even risk it?

**VegasDave** · 08-25-08, 02:18 AM

Right when I was trying to feel safe about depositing again...

Maybe I just shouldn't bother.

**jjgold** · 08-25-08, 04:38 AM

It is just a pain in the ass now to transfer money down to the books, that is why I feel volume has to be down and not up.

Credit cards are what really hurt books business

**accuscoresucks** · 08-25-08, 05:09 AM

i just made another deposit today using ** for a props,and halftime lines option.
no problem with it and i can withdraw that way to

**Brock Landers** · 08-25-08, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by accuscoresucks

i just made another deposit today using ** for a props,and halftime lines option.
no problem with it and i can withdraw that way to

exactly, people seem to use the one example of Matchbook to describe the entire worlds experence with **. Matchbook just doesn't want to make things easy for anyone, if they did they would accept cashiers checks by Fed Ex.

JJ, you remember the old ESB days, the only ways we got miney to them and collected back then was by fed ex, credit card or **. People got super spoiled with neteller and paypal, those of us who were playing pre-2000 know whats up.

**Shark79** · 08-25-08, 09:38 AM

Look for books that offer the ** option ... some out there even offer online **.

**WileOut** · 08-25-08, 10:20 AM

I look for paying an average of -102 juice on everything I've played the last year. Thats matchbook and matchbook only. Even with commission factored in my average play was for -102.

**TodaysAction** · 08-25-08, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Spanks

All the books I use are have done away with moneygram or really putting limitations on it if its still available at all...Bodog has went downhill fast and is just as bad as Sportsbook now...even Bookmaker is giving me problems...I guess I will have to considerably cut back wagering if I cant trust these lowlifes to pay in a timely manner...money goes in instaneously but takes months for paper checks and they make boatloads of money from the intrest... greasing US citizens...they should be all boycotted until everyone is paid...in FULL...scum...

You do have the option to wager legally in America (Vegas). If there's not a line up for you for say week six and you ask, I'm sure they'd put it up for you. Wow, think of it, you could make all bets over the course of a day or weekend and be home in time to do that 9 to 5 thing.

**hoopster42** · 08-25-08, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by onthewhat

Couldn't the feds pose as a customer and call a book, say they want to deposit how do I do it.

The book tells them Moneygram...end up at same result

exactly. i highly doubt the feds rely on info from these sports boards, they go straight to the horse, they know everything thats going on, they have targeted moneygram and matchbook, just like they targeted neteller and pinnacle, they know who the big money movers are, and they are doing exactly what they set out to do, make it difficult for americans to play where they wana play, which was pinnacle and is now matchbook, the feds knew this a long time ago

**Thremp** · 08-25-08, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Why even risk it?

So I can know (along with everyone else) who pays and how quickly and by what methods instead of dealing with 1) incompetent CS 2) reading outdated payout sheets most books put up.

There is a clear definite upside (more free information) and a dubious monsters under the bed downside (they'll take away **).