Bet Jamaica Playing Shady

[gamble4heisman]

I understand bad lines are standardly 'cancelled' prior to the game (in some cases after). I have no problem with this if it is before.

In this case BetJamaica put up a soft prop which they Created and is not available for wager anywhere else on the net that i have found. The wager was Lebron james points, rebounds, assists over/under 37 -115. So i saw a good bet and hit the over for the max to win 250.

Now keep in mind that they created this prop themselves and posted it, then i see like 1/2 hour later that it isn't in my pending wagers, i'm like what so i call them. They changed it then to over under 47. I explain that i understand bad lines cant be honored (like if a book had the wizards at +5 tonight) and that is fine. I then explained this was a soft line not a bad line and he agreed with me. So i say then what is the problem? why was my bet cancelled? 'He says sir has the game started?' me: 'no' Him: 'well there is your answer'

So i'm like lines move against me all the time and i can't just cancel my bet. He agrees with everything but won't do shit. Now i understand and don't need to hear the 'offshores can and will do what they want' I say well the whole point of gambling is to find soft lines is it not? He agrees again.

the facts are this: 1. it was a soft line not a bad line that they created 2. in a world of uncertainty its pretty sad when a grade A+ book like betjamaica will just cancel a bet because they decide that their line is soft.

Comments please, am i wrong?

I've never had this happen, can SBR influence them or warn others in anyway, or help get this resolved

[Bill Dozer]

Welcome to the board G4H.

A line error is a valid complaint in itself and but when it is an obvious mistake before the event it falls under the category of inconvenience. Lebron averaged better numbers than that in his 2nd regular season in the league and his playoff averages 10 above that. Pricing that line would make it maybe -300 to -400 off? ...and an obvious error.

If you had seen a 43 out there that was no longer available you could make the case that the error cost you money but you could never have had action at 37 unless BJ didn't catch it.

[durito]

That was a bad line, not a soft line.

Lebron averaged 45.1 (pts+reb+ast) this season, 37 is way too far off.

[gamble4heisman]

OK, and true i agree, but books play angles too, yes his averages are this but now he is going on the road for a playoff game, books could be playing a side here.

examples: at the greek right now there is a prop for jameer nelson points and assists, over/under 20.5 it is currently -188 on the under. his averages were 17 on the road. making his average 17% less than the total posted.


5 dimes dwight howard over under 39.5 points and rebounds, his average is 35.

Its up to the player to decide if these lines have value on these prop bets that the books create. books try to draw action with lines how is this different?

Lebron averaged 44.5 on the road this year meaning the 37 posted was 17% lower than his average, and this isn't accounting for less points in a playoff game. that 17% is the same that the greek moved the line to -188 on the above nelson prop, please verify for me.

lebron is playing well, i saw the line and bet it, so i have made the comparisons to other props that are being honored at books owned by the same people.

so i ask, am i in the wrong?

[robmpink]

OK, and true i agree, but books play angles too, yes his averages are this but now he is going on the road for a playoff game, books could be playing a side here.

examples: at the greek right now there is a prop for jameer nelson points and assists, over/under 20.5 it is currently -188 on the under. his averages were 17 on the road. making his average 17% less than the total posted.


5 dimes dwight howard over under 39.5 points and rebounds, his average is 35.

Its up to the player to decide if these lines have value on these prop bets that the books create. books try to draw action with lines how is this different?

Lebron averaged 44.5 on the road this year meaning the 37 posted was 17% lower than his average, and this isn't accounting for less points in a playoff game. that 17% is the same that the greek moved the line to -188 on the above nelson prop, please verify for me.

lebron is playing well, i saw the line and bet it, so i have made the comparisons to other props that are being honored at books owned by the same people.

so i ask, am i in the wrong?

You would have more of a case if they changed the line to + or - 3, not 10 though. At the very least they could have e-mailed you though with the deletion info. Maybe to busy rolling a spliff.

[gamble4heisman]

they did let me know that my play was deleted, i just happened to notice before they notified me.

[robmpink]

they did let me know that my play was deleted, i just happened to notice before they notified me.

Ok, they probably were already done rolling the spliff and had time to notify you.

[picantel]

I bet he takes it all back now. He woulda lost his bet. lol

[noyb]

it does annoy me when a book says it only wants "recreational players" (with every book having another definition of what that means), but does expect this casual just-for-fun kind of bettor to see the difference between a soft line and a bad line (and i'm not talking about the +1000 that should be -1000-kind of errors obviously).
you can't have it both ways. for that reason, i really think some books that do allow pro's should be "allowed" to void a bet like this, while other aren't. i don't use betjam myself, but as i understand it they want to be a recreational book, so they shouldn't have bitched about the bet imo.

[turnip]

it does annoy me when a book says it only wants "recreational players" (with every book having another definition of what that means), but does expect this casual just-for-fun kind of bettor to see the difference between a soft line and a bad line (and i'm not talking about the +1000 that should be -1000-kind of errors obviously).
you can't have it both ways. for that reason, i really think some books that do allow pro's should be "allowed" to void a bet like this, while other aren't. i don't use betjam myself, but as i understand it they want to be a recreational book, so they shouldn't have bitched about the bet imo.

I understand what you are saying, and since this is a prop, and no one here is a moron, what I'm about to say doesn't really apply to this situation:

For bad lines in general, sites like SBR have provided excellent free lines services that even morons can use. If one of these morons sees a different line everywhere else, he/she can surely still grasp the value of the bad line. It is my opinion that the "recreational" bettor is more likely to take a blatant shot at the bad line than the "professional," who knows he/she will just be tying money up in a soon-to-be-voided bet.

[jstblaze]

opinion of a recreational gambler...

i bet alot, but very recreationally. i bet small amounts, 50 bucks on 5-10 different plays in a night.

from my opinion, when placing that bet on 37 o/u for Lebron, I wouldnt have known it was a bad line.

I follow the NBA very closely, and i saw everyone quoting Lebrons stats for the season, and can see obviously how the line was way different than averages.

But...

In the end, I wouldnt have know it was bad line. I always assuem the books have more information than I do in capping a game or a prop bet.

I would have looked at the line, and maybe even not taken it because I couldnt beleive how low it was. My first instinct would not be that the line was bad, and that my bet will be cancelled.

I just would have assumed the book had some stats or player or injury information, like "Lebron has flu symptoms" or something liek that that was not made available yet to me, and my limited resources.

i know i should obviously do more research, so I know if a line is bad or soft, but just saying that I wouldnt think the line was bad when i bet it. I would have just thought that my simple numbers and assumptions I am using the bet teh game, just havent factored in some important information or some trend.

not every recreational player is out to take advantage of bad lien shwne they bet them.

[gamble4heisman]

i bet alot, but very recreationally. i bet small amounts, 50 bucks on 5-10 different plays in a night.

from my opinion, when placing that bet on 37 o/u for Lebron, I wouldnt have known it was a bad line.

I follow the NBA very closely, and i saw everyone quoting Lebrons stats for the season, and can see obviously how the line was way different than averages.

But...

In the end, I wouldnt have know it was bad line. I always assuem the books have more information than I do in capping a game or a prop bet.

I would have looked at the line, and maybe even not taken it because I couldnt beleive how low it was. My first instinct would not be that the line was bad, and that my bet will be cancelled.

I just would have assumed the book had some stats or player or injury information, like "Lebron has flu symptoms" or something liek that that was not made available yet to me, and my limited resources.

i know i should obviously do more research, so I know if a line is bad or soft, but just saying that I wouldnt think the line was bad when i bet it. I would have just thought that my simple numbers and assumptions I am using the bet teh game, just havent factored in some important information or some trend.

not every recreational player is out to take advantage of bad lien shwne they bet them.

I agree totally. the fact that the bet would have lost just reinforces the fact that a book could have been playing an angle and was begging for money on the over.

The fact that my bet would have lost has no relevance to me. I lost perceived value, i'd make the bet again. the fact is they cancelled it on a line they created when the action got to hot, instead of adjusting the total or the juice as other books do on a nightly basis on prop bets.

thanks for the input, i'm up for discussing this further. as the other poster mentioned, i am a recreational better putting a few thousand in action per week or so. nothing huge, but a good customer none the less. i'm not going to say i don't like to win, but my max bet is probably 300-500$. it also surprised me that a A+ book like BetJam would cancel on a prop bet that they set the line for that i wagered 287 to win 250 on, not exactly a big hit on their bottom line.

[beetman]

Canceling a play at +150 when every book in the world has +100 is one thing, but prop wagers are that far off all the time. There have been plenty of times I've played something at the Greek at -115 or so and the line eventually moved to -300, and they let it stand. Canceling a prop wager for a peanut sized bet is pretty indicative of a shit book.

[gamble4heisman]

A little epilogue to this original story. FYI the same book, BJ has James points rebounds and assists set at 37 again tonite, so i wasn't crazy that that line was not that far off for a road playoff game.

Also, BJ has bryant toight, pts. rebs, assists set at 48.5 which is 10 above his season average. bet jamaica made these lines and is taking action.

My bet, original thread post, though it ended up a loser should have been honored.

[JBC77]

A little epilogue to this original story. FYI the same book, BJ has James points rebounds and assists set at 37 again tonite, so i wasn't crazy that that line was not that far off for a road playoff game.

Also, BJ has bryant toight, pts. rebs, assists set at 48.5 which is 10 above his season average. bet jamaica made these lines and is taking action.

My bet, original thread post, though it ended up a loser should have been honored.

If what you say is true, I agree with you.They do seem to be acting a bit shady here........