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  • smallon
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-28-07
    • 232

    #1
    5Dimes Payout Problem
    I originally funded my 5Dimes account via Western Union. I made two withdrawls since this deposit and no further deposits. I've made around $600 in the past three weeks...nothing huge.

    Anyway...I go to withdraw $290 today to my Moneybookers account. I used Moneybookers the two times before and received my funds promptly. I go in to check and make sure my payout had been made - guess what, rejected.

    So this is what happens:

    (Long story short - even tho I made two other transfers to my Moneybookers account, Matt has told me I am unable to do so.) Pretty ty attitude and I plan on transferring all my funds to Pinnacle because I don't need this sort of grief for what is a relatively small amount.)

    Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.
    Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Stephanie'
    Stephanie: Hello. How may I assist you today?
    Scott: Hello
    Scott: I just checked a payout
    Scott: and found I "Must withdraw via Moneygram or Fed-X
    Scott: WHY
    Stephanie: Let me check your account, just a moment
    Scott: I transferred money into the account via Western Union
    Scott: and have Moneybookers
    Scott: and have received two transfers via Moneybookers already
    Scott: I have had no funds in my Moneybookers which is why I used **
    Scott: I don't want a Fed-X or a Moneygram
    Scott: I want to use Moneybookers
    Scott: If I wanted a Moneygram or Fed-X I would hav asked for it
    Scott: since you've done it twice befor ethere should be no reason why not to do it again
    Stephanie: I am going to transfer you over to my supervisor
    Chat InformationPlease wait while I transfer the chat to 'Matt'.
    Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Matt'
    Scott: ok
    Matt: Hello Scott
    Scott: hello
    Matt: ok
    Matt: we found a payment request of yours, Moneybookers I believe..
    Matt: i also found that, in the past, we've already sent MB payouts to you...
    Scott: I've had two others processed this month
    Scott: yes
    Matt: but, what we don't find, is a reason for us to have done so n the first place...
    Scott: it's my money, right?
    Scott: I had no funds in Moneybookers before
    Scott: so I used Western Union
    Matt: indeed, you have not funded to us with MB, and that is requirement to us
    Scott: I have Moneybookers and this is one of the withdrawl methods you obviously accept
    Scott: and have let me use twice before
    Scott: well then you shouldn't ahve done it before
    Matt: yes, why have why?
    Matt: i need an explanation
    Scott: what do you need explained?
    Matt: again, you are required to deposit with it if you expect us to pay to one MB account
    Scott: YOU - 5 Dimes didn't have a problem with me using Moneybookers to withdraw before
    Matt: otherwise, we don't do it, unless a good reason is pointed out
    Scott: so you shouldn't have one now
    Matt: well
    Matt: i need one
    Scott: I didn't give one before
    Matt: otherwise I am not processing it
    Scott: I don't want Moneygram
    Scott: or Fed-X
    Scott: I want Moneybookers because I need funds in the account
    Matt: well Scott
    Scott: you didnt' have a problem with this before
    Scott: but you're having it now
    Matt: it's all very nice what you want, but I need an explanation, otherwise I cannot let another MB payout happen
    Scott: is a major pain
    Scott: WHAT EXPLANATION
    Matt: seems you don't have one, except, you want it that way sir
    Matt: and unfortunately, that doesn't serve our rules right
    Scott: What do you want explained?
    Matt: if you wish us send any money MB way, you need deposit MB
    Scott: Why didn't 5Dimes need an explanation before?
    Matt: otherwise, cheque is what we can send
    Matt: that I'd like to know
    Scott: well then you shouldn't have set a precedent for sending one without
    Matt: we never do this
    Scott: I don't want a check
    Scott: you did twice this month
    Scott: If I ahve to
    Scott: you did it twice and there was absolutely ZERO problem
    Scott: the transfers went thru
    Matt: well Scott
    Matt: I am telling you
    Matt: it matters now
    Scott: you say you never do this Matt but you have already
    Scott: well - that's not going to cut it
    Matt: and you are failing in giving a good reason, so, even if you had MB processed out before
    Matt: there is no reason why we should again
    Scott: You know WHAT REASON DO YOU WANT?
    Scott: It's my moeny
    Scott: money
    Scott: I shouldn't ahve to sweat the payouy
    Matt: I will consult this with our general manager Tony, although, i doubt he'll agree
    Matt: well Scott
    Scott: well
    Matt: we have rules
    Scott: you should speak with Tony
    Matt: and you will comply with them too
    Scott: thenh follow them
    Scott: then follow them
    Matt: I am sorry you're not liking it
    Scott: no
    Scott: I'm not
    Scott: and rules should be followed all the time - not just whenever you want
    Matt: exactly
    Scott: well
    Scott: you had no problem before
    Scott: but since I'm winning
    Matt: again Scott
    Scott: it seems you do
    Matt: I am not allowing it
    Scott: I would like to speak with Tony thne
    Scott: then
    Matt: so, unless Tony says otherwise, you'll need request a different type
    Matt: you won't, I will
    Scott: You're an A-rated book and you're doing this to me?
    Matt: you can contact us later if you want
    Scott: No
    Scott: I want action NOW
    Matt: that's exactly why Scott
    Scott: and I want to use Moneybookers
    Scott: I'm allowed
    Scott: I ave done it before
    Scott: and you have no reason
    Scott: why not to allow me
    Scott: If need be
    Matt: because we are A plus, not ANy book that allows payouts to happen just because, even if violating our rules
    Scott: I will speak to the Sports Book Review about your arbitrary enforcement of your rules
    Scott: but I want my money
    Matt: I've given you enough reason, again, the fact you don't like my decision comes simply from me now allowing what you had done before, even thou it by passed our rules
    Scott: or to speak to your supervisor
    Matt: so, I am sorry, but you will need wait
    Scott: I didn't ahve to give a reason before
    Scott: so why now?
    Scott: My reason is this
    Matt: Scott
    Scott: I want to have money in my Moneybookers
    Scott: so if I want to use other books I can!
    Matt: i am not going over this again and again simply because you wish to show hardheadedness towards my decision
    Scott: hardheadeness?
    Scott: you allowed me before
    Matt: Oh, that reminds me, you can also do book to book transfers
    Matt: indeed
    Scott: and do you charge?
    Scott: you obviously don't want my business
    Matt: well, you'd need have $500.00 at least for that
    Scott: well
    Matt: and no, we do not charge fees for that
    Scott: then I want to use Moneybookers
    Scott: you charged me $15 before
    Matt: stop assuming things please Scott
    Scott: assuming?
    Matt: and simply take my words as what they are
    Scott: GIVE ME A REASON
    Matt: until Tony says otherwise, we will not be processing another MB
    Scott: WHY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING A MONEYBOOKERS TRANSFER
    Scott: WHEN YOU ALLOWED IT BEFORE
    Matt: because it shouldn't have happened in the first place
    Matt: and I am stoppingit
    Scott: welll it did
    Matt: so
    Scott: and I tell you what
    Scott: transfer ALL my funds
    Matt: contact us in a few hours if you'd like
    Scott: no
    Scott: I want action now3
    Matt: or, we'll email you with the decision
    Scott: I have bets to place
    Scott: nope
    Matt: you can play if you want
    Scott: then put me thru to a supervisor
    Matt: the money IS in your account
    Scott: I don't want to
    Matt: no payours would be allowed thou
    Scott: I want the $290
    Scott: well
    Matt: sir, again, you're speaking to me
    Matt: stop acting as if you didn't know what you've been told
    Scott: your suprvisor
    Matt: and please, don't waste my time either
    Matt: I have other chores to tend to
    Matt: contact us later if you want
    Scott: giveme my money
    Scott: send it to Moneybookers - all of the funds
    Matt: a cheque we can process
    Scott: and I'll close my account
    Matt: no
    Scott: NO CHECK
    Matt: anything else?
    Scott: I dont want a check
    Scott: supervisor
    Matt: Scott, you don't get to choose this
    Scott: Tony
    Matt: that's what you forget
    Scott: well I did before
    Matt: right, for god knows what reasons then
    Scott: and your service is deplorable
    Scott: TWICE
    Scott: TWICE
    Scott: not once
    Scott: TWICE
    Matt: i don't care about that scott
    Matt: i am not allowing it
    Matt: so again
    Scott: is there something that says
    Scott: I must deposit with Moneybookers?
    Matt: contact us back in you wish check on Tony's view
    Scott: I didn't see it
    Scott: I would like to speak to him NOW
    Matt: not feasible
    Scott: well - then transfer my funds
    Matt: now if anything else, I have other things to do
    Matt: ?
    Scott: you're makign a mistake
    Matt: no
    Scott: really
    Scott: your reason is this
    Scott: I want money in my Moneybookers
    Matt: Scott, I am not intimidated by your approach, you don't seem to understand that
    Matt: so, wait for our reply
    Scott: I don't care
    Matt: if you still wish it moneybookers that is
    Scott: not trying to intimidate you
    Scott: I do
    Matt: really
    Matt: anyhoo
    Matt: not my current cares
    Matt: again
    Scott: I want to use Moneybookers and I am taking all the money out
    Matt: contact us in a while
    Scott: your attitude is poor
    Scott: how long
    Matt: well, if Tony permits then yes
    Matt: otherwise, you'll have to request another type
    Scott: and if I win my wagers that money is coming out too
    Scott: I don't need this when I can use books like Pinnacle or Matchbook or The Greek
    Scott: I don't need you - you need me
    Scott: and your service sucks
    Scott: unfortunate
    Scott: because I like 5Dimes other than this
    Matt: your viewes are erred Scott, but again, you're entitled to your opinion as is anyone
    Scott: erred?
    Scott: if you let someone withdraw
    Scott: via Moneybookers
    Scott: TWICE NO LESS
    Scott: then there is no reason why you should then tell them, "sorry, no can do."
    Matt: Scott, I don't require you lecturing me on how we do things...
    Scott: I'm surprised
    Scott: very surprised at this service
    Matt: so, if you don't mind, i have other things to do
    Scott: I'll check back in two hours
    Scott: thank you
    Matt: thank you
    Matt: i'll see you then
  • smallon
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-28-07
    • 232

    #2
    This guy is a total asshole!!!

    Scott: excuse me
    Scott: is there someone still here?
    Matt: yes?
    Scott: Why was I charged for the first Moneybooker withdrawls
    Scott: one free per month, correct?
    Matt: if not requested when intended for free payouts, then, you will be charged
    Scott: It doesn't say that
    Scott: but whatever
    Scott: I'm requesting it for this one
    Scott: not only this
    Matt: well
    Matt: you need to wait for monday for that, and of course, for tony's reply
    Matt: or
    Scott: I can't seem to find the information that states in order to make a Moneybookers withdrawl I must have made my deposit via moneybookers
    Matt: you can request it as cheque also, that can also be for free on mondays
    Scott: I'd rather pay the $15
    Scott: I dont want a check
    Matt: Scott, I don't care if you bring down the whole site's legends trying to pull off a "law inconsistency"
    Matt: it's how we do it
    Scott: ok - say what you want Matt
    Scott: I want my withdrawl via Moneybookers
    Matt: and now, I hope you have further reason -or valid- to address me, I am indeed busy
    Matt: and it does say it
    Matt: http://www.5dimes.com/PopUpsFromChart/Moneybookers.html
    Scott: so am I - trying to get MY MONEY from you
    Scott: read it
    Scott: it doesn't say a thing
    Matt: specially the part that says: "
    Matt: All our customers must cash out using the same mechanisms employed in depositing. "
    Matt: Scott, I am not going to play kindergarden teacher here...
    Matt: i don't have the time
    Scott: about it my depositing the funds as a prerequisite for withdrawing to Moneybookers
    Matt: so please, if something legit to argue, do so
    Matt: otherwise, don't waste my time
    Scott: That's not on that page Matt
    Matt: it is so
    Matt: read carefully
    Scott: All I know is
    Matt: anything else?
    Scott: I won
    Scott: and I want my money via Moneybookers
    Scott: and it should not be a problem
    Scott: you want a reason matt
    Matt: good for you
    Scott: my reason is this
    Matt: we'll wait
    Scott: you allowed two transfers
    Scott: in good faith you should allow another
    Scott: in the future, I understand if this is the case
    Matt: thing is, you don't evoke good faith Scott
    Scott: but - your attitude is really abrasive
    Scott: Why?
    Scott: I made the moeny
    Scott: I am DUE
    Scott: don't tell me
    Matt: maybe, had you ask in a civilized fashion, i could have turned a blind spot on this one
    Scott: I haven't evoked good faith pal
    Scott: uh
    Matt: just happens, you have some very nice attitude about things
    Scott: Just get it done
    Matt: so, is not going to happen that way
    Scott: please
    Matt: no
    Matt: too late for that Scott
    Scott: Well
    Matt: we're asking Tony
    Matt: so
    Matt: we'll wait
    Scott: have it your way - when am I going to know?
    Matt: when we do
    Scott: WHEN
    Matt: try again in a few hours if you want
    Scott: give me a time
    Matt: don't guarantee his answer will be given
    Matt: as soon as available, it will be given to you
    Scott: so you're jerkign me around on my payout
    Scott: ok
    Matt: no
    Scott: I've had it with you pakl
    Scott: pal
    Matt: i am telling you we need to wait
    Scott: I shouldn't ahve to wait my friend
    Matt: whatever other opinion, is entirely yours
    Scott: And they're strong opinions
    Matt: oh, but I am afraid so
    Scott: ok - like I said
    Scott: have it your way
    Matt: invalid, as far as I am concerned
    Scott: I use many sites and I know this is inappropriate of you
    Scott: invalid?
    Scott: what is invalid?
    Scott: my opinion?
    Matt: talk to you in two hours Scott
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    • bigboydan
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-10-05
      • 55420

      #3
      According to there rules, you have to withdraw your funds the same way you deposited them sir.
      Comment
      • smallon
        SBR High Roller
        • 04-28-07
        • 232

        #4
        Then why would they allow me to make two withdrawls via Moneybookers? And I don't see anything about this in their Moneybookers section.
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        • SexyMit
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-12-06
          • 6139

          #5
          Well I have deposited via check online. And I read that they can process the money and put your winnings right back in your bank acct. That is the way I deposited and you say that I get paid the same way I deposited but they said they do not allow them to put it back in my bank acct?
          If it seems to good to be true it usually is!!

          I have a natural instinct to exploit market ineffieciencies!!
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          • bigboydan
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 08-10-05
            • 55420

            #6
            Originally posted by smallon
            Then why would they allow me to make two withdrawls via Moneybookers? And I don't see anything about this in their Moneybookers section.
            I always was informed that the rule was the deposit method is suppose to be the same as the withdraw.

            Here is what it would fall under IMO.

            5Dimes is not to be used as a "go-between" for money movement between processors or other operations.
            Now I did notice that they did change this rule recently:

            There have been 1 changes from Friday, May 30, 2008 to Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008
            You can see view the recorded change in the SBR rules monitor
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            • smallon
              SBR High Roller
              • 04-28-07
              • 232

              #7
              Originally posted by SexyMit
              Well I have deposited via check online. And I read that they can process the money and put your winnings right back in your bank acct. That is the way I deposited and you say that I get paid the same way I deposited but they said they do not allow them to put it back in my bank acct?
              ???? Arai na?
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