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  • durito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-03-06
    • 13173

    #106
    Hareeba utility: More Money < Less Money
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    • durito
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-03-06
      • 13173

      #107
      I wish you knew how close matchbook came to stiffing you and everyone else.
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      • BrickJames
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 05-05-11
        • 9749

        #108
        Originally posted by durito
        I wish you knew how close matchbook came to stiffing you and everyone else.
        How close?
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        • Hareeba!
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 07-01-06
          • 37301

          #109
          Originally posted by BrickJames
          How close?
          as if he has any idea at all
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          • durito
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-03-06
            • 13173

            #110
            best price on nadal

            pinny? nope, betfair? nope, matchbook no, sbo no, any euro book lol

            must be one of those worthless us books
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            • Hareeba!
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 07-01-06
              • 37301

              #111
              Originally posted by durito
              best price on nadal

              pinny? nope, betfair? nope, matchbook no, sbo no, any euro book lol

              must be one of those worthless us books
              what price ?
              and how much can you get on for ?
              I can get 1.43
              not that I'd bet at those odds anyway
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              • evo34
                SBR MVP
                • 11-09-08
                • 1032

                #112
                So there is no way to beat MLB sides? Market simply too efficient? I guess my long-term ROI on MLB sides is sheer variance.


                Originally posted by Justin7
                Hareeba, You're out of your league here. The golden rule: the more you can bet at a number, the tougher that number is to beat. The smaller obscure books offer more EV (as a percentage of the bet) *because* the limits are lower. When limits get high, the sport's number becomes efficient, meaning unbeatable in the long run. I'd rather take $500 on an off-market number than $50000 at MB or Betfair with a 1-cent spread with no commission an hour before gametime. If you think the entire market is wrong on a liquid market (meaning 20k+ at a given bet), you're simply wrong. Betfair's liquidity makes it harder to beat. And if you haven't done your rounds with Bodog, or Betonline, or SIA, you're leaving money on the table.
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                • Hareeba!
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 07-01-06
                  • 37301

                  #113
                  Originally posted by evo34
                  So there is no way to beat MLB sides? Market simply too efficient? I guess my long-term ROI on MLB sides is sheer variance.
                  mine's obviously just sheer luck because I'm too stupid to understand any of this
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                  • Hareeba!
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 07-01-06
                    • 37301

                    #114
                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by durito
                    best price on nadal

                    pinny? nope, betfair? nope, matchbook no, sbo no, any euro book lol

                    must be one of those worthless us books


                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                    what price ?
                    and how much can you get on for ?
                    I can get 1.43
                    not that I'd bet at those odds anyway
                    1.45 now in Aus
                    Pinnacle 1.422
                    Matchbook 1.427
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                    • donjuan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 08-29-07
                      • 3993

                      #115
                      Originally posted by Hareeba!
                      Thanks but I'll stick with books I can trust Justin.
                      I've never lost a cent through a book's failure and don't intend to start now.
                      If you really make money gambling you are the biggest luckbox ever.
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                      • tachi
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 03-25-09
                        • 309

                        #116
                        Originally posted by donjuan
                        If you really make money gambling you are the biggest luckbox ever.
                        so using pointbet and bestake (a lot of +EV) is the way to make money from gambling?

                        is there some Kelly variation to calculate your stake by the risk of being robbed
                        by the bookmaker or disappearing of the bookie vs potential profits?
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                        • Hareeba!
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 07-01-06
                          • 37301

                          #117
                          Originally posted by donjuan
                          If you really make money gambling you are the biggest luckbox ever.
                          I agree, but I don't regard what I do as gambling.
                          Gamblers rely on luck to win.
                          I rely on maths.
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                          • donjuan
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-29-07
                            • 3993

                            #118
                            Originally posted by Hareeba!
                            I agree, but I don't regard what I do as gambling.
                            Gamblers rely on luck to win.
                            I rely on maths.
                            That's because you're a simpleton.
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                            • Hareeba!
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 07-01-06
                              • 37301

                              #119
                              Originally posted by donjuan
                              That's because you're a simpleton.
                              thanks genius

                              btw, what do you do for a living? ... rocket scientist, brain surgeon ?
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                              • donjuan
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-29-07
                                • 3993

                                #120
                                Shocking that you haven't figured it out by now.
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                                • Hareeba!
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 07-01-06
                                  • 37301

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by donjuan
                                  Shocking that you haven't figured it out by now.
                                  have you forgotten already?
                                  I'm a simpleton
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                                  • Dr.Gonzo
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 12-05-09
                                    • 4660

                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by Justin7
                                    And if you haven't done your rounds with Bodog, or Betonline, or SIA, you're leaving money on the table.
                                    We can't bet with the US Bodog. There is a shit Euro facing Bodog that is worthless available though.
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                                    • Thremp
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-23-07
                                      • 2067

                                      #123
                                      Why are mai posts being ignored?
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                                      • greenfieldtwo
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 05-19-11
                                        • 44

                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                        Thanks but I'll stick with books I can trust Justin. I've never lost a cent through a book's failure and don't intend to start now.
                                        agreed.
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                                        • Thremp
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-23-07
                                          • 2067

                                          #125
                                          You do realize that neither Pinnacle nor MB fit the "Hareeba Rules" about separation of player funds? Its pure speculation on his part. Considering the doubletalk MB engages in and its lack of interest in paying US customers (See PS), I can't see why anyone would defend the "reputation" of this company other than "Mild interest in repaying players THEIR OWN ******* MONEY, no management history"
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                                          • diverron
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 11-21-10
                                            • 12

                                            #126
                                            good thread.
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                                            • Thremp
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-23-07
                                              • 2067

                                              #127
                                              Always good for the lolz when Hareeba attempts to speculate on how professionals win money as opposed to his inane and basic level of trolling.
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                                              • patswin
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-05-06
                                                • 1794

                                                #128
                                                Originally posted by Justin7
                                                Hareeba,

                                                You're out of your league here.

                                                The golden rule: the more you can bet at a number, the tougher that number is to beat. The smaller obscure books offer more EV (as a percentage of the bet) *because* the limits are lower. When limits get high, the sport's number becomes efficient, meaning unbeatable in the long run.

                                                I'd rather take $500 on an off-market number than $50000 at MB or Betfair with a 1-cent spread with no commission an hour before gametime. If you think the entire market is wrong on a liquid market (meaning 20k+ at a given bet), you're simply wrong. Betfair's liquidity makes it harder to beat.

                                                And if you haven't done your rounds with Bodog, or Betonline, or SIA, you're leaving money on the table.
                                                good post justin
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                                                • BrigadierPudding
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 11-07-09
                                                  • 617

                                                  #129
                                                  One of The Greek's overnights tonight was off market by 4-7 cents for a good 45 minutes. Made me think of this thread.
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