Bet on O 2.5 goals cancelled after the match was abandoned at 2 - 1

[andywend]

Cobra King is correct and ARichmond's wager on over 2.5 goals will NOT be graded as a winner. IN order for a full game total to have action, the game has to be played for a specific amount of time.

All bets on a match abandoned before the completion of 90 minutes play will be void

ARichmond, the score could be 9-8 with 89 minutes elapsed and if you have a bet on over 2.5 goals, your bet would still be graded as "no action"/"void".

Anybody who tells you different does not understand basic gambling rules.

[horja1]

in my opinion, bet is a winner.
Outcome of O/U 2.5 has been unconditionally determined when 3rd goal was scored.

i remember bwin, for example, settles bets during in-game time;

Bet365 does the same thing ... in a few minutes after the 3rd goal is scored Bet 365 settles the bet and the money are in your account

[horja1]

Cobra King is correct and ARichmond's wager on over 2.5 goals will NOT be graded as a winner. IN order for a full game total to have action, the game has to be played for a specific amount of time.ARichmond, the score could be 9-8 with 89 minutes elapsed and if you have a bet on over 2.5 goals, your bet would still be graded as "no action"/"void".

Anybody who tells you different does not understand basic gambling rules.

You are only quoting the part of the rule you like in order to prove your point .... as the OP stated, the complete rule for this is : "All bets on a match abandoned before the completion of 90 minutes play will be void unless the match is rearranged and played on the same date (local time) or stated otherwise in the rules, except for bets on any markets that have been unconditionally determined."

The book might cancel the bet if the Spanish Soccer Federation will rule that the game will end 3-0 for one of the teams, if they consider that the events leading to the suspension of the match happend because of the other team.

[arichmond64]

So why are betfair paying out when they have an identical ruling for this type of situation.
Along with other sites I have been on.

[wrongturn]

Books copy rules from Las Vegas or top bookmakers without really knowing what they mean. This rule is especially at risk of interpretation.

[arichmond64]

WALLOP!

They paid up!

Thanks for all the positive advice guys, not so much for the ney sayers lol.

[shari91]

Hell yeah!!!!!! Way to stick with it pal. Glad you didn't give up after the first few posts in this thread.

[lukahh]

glad to hear so. i was surprised abt the naysayers. rules say it very clearly, and the keyword is: "unconditionally determined".

[skrtelfan]

No surprise Andywend is wrong again, the biggest book shill on the forum.

[shari91]

No surprise Andywend is wrong again, the biggest book shill on the forum.

Yeah it's a bit offensive and not surprising when someone assumes the rules of US-facing books should apply outside of that one country.

Anybody who tells you different does not understand basic gambling rules.

Thankfully, for those of us who DO understand gambling rules, we recognise that not only is 50% of SBR's membership outside of the US, but we know that we encounter slightly more sophisticated wagering options than the andywend's of the world. A bit disappointing but definitely not a shock.

[Ace_of_Spades]

Should have bet with Betfair and you would have been credited.

[shari91]

Should have bet with Betfair and you would have been credited.

He was in the end. Book had the exact same rule as Betfair

[arichmond64]

I'm pretty surprised by those guys just batting it off, since I think it was a pretty clear argument. Its forum politics though, they have 2000 posts, they know best lol.

Should have bet with Betfair and you would have been credited.

If you read it you would realise I got paid.

[Ace_of_Spades]

I'm pretty surprised by those guys just batting it off, since I think it was a pretty clear argument. Its forum politics though, they have 2000 posts, they know best lol.



If you read it you would realise I got paid.

To be honest, i didn't read the whole post, just the ALLYOUBET part and stopped at that..

[kiwi]

Many european books do grade over bets as win as soon as the required number of goals has been scored, and I think that's completely correct. Of course there are books like 188Bet who always cancel winning bets if the game has not finished properly but they are exceptions and from my point of view it's unfair behaviour to cancel bets that have already won.

[the_orangekat]

Good to hear you got paid.

[pinnerpsk]

Another prob with a situation like this is....What's gonna stop some dipshit fan from trying to control the outcome of his wager. For example look at Wed's early champs league game. A few flares get thrown on the pitch and the match nearly gets suspended. All it takes is a clever better in the stands to chuck a few road flairs onto the pitch if it's currently a 2-1 game and he took the under, in hopes of getting the bet canceled!

[pinnerpsk]

I know some of us degens have definitely contemplated cutting the power supply or something just as sinister to get a game cancelled if it's already a lost bet!

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Another prob with a situation like this is....What's gonna stop some dipshit fan from trying to control the outcome of his wager. For example look at Wed's early champs league game. A few flares get thrown on the pitch and the match nearly gets suspended. All it takes is a clever better in the stands to chuck a few road flairs onto the pitch if it's currently a 2-1 game and he took the under, in hopes of getting the bet canceled!

Surprised that hasn't happened more, tbh.

[Powderguy]

damn, surprised you got paid, good stufff

[DoctorGonzo]

Standard rule @ most Euro books. The O/U 2.5 market becomes unconditionally determined as soon as the 3rd goal goes in, regardless of whether the game is abandoned after that point or played to completion. If the game was abandoned before 3 goals had been scored, then the bet would not be unconditionally determined, because it is possibe that 3 or more goals could have been scored had the match been completed, hence the bet would be void.

Glad AllYouBet realised & corrected their mistake without too much fuss!

[chemicalbrother]

Another prob with a situation like this is....What's gonna stop some dipshit fan from trying to control the outcome of his wager. For example look at Wed's early champs league game. A few flares get thrown on the pitch and the match nearly gets suspended. All it takes is a clever better in the stands to chuck a few road flairs onto the pitch if it's currently a 2-1 game and he took the under, in hopes of getting the bet canceled!

I know some of us degens have definitely contemplated cutting the power supply or something just as sinister to get a game cancelled if it's already a lost bet!

sort of like taking out a loan of 300 points and stiffing?

yeah, sort of like entering into a contract to pay back a loan of 300 points and then ignoring their repeated attempts to get you to live up to your end of the deal and sending your 6 points/day to the sportsbook?

something like that, right?

[lukahh]

Another prob with a situation like this is....What's gonna stop some dipshit fan from trying to control the outcome of his wager. For example look at Wed's early champs league game. A few flares get thrown on the pitch and the match nearly gets suspended. All it takes is a clever better in the stands to chuck a few road flairs onto the pitch if it's currently a 2-1 game and he took the under, in hopes of getting the bet canceled!

good question. i think individual bettor won't do it for his 300 eur, but a syndicate might hire someone to act in case set-up result goes wrong.
either the setups work very well or we will start seeing this interference occasionally.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Glad to see the correct ruling was made......me personally, I would be fine with taking the loss if I had an under, it went over and then the game was cut short......When it hits 3 goals, anything that happens after that is irrelevant in my eyes

[cobra_king]

I'll admit that it appears I was wrong on this, though I'm surprised by the ruling. My posts were in no way an attempt to discredit you or your attempt to get paid, and I'm glad that you did get your money out of this situation.