Maybe the last thread about "greedy" Books?

[ABEHONEST]

Okay, seems this particular page on SBR, everyone is satisified with their Books and how they handle your money, well, investment money? Or, is it you don't know what to do about it, or, just don't care?

I wish some expertize gambler [not those Bookie lovers] would at least make an attempt and explain why our modern computer Books have to change their tough lines like a baby with diarrhea?

Okay, we have Air Force at Navy. Must be a hotty of a game, huh? That line has changed so many times i can hardly set in my seat without falling out. Where's sense in all this?

BOOKMAKER: opened navy at 2 1/2 -10 cents either way. Then...huge fall to 2 1/2 -05, big jump to 3-05 [ get on this one] , still going 3-10, whoops, bottom fell out..2 1/2 -10...2-10..2 1/2-10....2 1/2 -05...somebody then jumped all over that number because it went tp 3-05...still hot..3-10..no...2-10...off the board, somebody must have dumped a load? Back again at....My God! 3-15, whoops 2-15...3-15...3-10..presently sitting on 3-10 .Hey I could go on forever with this "small-time" bs!

PINNACLE: I was going to do them too, but I'm already worn out.

I remember when Books toed the line with their numbers and held their ground! Probably using 10, 15, or even 20 cent lines for their defense in those days. Well, until some genius found a way to seek a concrete methods of never losing. First, you charge extra if you move the line from 3 to 3 1/2. Put the heavy juice on that + 3 1/2 and let them get a bargain at the -3 1/2. Now, that might even be fair?

I believe that was the first brainstorm to possibly blunt any possible winners. Now, we also do this with our lines!
We Books also get the most accurate information possibly for any individual game on and any sport, thanks to our computers of today.
And, we will not relent on our domination of odds making and complicated rules until we run out of players.

WE[Books] appreciate how many rookie players go along with everything we throw at them. Throw a few scraps to them and they believe they are getting a bargain. Well, until the ol' lady finds out you've lost their retirement savings. Then, it sinks home, a little late though, that this guy here, Abe, knew exactly what he was "warning' us about.

Keep on kissing their hineys and watch you funds disappear. That is a guarantee!

[Hareeba!]

nutter

[ABEHONEST]

Get on this one Hareeba...Navy went to 3-05!

[Hareeba!]

Get on this one Hareeba...Navy went to 3-05!

which proves precisely what?

if you were a long time seasoned punter you would surely know that every day across all sports there are significant movers ... it's a global market out there ... people have different opinions .. there are arbers chiming in all the time ... most bookies, like the exchanges, purely react to the punters' plays ... they are effectively only middle men between you and I

[BranchDavidian]

I don't understand Abe's point either. So the books keep changing their odds. So what. If you don't like a change that has taken place, you can refuse to place a bet, or you can bet the other side at better odds. Let me see if I can understand Abe' issue. OK, suppose your book has a team at +110 and you think that is a good bet. Before you can get the bet down, it changes to +100. Now you think the book has been unfair to you because they have taken a good bet and turned it into a bad bet? Is that your point? This is how the books have all the advantages now with computers, allowing books to quickly change lines, whereas in the past the lines wouldn't change as quickly? If that is your point, then perhaps I can agree that books maybe have made it a little harder for their customers to get +EV bets down. I don't know how fast lines moved 50 years ago. But the bottom line is that the books have to keep up with the times just as the bettors keep getting more sophisticated. It would be great sfor "us" gamblers if books were not able to change their lines at all. However, after about a week, all the sportsbooks would be broke, and you would have nowhere to place any more bets. The constant line changing isn't the books taking advantage of you, Abe. It is only the books leveling the playing field so that you don't take advantage of them.

[ABEHONEST]

That's a good one Branch! Taking advantage of a Bookie with any 5 or 10 cent move!

No B-lover, I want a line to be moved only when truly necessary. Any fool knows that they overdo all those odds changes by 20 fold.

Guys like you are the reason they get by with it.

If sports gamblers would stick together and DEMAND no changes after one change for at least 2 minutes, we all could relax not have to live on pins and needles trying beat the next "dumb" change. Actually, that's a good deal for these, evidently, nervous Books, too?

To believe those changes mean something "every" time [ or dime ], is a sign of a rookie's opinion.

Just hold the MKR for while, you nervous chickens!

[C.S.]

Abe,
There's so many different answers to your many questions. I'll use your last post in this example.

If sports gamblers would stick together and DEMAND no changes after one change for at least 2 minutes, we all could relax not have to live on pins and needles trying beat the next "dumb" change. Actually, that's a good deal for these, evidently, nervous Books, too?

Say its NCAAF, Game is -2, Betting Syndicate #1 comes in and grabs all the -2 out there.
Then Syndicate #2 who was going to play the same game realizes the -2 is gone, but still decides to get -2' and -3 for as much as they can.
On the first hit, the books quickly moved to -2', then when the second group comes in some go to 3 and juice while others go to -3'.
Then all the chasers and people who look for off numbers come in and grab what -2' and -3 is out there. The game closes -4 at kickoff.
You want the books to get hit at -2 and keep it there for two minutes, giving every customer that comes along in that time period a price that is fair better than the true market value?
How is that fair? If books did that you wouldn't have many left to play at (if any at all).

[BrianLaverty]

Corey, don't even bother trying to explain it to Abe. He doesn't have a fuckin clue.... If books did things his way, every book would go broke and there would be no industry left

[BET THE HOOK]

What a thread. Who gives a damn if a line is -2 or even -2.5 because a field goal covers each number. When I shop numbers its hooks like 3.5,4.5,7.5 etc. It doesn't matter otherwise 90% of the time and I come out GOOD.

[C.S.]

What a thread. Who gives a damn if a line is -2 or even -2.5 because a field goal covers each number. .

geez... the example was showing that if books did it Abe's way how players could bet lines that otherwise they'd never be able to get i.e laying 2 or 2' rather than 3. I agree though, we should tell the odds makers to skip over from 2 right to 3, cause 2' is a dead number and a field goal covers each number.


But it's been noted. Thanks for "sharpening" up the thread.

[ABEHONEST]

Abe, There's so many different answers to your many questions. I'll use your last post in this example. Say its NCAAF, Game is -2, Betting Syndicate #1 comes in and grabs all the -2 out there. Then Syndicate #2 who was going to play the same game realizes the -2 is gone, but still decides to get -2' and -3 for as much as they can. On the first hit, the books quickly moved to -2', then when the second group comes in some go to 3 and juice while others go to -3'. Then all the chasers and people who look for off numbers come in and grab what -2' and -3 is out there. The game closes -4 at kickoff. You want the books to get hit at -2 and keep it there for two minutes, giving every customer that comes along in that time period a price that is fair better than the true market value? How is that fair? If books did that you wouldn't have many left to play at (if any at all).

Trying not to disrespect these guys, but I have to believe they are fairly new to the game of sports gambling?

What is a fair market line, guy? Just because someone or a group grabs that 2, doesn't mean diddle until the final score comes in. How do you think the old Books survived? They held their lines and collected the juice, most of the time. That was the days of either no computers, or the early stage of computers?

This is why they sock the juice to you! They always have an ACE in the hole, regardless what you think you're holding. Their big edge is guaranteed, yours is not.

There is the big difference in those mathematics!
* Survive long enough and you'll see the light.

[Hareeba!]

my view is that punters hold the advantage if they are smart ... they don't have to bet if they don't like the line or odds ... the bookies by and large are obliged to bet on every event whether they really want to or not

[ABEHONEST]

my view is that punters hold the advantage if they are smart ... they don't have to bet if they don't like the line or odds ... the bookies by and large are obliged to bet on every event whether they really want to or not

Yeah, I thought was pretty smart last football season, too. That is until Romo went down early in the 2nd quarter against the Giants. I was well on my way to a very good chance of a record day. Well, the Cowboys didn't cover the spread at the first half, even though they were up, I think, 21/10 and driving on the Giants for another score. Up jumps the devil and takes "hot" Romo out of the game, and my "punters edge" went right out the window.

I was intending on putting all the winnings on Giants and over the second half--and they did cover that parlay-- however, who knows what would have happened if Romo doesn't go down? I never recovered from that loss!

Did you boys figure in the DEVIL'S juice, too?

[Frank]

95% of the books move on air and probably didn't take a single bet anyways.

If 2005 NFL favorites happened again, half the offshore books would be out of existence.

Boot or limit all sharp action......

Never move on action no matter how heavy you are on a game.......

Move to what Pinny, Cris or Greek got no matter if your flooded on other side....

2011 offshore bookie handbook.

A clerk and a secretary could run book these days........rather pathetic.

[sharpcircle]

Frank,

You are right books are mostly spineless now.

[C.S.]

95% of the books move on air and probably didn't take a single bet anyways.

I don't know about most other books. Where I work, 80% of the time when the screen goes red we had 1 (of our 5 or 6 movers) that hit the number 30 seconds before it moved on DB.
A lot of the time when I see guys saying there were limited for being too sharp on here, it's only that they are watching the screen trying to chase the moves.
I know from your posts on here you're well aware of the system Frank. However, I think more than 5% of the books are getting hit when the screen blows up.
IMO

[ABEHONEST]

Hmm, wonder if the screen blew up when Fresno stomped Idaho?

[ehp6737]

Fuk, I lost my abehonest decoder ring. Can someone translate this thread for me?

[Frank]

I don't know about most other books. Where I work, 80% of the time when the screen goes red we had 1 (of our 5 or 6 movers) that hit the number 30 seconds before it moved on DB.
A lot of the time when I see guys saying there were limited for being too sharp on here, it's only that they are watching the screen trying to chase the moves.
I know from your posts on here you're well aware of the system Frank. However, I think more than 5% of the books are getting hit when the screen blows up.
IMO

Sure more than 5% get hit when the screen blacks out.

Minor moves are follow the leader on air.

I find it quite funny when you bet into a widely available number and they don't budge but the second Pinny moves, they move. Then they label you and cut limits because the market moves hours or days later.

Inability to manage lines is either laziness or incompetence.

Lets just deal whatever Pinny has and hope enough people lose.

The books that know how to book will make mad bank, the copycat books will eventually fail in the long run.

[ABEHONEST]

Fuk, I lost my abehonest decoder ring. Can someone translate this thread for me?

Okay, for all the ones that snoozed through the meaning of this: That was the hottest game of the college season, I believe? The line dropped like our recent stock market.
Who covers? I know, and any gambler or Bookie [ are half these guys Books?] in the World should know?

PM me for paid sports lessons.

[Hareeba!]

Okay, for all the ones that snoozed through the meaning of this: That was the hottest game of the college season, I believe? The line dropped like our recent stock market.
Who covers? I know, and any gambler or Bookie [ are half these guys Books?] in the World should know?

PM me for paid sports lessons.

right or wrong about that game it really is an irrelevance to the silly topic you started here

[ABEHONEST]

right or wrong about that game it really is an irrelevance to the silly topic you started here

That's how much you know, Rook. I've been around long enough to believe in "ringer" games, set up by lovey-dovey Books, who seem to flock together nowadays in order to smother we good gamblers to death. That last statement isn't meant for Book sympathizers.

[Hareeba!]

That's how much you know, Rook. I've been around long enough to believe in "ringer" games, set up by lovey-dovey Books, who seem to flock together nowadays in order to smother we good gamblers to death. That last statement isn't meant for Book sympathizers.

what a loser!!
you really should stop betting if you believe even half the crap you post
and btw .. I reckon I've been punting at least as long as you have

[Bobby D]

That's a good one Branch! Taking advantage of a Bookie with any 5 or 10 cent move!

No B-lover, I want a line to be moved only when truly necessary. Any fool knows that they overdo all those odds changes by 20 fold.

Guys like you are the reason they get by with it.

If sports gamblers would stick together and DEMAND no changes after one change for at least 2 minutes, we all could relax not have to live on pins and needles trying beat the next "dumb" change. Actually, that's a good deal for these, evidently, nervous Books, too?

To believe those changes mean something "every" time [ or dime ], is a sign of a rookie's opinion.

Just hold the MKR for while, you nervous chickens!

You don't think CRIS and Pinnacle know how to Book ?? LOL.

[BET THE HOOK]

LiveChat Tony at 5dimes and ask his opinion on the topic and I bet is exactly the opposite of what you would think.

[5mike5]

is this guy for real?? surely hes a little nuts right?? is abe joking?? god i hope so

[ABEHONEST]

It appears I have too much experience for you, mostly young Rooks, and them not wanting to face the music , plus, kissin' Books asses, I'm afraid I must retire from this thread.

Where the hell or the old betting warriors? The one's know all the trappings of sports gambling? I guess I see now why they don't respond? Too many Rooks on the playing deck.

[C.S.]

is this guy for real?? surely hes a little nuts right?? is abe joking?? god i hope so

I used to think it was for real... but after his last post, I'm 99.9% sure he's having fun trolling the boards. Either way makes for good reading.

[Monte]

95% of the books move on air and probably didn't take a single bet anyways.

If 2005 NFL favorites happened again, half the offshore books would be out of existence.

Boot or limit all sharp action......

Never move on action no matter how heavy you are on a game.......

Move to what Pinny, Cris or Greek got no matter if your flooded on other side....

2011 offshore bookie handbook.

A clerk and a secretary could run book these days........rather pathetic.

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