Betonline accuses player of chipdumping and confiscates $3900

WVU · 07-15-11, 07:35 PM

I suspect the player has filed a dispute here at SBR. It will be interesting to see the evidence of chip dumping. If the chips were not bonus chips I don't see how the guy's entire balance can be confiscated. Who is the victim? The book doesn't deserve to profit 4k off of their claim.

Santo · 07-15-11, 07:38 PM

This was brought over to PP/OGD from Covers it seems.

As for who's the victim -- we need to find out why there was chip dumping in the first place. If there wasn't a motive for doing it, the players wouldn't have done so. Reversing the hands may be a potential solution, with penalty applied.

Unless it was one-on-one there are also potential collusion issues that may have impacted on others at the tables.

WVU · 07-15-11, 07:45 PM

yeah I pulled this from Covers via OGD. The hand histories should tell all. It is tough to prove chip dumping unless those involved are idiots which may very well be the case. Assuming bonus dollars weren't involved it is very possible SBR will rule that BOL cannot fine the player the entire $3900 for "illegally" moving funds.

SBR Lou · 07-15-11, 07:46 PM

I received this complaint.

The player was dishonest with us initially on multiple fronts, the largest that he had absolutely no idea who he was playing against in the poker room. BetOnline produced a clear log showing that 1. the totality of his play/winnings were against a player that A. shared the same physical address, B. shared the same IP address and C. both accounts were created the same day.

Once we brought this to the player's attention, he hasn't been heard from since.

WVU · 07-15-11, 07:47 PM

lol whoops. Are they still in the right to confiscate the entire balance? Were bonuses involved?

Trident · 07-15-11, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Lou

I received this complaint.

The player was dishonest with us initially on multiple fronts, the largest that he had absolutely no idea who he was playing against in the poker room. BetOnline produced a clear showing that 1. the totality of his play/winnings were against a player that A. shared the same physical address, B. shared the same IP address and C. both accounts were created the same day.

Once we brought this to the player's attention, he hasn't been heard from since.

20/1 says the losing player deposited with a CC.

SBR Lou · 07-15-11, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Trident

20/1 says the losing player deposited with a CC.

Unless the player decides to challenge something more publicly, we won't provide additional comment other than to say that this was basically one of the most inept attempts at a scam in recent memory.

Trident · 07-15-11, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Lou

Unless the player decides to challenge something more publicly, we won't provide additional comment other than to say that this was basically one of the most inept attempts at a scam in recent memory.

I'll take that as a yes.

WVU · 07-15-11, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Lou

Unless the player decides to challenge something more publicly, we won't provide additional comment other than to say that this was basically one of the most inept attempts at a scam in recent memory.

Thanks Lou. These dumb scammers give us legit scammers a bad name.

MendozaLine · 07-15-11, 08:03 PM

WVU · 07-15-11, 08:17 PM

Lou, sorry to put SBR on the spot with this thread. I didn't even realize you guys were hanging their banner

cranzter · 07-15-11, 09:40 PM

I have necer had an issue with BetOnline, somethime their customer service is slow but that is it.

Monte · 07-15-11, 10:49 PM

Poor scammed bookies, how much of the 5k was free money for them after confiscating?
What was the reason to do this anyway, did the first account get a bonus or something?
Why the hell do they never mention the reason that their "risk department" thinks this was done for, maybe cos it would show that they make some nice free money over a $100 scam?

tomcowley · 07-15-11, 10:57 PM

I would guess double account, chipdump, ********** the loser's deposit(s) from what is described. If that's the case, they're not actually stealing anything, so w/e. I don't have any sympathy for punishing chipdumping in general though.

Trident · 07-15-11, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by tomcowley

I would guess double account, chipdump, ********** the loser's deposit(s) from what is described. If that's the case, they're not actually stealing anything, so w/e. I don't have any sympathy for punishing chipdumping in general though.

If the second player would have gotten his payout the book would be out the amount the other player charged back to his CC so yes they are stealing from the book.

mtneer1212 · 07-15-11, 11:17 PM

I love it when amateurs think they can scam books, then have SBR rescue them.

tomcowley · 07-15-11, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Trident

If the second player would have gotten his payout the book would be out the amount the other player charged back to his CC so yes they are stealing from the book.

I meant BoL wasn't stealing anything by zeroing the balances. Actually, they might be stealing the second guy's $100, but if it's the scam described, it's questionable if that wouldn't have been charged back too (and is almost sure to be now), legitimate costs of the **********, etc.

WVU · 07-16-11, 12:30 AM

Just for full disclosure purposes, the poster in question has been banned from posting here at SBR. I don't really thing that is fair on a 1-2 day old dispute, but whatever.

WVU · 07-16-11, 12:38 AM

hi Lou can you ask them to show you proof that it was same physical address
because i am the only person living at my apartment that play poker online or
bet online so i believe they are ling to you i have here an attach link to
covers.com where i have explain and have every email they emailed me
http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=9&sub=101090842 i
am jpham4 on covers.com

This is exactly what happened i went and deposit 100 via ** to betonline to play
poker and bet on sports and i sat down at a table and played with a guy named
klam90 won almost 5000 from him within a 2 hour period the next day i bet on
baseball and wnba and lost back almost 1300 back i had already made a request to
withdraw 2500 via ** then i went back and made another request for 800 via **. I
then get an email saying they have 3 registered people name jimmy pham and
needed me to send in my utility bill and id which i did and that cleared and my
account was unsuspended but then the next day i get an email asking me to
explain it i was committing fraud with another player which i wasnt and i
explain that i didnt and dont know any other player that play on betonline and
that i would never do anything to like that i just wanted my money and i was
told my money was always safe with them but then the say they are closing my
account and confiscating my money

if you have any other questions lou please contact me i will be happy to explain
more if needed i just want whats left in my account which is about 3900.00

thanks for your help

---- Lou <Lou@sportsbookreview.com> wrote:
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> I've been informed the bulk of your winnings came against someone with the
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> We really can't help if you won't tell us everything.
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> Best regards,
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WVU · 07-16-11, 12:44 AM

jimmy post:

I provided him with an email telling him my account was suspended earliar in the day becuase they said i had 2 accounts on their with the same name and address and i sent them a power bill stating my address and my name which is jimmy pham to my acknowledged when i talked to customer service the player they are accussing me of cheating with was name khanh lam i mean other then the am at the end of each last name i see the similarairty and they said i share IP address was false.