Forum rumor - Matchbook will withdraw from USA today.

[KGambler]

You're a legend in your own mind.

Good thing the money is real!

[KGambler]

Why is it so hard for people to be objective about MB? It is neither perfect nor terrible. What about MB mades most posters in this thread take one of those two sides?

How about some facts.....

Their deposit and withdrawal options are terrible. Almost unworkable. Ridiculous to expect that recreational gamblers are going to accept that the only real way to deposit and withdraw are through B to B transfers.

Their liquidity has gone down over the last several years. While the markets have their ups and downs, overall - there is no comparison to what it once was.

Most of MB's advantages can only be taken advantage of on game day, even close to game time. This doesn't fit every gamblers desired process.

No parlays, teasers, or exotics.

Software that is unfriendly, sticky, and lacks several basic features that would greatly help users and market liquidity.

At least some of the time (if not most of the time), the lowest juice you can find on large market sports.

No limits, and winners dont get booted.

A tremendous history of paying out.

If you are ignoring MB as a potential out, you are missing out. If MB is your only out, you are missing out. MB should be part of your arsenal, not your whole arsenal. If you can find a workaround for the current deposit / withdrawal issues, and you have patience, you can often wager at lower juice than you can at most other outs, for more money than at most other outs.

Simple. Maybe it would help if Fishhead acknowledged the cons, and guys like Durito acknowledged the pros. It aint all black and white.

Good post. I, for one, have never denied the cons associated with MB.

[KGambler]

pinnacle/cris/Greek have taken action for 20+ hours ironing out the lines allowing all value to be extracted from the market, this makes the market extremely efficient prior to game time.

No it doesn't. At least not for ALL lines.

Just because you believe in the efficient market theory, that doesn't make it true.

[KGambler]

You know how to handicap yet you arb with square books. Ok Hoss.

Notice the incredible ignorance of these arguments...

1. The markets are highly efficient close to game time

2. Hedging against a square line by betting the market line on the other side, close to game time, is a bad strategy.

These two ideas are not even logically consistent.

[skrtelfan]

Notice the incredible ignorance of these arguments...

1. The markets are highly efficient close to game time

2. Hedging against a square line by betting the market line on the other side, close to game time, is a bad strategy.

These two ideas are not even logically consistent.

When did I say "markets are highly efficient close to game time?" You and Fishhead seem to have me confused with someone else. I do bet at Matchbook, and sometimes close to game time.

Actually, my biggest personal complaint with Matchbook liquidity, which I've mentioned multiple times, is that I'll put up soccer offers in large leagues like the EPL, sometimes only trying to match a nickel, and even though my offer is 2 or 3 cents better than Betfair's pre-commission line, better than Pinnacle, the major Asian booksetc., I sometimes still can't even match my nickel. Clearly I am not too scared of markets being highly efficient close to game time if I'm trying to match a bet at a price better than the big boys.

[KGambler]

When did I say "markets are highly efficient close to game time?" You and Fishhead seem to have me confused with someone else. I do bet at Matchbook, and sometimes close to game time.

Actually, my biggest personal complaint with Matchbook liquidity, which I've mentioned multiple times, is that I'll put up soccer offers in large leagues like the EPL, sometimes only trying to match a nickel, and even though my offer is 2 or 3 cents better than Betfair's pre-commission line, better than Pinnacle, the major Asian booksetc., I sometimes still can't even match my nickel. Clearly I am not too scared of markets being highly efficient close to game time if I'm trying to match a bet at a price better than the big boys.

I have only checked it out a few times, but I am under the impression that the liquidity for soccer at MB is terrible. I can't disagree with you on that one. I doubt anyone would.

[skrtelfan]

Why is it so hard for people to be objective about MB? It is neither perfect nor terrible. What about MB mades most posters in this thread take one of those two sides?

When you have Matchbook shills like Fishhead who will label you as "constantly bashing Matchbook" for raising legitimate criticism, it tends to polarize the conversation.

All of the good things you mention about Matchbook are old news, for the most part. Aside from the introduction of handicap lines in the larger soccer leagues and the addition of 3 way lines in some smaller leagues, I can't think of an improvement Matchbook has made in the last 12-18 months. And many Matchbook users are clearly not interested in soccer, as I mentioned my issues above with having bets matched. But many of the negatives you mention are relatively new while the positives are old. Not much of a point in discussing "no limits and winners don't get booted" since that's been the case since day 1 of Matchbook in 2005 or 2006.

[Fishhead]

Gawd, I love MB for soccer.

Lots of intriging games today all around the globe...........very nice matchups in the Spanish La Liga.

[Bill Dozer]

We spoke to management this morning. No truth to this rumor and no plans to leave any markets they are currently in.

The only pending change is the sale from WSEX, which has not yet happened.

It looks like the rumor was indeed true. They will be pulling out of the US as soon as tonight.

Apologies for relaying what seems to be misleading information at a time when shutting down the US market makers added weight to the rumor. With this change, MB will announce the separation with WSEX in principal. As they cashout the majority of their clients, it will be telling.

[todd73nj]

It looks like the rumor was indeed true. They will be pulling out of the US as soon as tonight.

Apologies for relaying what seems to be misleading information at a time when shutting down the US market makers added weight to the rumor. With this change, MB will announce the separation with WSEX in principal. As they cashout the majority of their clients, it will be telling.

No apology needed. With all the changes they have made recently, and the reasons they have given for them - shows their credibility. What they told you - and what their actions were saying were two different things.

[HedgeHog]

Good thing the money is real!

Was real.

[sportsfrance]

Clown

How about an apology now. It is always they guys like you who doubt the truth. The let it go one more week. You really think any of these books give FORUMS any real information until after the fact. When they need them to get the word out they will give info. This dozer kid is a nobody to any of these books. He is just an affiliate link who will get info late.


Credit is gone. MB is done. These english guys are nuts to think that in a few weeks the asian market will make up for the US sports. Just nuts.


good day chaps

[sportsfrance]

And WSEX should just shut down. nothing but thieves now with MB turning there back officially.

[fedex11204]

Matchbook seems to be business as usual on my Ipod

I can obviously access the website and can place wagers without any problems or restrictions and Yes I live in the great City that never sleeps which is located in the bad USA.

[andywend]

This OP is lying unless his MB account is registered in a country outside of the U.S.

Why post this crap?

[RichardGeorge]

FWIW i can go on too and place wagers... i tried it for a dollar and it worked... not sure what that means but w/e

[ucbearcats1027]

yeah man im still up and running

[fedex11204]

it figures some one that has a free Palestine as his avatar would be a dumbass

[HedgeHog]

Surprisingly, I was able to make offers this morning--but not anymore.

[fedex11204]

Oops sorry wrong guy but that free palestine is bs just saying.

[fedex11204]

Hede if you have an Ipod try it there it works aok .

[chemicalbrother]

this could get interesting..

[biggie12]

time to move to canada boys... your missing out......... Pinny mb and tons more.

[fedex11204]

Still working on my Ipod and able to place a wager

[HedgeHog]

How's your liquidity tonight, KGambler?

[Pareto]

Liquidity doesnt seem to have changed much. Its not great. But it wasnt great yesterday either.

[HedgeHog]

Still working on my Ipod and able to place a wager

Requested my balance already and don't want to alter the amount. BTW, you do know the clock is ticking, you need to request your funds in the next 30 days or so.

[9XL]

There is a noticeable difference in liquidity. It looks like the NBA market is seeded with about $5k on both sides with 8-9c spreads. There is a lack of large ($10-$30k +) offers that would show up on MB within an hour or two of game time. I assume these were MB's large credit players that were also shut down.

[9XL]

Still a good amount money on NBA halftime sides though...

[33therizla]

matchbook is working,

live games up and running.

[33therizla]

matchbook still working from USA

live games are going on Matchbook and available for betting again..

they closed the nba live games last night


why is villanova at notre dame live and playable..???

[yisman]

Last night,(as ususal), one could have got action down on some halftimes for at least $20,000+ on a few NBA halftimes..............oh, and gusse what, here it is Tuesday morning and U.S. clients are still making and accepting offers. Rumors had them shutting off U.S. clients at midnight lastnight, this according to numerous unreliable sources.

FishheadFail.

[jjgold]

There are a select few big credit players still playing at matchbook from usa

[wtf]

fh is a buffoon

any modicum of credibility he did have is now rightfully gone

[yisman]

I think it's disgraceful that MATCHBOOK didn't inform its employees that they were pulling out of the USA market and essentially committing suicide. For example, FISHHEAD continued to insist that MATCHBOOK would remain in the market.

Certainly should be........should be many deposits coming into MB heading into MARCH MADNESS/BASEBALL

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MATCHBOOK is a must out for the U.S. based punter.......

No.